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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1225 on: January 06, 2013, 12:35:52 AM »
Fear of a Blank Planet
The Sky Moves Sideways
In Absentia
Stupid Dream
Up the Downstair
Signify
Deadwing
Lightbulb Sun
The Incident

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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1226 on: January 06, 2013, 12:41:46 AM »
Ranking PT albums is so difficult because it's always changing depending on the last one I've heard, but I think I have their grouping pretty clear now and I doubt that's going to change much:

Fear of a Blank Planet
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Signify
Deadwing
Stupid Dream
In Absentia
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Lightbulb Sun
The Sky Moves Sideways
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The Incident
Up the Downstair
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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1227 on: January 06, 2013, 02:19:42 AM »
Fear of a Blank Planet
Signify
Deadwing
Stupid Dream
Lightbulb Sun
Up the Downstair
The Sky Moves Sideways
In Absentia
The Incident
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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1228 on: January 06, 2013, 12:32:10 PM »
5 & 6 are essentially tied.

1. In Absentia
2. Lightbulb Sun
3. Deadwing
4. Stupid Dream
5. Signify
6. Fear of a Blank Planet
7. The Incident
8. The Sky Moves Sideways
9. Up The Downstairs

Still need to get the debut and Voyage 34.

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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1229 on: January 27, 2013, 11:12:48 PM »
I'm trying to get into PT. I really like Lazarus. I haven't really listened to anything else. Any ideas?

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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1230 on: January 27, 2013, 11:36:12 PM »
you've only listened to the song "Lazarus"?  Or have you listened to the album Deadwing and that was the only song you really like?
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« Reply #1231 on: January 28, 2013, 12:07:15 AM »
If you have only listened to Lazarus, then the whole Deadwing album should be your next stop.
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« Reply #1232 on: January 28, 2013, 08:29:20 AM »
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« Reply #1233 on: January 28, 2013, 08:30:11 AM »
Alright, thanks, I'll check out the rest of Deadwing.  :tup

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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1234 on: January 28, 2013, 09:31:30 AM »
Try In Absentia after that - it's basically the quintessential PT album (although I prefer Fear of a Blank Planet and The Sky Moves Sideways).

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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1235 on: January 28, 2013, 09:38:22 AM »
I found it interesting in a recent interview with SW that he wasn't that happy with neither Lightbulb Sun or Deadwing in retrospect, considering how popular they are among most fans.

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« Reply #1236 on: January 28, 2013, 09:43:31 AM »
Link? That sounds interesting... He's unhappy with them because they are so popular among the fans?

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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1237 on: January 28, 2013, 09:45:43 AM »
Those 2 are among my least favorites so it's good to know that Steven shares my opinion :biggrin: Both suffer from including too much filler (How is Your Life Today?, The Rest Will Flow, Shallow, Glass Arm Shattering, etc. - the list goes on) and kind of falling in between 2 masterpieces (SD and IA for LBS, IA and Fear in DW's case). Kind of funny actually, my favorite PT albums are all odd-numbered: FOABP (9), TSMS (3), IA (7), SD (5).

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« Reply #1238 on: January 28, 2013, 09:48:17 AM »
Oh no, he was more disappointed with them because he found them a bit "patchy".

"I remember thinking that ‘Stupid Dream’ was really good when we did it. I think that I’ve always felt that every other one was good. ‘Stupid Dream’ was great, ‘Lightbulb Sun’ wasn’t; ‘In Absentia’ was great, ‘Deadwing’ was patchy; ‘Fear of a Blank Planet’ was great, ‘The Incident’ wasn’t. It’s like every other album was a step forward."

https://www.examiner.com/article/steven-wilson-reflects-on-his-incredible-career

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« Reply #1239 on: January 28, 2013, 10:22:14 AM »
That's a very interesting interview. I was particularly thrilled by his hate-tolerate approach to his own songs and records.
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« Reply #1240 on: January 28, 2013, 10:24:04 AM »
I was surprised by that as well, being that Deadwing and Lightbulb sun are my favorite Porcupine tree albums.

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« Reply #1241 on: January 28, 2013, 10:26:08 AM »
Great interview.  His view towards his own music is fascinating; you can tell he is not one of those artists who listens to his own music for enjoyment, which explains why he has a hard time remembering some of it and whatnot. 

