Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb

[Kocak]

I haven't watched the video clip yet but I'm excited for a new live release. I really hope there is more focus on other band members other than SW. My biggest complaint with Arriving Somewhere is that you'd often hear Gavin, or Colin, or Richard doing something cool and the camera was fixed on Steven.

I watched the live video before reading your post. The camera isn't fixed on SW but the two live members are almost excluded from the video. When the camera is on them, the angles are really odd. Actually, watching it again now, I find all the camera angles to be odd.

[Samsara]

The video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pavnAi7lNk

That looked and sounded great. I really wished artists would start selling the physical 4k discs. The youtube video is already available in 4k, why not just reprint that too?

Same.

[KevShmev]

The grainy effect makes watching Arriving Somewhere... a little irksome, although it is still really good.

I dig the look of the Harridan clip they released, so this could be their best one yet; this looks to be the best stage production they have ever had.  It won't bother me if the non-members of the band aren't shown very much; a Porcupine Tree live video is naturally going to show the members of Porcupine Tree the most.

[jammindude]

I always thought that the grainy effect made it feel a lot more like a concert film. Like the ones that they used to release in theaters for midnight showings.  I know that it was an idea born out of bad lighting at the show, but I think it ended up being a brilliant artistic idea.

[ErHaO]

I think the clip looks and sounds great. Stage production was good. At Ziggo Dome itself I did wish they had extra screens on the sides, the size of the venue is in that range. But on this release that doesn't really matter.

[Fritzinger]

It puzzles me that DT are being criticized for doing shows with a click track, but SW has been doing it for years and no one complains 

Anyway this video looks and sounds awesome, so I'll probably order the 4LP set and the bluray. This will be expensive again, but ah well.

[Nick]

It puzzles me that DT are being criticized for doing shows with a click track, but SW has been doing it for years and no one complains 

I'm generally against a click, but it's all about how you react to it.

On one end of the spectrum is a band I love dearly, Haken, but are a perfect example of how not to use a click track. They present amazing music live, and it sounds great, but visually it can too often look like, Ross aside, they've gone from practicing at home to the click to practicing at their one spot on stage to the click. On the other end you have something like Ayreon that needs a click for a lot of reasons, but everyone is so engaging (speaking just of the band, not necessarily all the singers) you don't notice or care.

IMO the reason DT gets rightfully criticized for the click is because they lost a key live member, moved to the click, and their show as a result slid too far to the Haken end of that spectrum.

[jammindude]

It puzzles me that DT are being criticized for doing shows with a click track, but SW has been doing it for years and no one complains 

I'm generally against a click, but it's all about how you react to it.

On one end of the spectrum is a band I love dearly, Haken, but are a perfect example of how not to use a click track. They present amazing music live, and it sounds great, but visually it can too often look like, Ross aside, they've gone from practicing at home to the click to practicing at their one spot on stage to the click. On the other end you have something like Ayreon that needs a click for a lot of reasons, but everyone is so engaging (speaking just of the band, not necessarily all the singers) you don't notice or care.

IMO the reason DT gets rightfully criticized for the click is because they lost a key live member, moved to the click, and their show as a result slid too far to the Haken end of that spectrum.

+1 to all of this.

[countoftuscany42]

Anyone have an idea when preorders for this might show up on LaserCD? Hoping to save on shipping by ordering from them, but seeing some versions sell out makes me not want to wait too long and possibly miss out

[The Letter M]

Anyone have an idea when preorders for this might show up on LaserCD? Hoping to save on shipping by ordering from them, but seeing some versions sell out makes me not want to wait too long and possibly miss out

At this rate, I'm not sure they'll even carry it. I've looked and looked but it's been over a week and no sign of C/C Live on there. The deluxe CD/BD set is sold out on Burning Shed so I'm glad I got my order in on day one because if no NA distributors carry it, it'll probably be overpriced on the secondary market for a long time.

-Marc.

[faizoff]

Really weird how I'm only seeing the sets on Burning Shed and PT's site. It was the same with Steven Wilson's new release.

Do they not want more people to buy this?

[The Letter M]

Really weird how I'm only seeing the sets on Burning Shed and PT's site. It was the same with Steven Wilson's new release.

Do they not want more people to buy this?

Exclusivity clauses, perhaps? Are they self-published and released on smaller labels? Or maybe it's an artificial scarcity tactic to drive up sales by selling them in limited numbers? If they sell out and there's demand for more, maybe more will be printed.

-Marc.

[PMSummer]

I don't think I've chimed in here before, so here goes. Just wanted to share my love for this incredible band. Fear of a Blank Planet and Lightbulb Sun are hands down my favorite albums – I can never get enough of them. That said I enjoy almost all their stuff (On the Sunday of Life is a bit too out there though).

Caught them on their last tour, and wow, what an experience! The energy, the great setlist, the nostalgia – mind-blowing. So, when I heard they're dropping a live album from that tour, needless to say, I'm psyched! Can't wait to relive those epic moments.

[faizoff]

Not sure about exclusivity, I mean some of the sets for Harmony Codex are still listed as sold out/out of stock and don't seem to be anywhere else. I think it was at some book signing that SW signed one of the sets for Codex and told the guy, good that you grabbed one of these as that is it.

[ProfessorPeart]

Ken over at Laser updated on this. He said it is direct to consumer and the best he will be able to do is hopefully get the BD/DVD set by release day. Everything else is exclusive to either Burning Shed or PT's store. I want the CD/BD set but that is pricey and already sold out at Burning Shed.

Odd sales strategy here.

Yeah, $95 with shipping for the CD/BD set from PT. Don't think so.

[faizoff]

Truly weird decision. I'm guessing they get to keep more of the margins this way? Not sure why it's limited to the blu-ray sets.

[gazinwales]

$160AU for the BR/CD set, a little on the steep side for me.

[Kocak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDED9oB0Rc

Fear of a Blank Planet live.

I criticised the Harridan live video for the crap edit, they had acted like there were 3 people on that stage with really weird angles. The edit on this track seems a lot better than the Harridan video. Amazing performance as always.

[Kwyjibo]

Do I see this right? You can't get audio only cds but you can stream it on spotify for free?

Dear Steven, if you don't want my money, just say so.

[TheHoveringSojourn808]

i'm listening to it, it sounds great

[faizoff]

I didn't even realize that there are no CD only options. There must be some metrics into how they decide what combos to make available. The availability of some of these combos being restricted to only one or two sites are head scratching.

My boxset just landed in NY probably getting it sometime next week.

[ProfessorPeart]

Tell me about it. I simply forgot about it. I would have made a run at the big set but with the shipping it's just a non-starter. They lost a sale, unless something changes.

[Fonzie]

Absolutely perverse. This is one of those occasions where you think, ‘f*** it. F*** Wilson’. It’s not like you could ever own all of his stuff, and it’s not like there aren’t a lot of other things to spend yer money on at this time of year. This would have been an automatic purchase, but fg5* it, I’ll spend the money on a Zappa box.

[KevShmev]

Eh, it was probably a wise decision.  Releasing a physical copy for the 19 people left in the world who will still buy a live CD is probably not cost effective.

[ReaperKK]

Eh, it was probably a wise decision.  Releasing a physical copy for the 19 people left in the world who will still buy a live CD is probably not cost effective.

I agree, I think selling a vinyl (haven't checked if they are selling one) makes a lot more sense.

[ErHaO]

It sucks, but ultimately it is consumer behaviour that causes this. CD sales aren't good in most areas of the world, which is why regular releases are disappearing. Same goes for videogames and films, some major releases don't get a physical version anymore. If it was making them tons of money, any company would still release it that way.

That said, vinyls absolutely sell (though I wonder at what point there is market saturation) but also seems exclusive to their store.

Live album is great btw!