I think his comments about Deadwing and Lightbulb Sun somewhat stem from there being specific tracks from each that he has panned before.  I know he viewed Shallow as an attempt to write a "big, dumb American rock song," and I remember all of the band not liking The Rest Will Flow, but it making LBS because the record company thought it had hit potential.

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« Reply #1242 on: January 28, 2013, 10:29:29 AM »
I'm a bit sad that he failed to mention TSMS there. I was curious to know his stance on my second-or-favourite PT album.
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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1243 on: January 28, 2013, 10:33:23 AM »
I'm a bit sad that he failed to mention TSMS there. I was curious to know his stance on my second-or-favourite PT album.
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Too bad he thinks that way, because I don't think the similarities to PF are THAT notable, and it's an awesome album.

EDIT: A newer quote from https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/interviews/interviews/steven_wilson_porcupine_tree_was_gonna_be_a_one-off_thing.html
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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1244 on: January 28, 2013, 10:51:13 AM »
Nice article. I do agree, though, with his ranking of FOABP, IA, and SD above LS, Deadwing, and TI.
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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1245 on: January 28, 2013, 11:15:22 AM »
It doesn't bother me if TSMS might sound a bit Pink Floyd-ish, but it does bother me slightly more on Voyage 34. I mean the song is not bad or anything, but as soon as it starts (the main guitar) I can't think about anything else but "Run Like Hell".  :lol

Also, there doesn't really seem to be any big news regarding PT. I know they have always talked about getting together again, but it seems like SW doesn't really know where to go with PT, and he has all these ideas for his solo project, so I think unless he comes up with something really interesting, that he's very passionate about for a new PT, we might not get a new PT album in the nearest future.

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« Reply #1246 on: January 28, 2013, 11:23:02 AM »
I'm just happy knowing that Wilson knows that TI sucks. I mean, I hope he was just being easy on himself in saying it 'wasn't great'. Yeah. Definitely not great. At all. In any way.

This same topic comes up every few pages and it's always a carbon copy... There is definitely no PT coming for the foreseeable future. No talks. No get-togethers. Not even a hint of information. But it will come; it's just going to be a while. He definitely does not know (or didn't by the time Raven was being written) where they're headed with PT. Maybe another couple years even. I wouldn't be surprised if after this next tour, Wilson takes a break from all things music. He deserves it (although right now he seems to be enjoying it as much as a vacation). He's leaving time for something new; fresh; inspired; great. With his new solo material, I've all but forgotten current-gen PT. Hopefully he can resurrect it after his solo bonanza. Even so, if 'PT' just became 'Wilson', I can't say I'd be all that disappointed with great exception to the fact that the other extremely talented members wouldn't be in on it; they're worth coming back for. I have a nudging feeling though that with all the guys doing their own thing that when they do inevitably sit down to either talk about their future or just write/play, something incredible will happen. Whether it's incredibly good or incredibly bad remains to be seen...
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« Reply #1247 on: January 28, 2013, 11:26:44 AM »
Interesting that he was outvoted on the release of Octane Twisted.
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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1248 on: January 28, 2013, 11:41:16 AM »
Personally I don't think it was that great. I mean I can totally see his view, soundwise it's miles away from Anesthetize or Arriving Somewhere for example, those two sound much better. The setlist is what makes it fairly cool I guess. I'm not the biggest Incident-fan, but having the whole thing live is kinda cool, and some of the CD2-songs are nice as well. It's a solid album but not breathtaking like previous live albums have been.

Regarding a new PT, I hope it comes together. I would be alright with more SW stuff since I think his solo albums are his best work, but PT does have a lot of magic to them, and a new album would make me happy. Personally I feel like SW shares my opinion on the Incident, in the sense that it was the first PT album that didn't really drive the sound forward. It had bits and pieces we recognized from previous PT-albums, but not really "fresh" in the same way.