[Fonzie]

Eh, it was probably a wise decision.  Releasing a physical copy for the 19 people left in the world who will still buy a live CD is probably not cost effective.

Well, they did release cd copies, albeit part of a set that became unavailable weeks before its release date. That speaks of plenty of demand to me

[ErHaO]

Eh, it was probably a wise decision.  Releasing a physical copy for the 19 people left in the world who will still buy a live CD is probably not cost effective.

Well, they did release cd copies, albeit part of a set that became unavailable weeks before its release date. That speaks of plenty of demand to me

As far as I am aware that set can still be ordered though?

I do think it sucks for CD collectors. And offcourse the set should have gotten some form of international release, as shipping these days is just ridiculously expensive (even moreso from the UK since Brexit went into effect).

I also think CDs should be added to vinyl releases. That used to be somewhat common for a brief period of time (2010-2015 I'd say).

[Fonzie]

Eh, it was probably a wise decision.  Releasing a physical copy for the 19 people left in the world who will still buy a live CD is probably not cost effective.

Well, they did release cd copies, albeit part of a set that became unavailable weeks before its release date. That speaks of plenty of demand to me

As far as I am aware that set can still be ordered though?

I do think it sucks for CD collectors. And offcourse the set should have gotten some form of international release, as shipping these days is just ridiculously expensive (even moreso from the UK since Brexit went into effect).

I also think CDs should be added to vinyl releases. That used to be somewhat common for a brief period of time (2010-2015 I'd say).

Unavailable in Burning Shed, the go-to for PT stuff.
If anyone has links to other places with copies available, I’d be grateful!

[Kwyjibo]

The official website has a blue ray/cd bundle for 58 euros. And if that is not expensive enough, shipping to Germany would be another 29 euros. So no, not gonna spend that amount of money where I would view the blue ray maybe once.

It's just strange that someone like SW, who condems streaming in every second sentence, doesn't offer a viable alternative.

[Zantera]

The official website has a blue ray/cd bundle for 58 euros. And if that is not expensive enough, shipping to Germany would be another 29 euros. So no, not gonna spend that amount of money where I would view the blue ray maybe once.

It's just strange that someone like SW, who condems streaming in every second sentence, doesn't offer a viable alternative.

I stopped ordering from Burning Shed a while ago because even though you get quality, it is really expensive and with shipping it gets even crazier. It shouldn't be cheaper to order from half across the world compared to within Europe but sadly it is sometimes. As much as I'm a fan of SW (and his projects) I kinda had to take a step back as a collector and just get the essentials and don't pressure myself to own everything. He just releases too much and also puts out a box set for everything these days. If SW is your own musical god and you want everything - that's great. If you also have a jungle of other bands you love as much (or more) then it gets increasingly expensive to be a fan these days.

[romdrums]

I think it’s appropriate they call themselves Burning Shed because ordering from them is like lighting your money on fire.

[ErHaO]

This is honestly the case for almost all UK stores except for amazon. Pre-Brexit I ordered from the UK a lot, these days only Amazon is still affordable.

But while the UK is typically the worst, shipping these days has become extremely expensive. I think the stores that were cheaper had or have contracts with a set rate for a certain period of time. More and more companies are getting expensive. I have three examples of similar shipping costs in EU countries: CD Projekt merch from Poland, Square Enix store from France, and Larian in Belgium (?). All 20 euros or higher to the Netherlands. UK unfortunately has VAT on top of it due to Brexit (which is 21% where I live).

(all of this from EU perspective offcourse).

[nobloodyname]

Can confirm Burning Shed's shipping is horribly expensive even if you live IN the UK.

[gazinwales]

IMO BS prices are very reasonable and for living in AU, I don't pay any VAT at all, so prices are less 20%.
Shipping is okay, I have no idea if it's really that expensive.
An example is THC deluxe boxset from BS shipping 21.50UKP, the PT CD/BR deluxe is 31.50UKP from official PT store.