I would love a more melodic and catchy album. SW has really showed us that many of his best songs are the calmer ones, like "The Raven That Refused to Sing" or "Deform to Form a Star", and as much as I love what he's doing, more songs in that spirit would be amazing. Focus on melodies and a catchy chorus, I wouldn't mind PT doing something more electronic but with acoustic guitars, something vibrant and airy. Maybe they will just announce one day that they're working on a new album, who knows?  :hat


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Re: Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb
« Reply #1249 on: January 28, 2013, 12:47:39 PM »
Two thoughts that this page has left me with:

1) We always judge albums as though they were created 100% as the author had envisioned them in his head, with no obstacles and out of 100% burning desire to do it, and honest interviews just prove maybe half of all music is made that way, and that still doesn't guarantee it will be good.

2) Honestly, if I were a real PT fan (a really casual one at the moment), I wouldn't be mad at Wilson for blazing his own trail. He obviously doesn't have any ideas for PT now so would you rather have him make his own music or no music at all? That, and I really hate it when bands turn into artist solo projects. It's like Pain Of Salvation, music is being made under the Pain Of Salvation name but we know it's Daniel-music. It barely has what made them unique, and people declaring they are PoS fans usually follow with a long discourse of their level of like and dislike for the "new" stuff because such dichotomy alienates fans. I like the Road Salts but I would feel much more comfortable with them if they were DG's solo project and if PoS still existed, even if disbanded, as a band entity that once made their own stuff. Not as Daniel and a bunch of dudes whose names and playing styles I barely get to learn before they're replaced with other dudes.

And, you know, PT still does exist so in some years SW might return to them, unlike PoS, where Johan and Kristoffer before all them and Fredrik weren't motivated to stay in the band anymore because it's barely a real band. That's a paradoxal situation - a band which isn't putting out any more albums exists as an entity, and an active band doesn't, but that's how I see it in my head.

tl;dr an artist should always make the music they feel like making, with no constraints, and if they can't find a place for it within the band, they should take it out of the band. That, and there is just so much in a name...
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« Reply #1250 on: January 28, 2013, 01:05:12 PM »
"I regret the decisions made on TSMS because it sounded too much like old Floyd/psychadelic albums."
*goes on to make a solo album that sounds too much like old prog he grew up with*

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I mean they also don't think of LBS as one of their better albums, they can think whatever they want of it.  Long as they take out a few of those songs out for the tour.  ;)

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« Reply #1251 on: January 28, 2013, 01:29:17 PM »
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« Reply #1252 on: January 30, 2013, 05:23:43 PM »
Eh, I like The Incident.
"Not as good as some of their other albums" doesn't have to automatically equal "terrible". I know this may be shocking, but there is a middle ground.

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« Reply #1253 on: January 30, 2013, 05:28:04 PM »
Obviously there is a middle ground, but I think that as a musician, if you consider one album to not be on par with previous albums, you would consider it a disappointment.

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« Reply #1254 on: January 30, 2013, 06:18:09 PM »
Awesome interview, although I only skimmed the end. Will read the rest later.

I tend to agree with Steven that Stupid Dream > Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia > Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet > The Incident. I would put SD, IA, and FOABP on my Mount Rushmore of Porcupine Tree albums along with probably Lightbulb Sun.
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« Reply #1255 on: January 30, 2013, 08:07:32 PM »
Deadwing should be locked away in a military grade bomb shelter for future generations to discover and reflect upon its greatness. Just sayin'.
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« Reply #1256 on: January 30, 2013, 11:39:21 PM »
Deadwing should be locked away in a military grade bomb shelter for future generations to discover and reflect upon its greatness. Just sayin'.

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« Reply #1257 on: January 31, 2013, 01:15:51 AM »
Deadwing should be locked away in a military grade bomb shelter for future generations to discover and reflect upon its greatness. Just sayin'.
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« Reply #1258 on: January 31, 2013, 05:55:03 AM »
Deadwing should be locked away in a military grade bomb shelter for future generations to discover and reflect upon its greatness. Just sayin'.

I don't think I'll ever get the appeal of Deadwing, however it does have two of my favorite PT songs "Melltron" and "Glass Arm".

Mellotron Scratch was actually the first PT song I ever heard, so fucking good.

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« Reply #1259 on: January 31, 2013, 06:51:40 AM »
I tend to like Deadwing a little bit more than In Absentia (and way less than FOABP), but I don't really like either of the two. They both have very cool songs, but they never managed to blow me away, on any listen.
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