Porcupine Tree v. Glarung is a Lightbulb

[King Postwhore]

Just watched a couple of videos of that Nate Navarro chap, and it seems like PT is going to be kind of boring for him.

He is amazing.   I think this is big cred for him like playing with Devin Townsend for a tour.  Builds his cred. 

[El Barto]

Just watched a couple of videos of that Nate Navarro chap, and it seems like PT is going to be kind of boring for him.

He is amazing.   I think this is big cred for him like playing with Devin Townsend for a tour.  Builds his cred.

Oh, I've no doubt it's good for him. I'm just not sure he makes a ton of sense for PT. With all due respect to Colin, I'm a big fan, this kind of seems like hiring Terry Bozio to replace Scott Travis.

[King Postwhore]

Completely get that. Dud you know Terry Bozio played and toured for 1 album with The Knack?  Seriously. It's a good album.

https://youtu.be/PxxYC7a68WM

[The Letter M]

"Herd Culling (Single Edit)" has been released today. I'm not listening to it because the album is just a few weeks away and I kind of want to save it for then, but for those of you who want to hear it, it's out there now.

-Marc.

[Sacul]

Damn, it's really good, love the In Absentia vibes. That chorus . Am quite hyped for this album.

[Adami]

Felt a bit repetitive for me, but it was good.

[Buddyhunter1]

Felt a bit repetitive for me, but it was good.

Same, but it is an edit. Hopefully the full version is better.

I don't have much of the desire to listen to an edit and the full album is coming out really soon, so I don't think I'll be giving this a second listen before then.

[jammindude]

Anyone else getting a “I Might Be Wrong” (Radiohead) vibe from that riff?

https://youtu.be/8uN1Uq5lyv0

[KevShmev]

"Herd Culling (Single Edit)" has been released today. I'm not listening to it because the album is just a few weeks away and I kind of want to save it for then, but for those of you who want to hear it, it's out there now.

Same here.  Except for the first song that was released, which I listened to once, I am avoiding all new PT until the album is out.

The more reviews and comments I read, though, make me less and less excited.  The fact that it seems like most of these songs were written around the jams Wilson and Harrison did make me wary, as Harrison's natural tendency seems to be "hey, let's make it complex and technical," and that doesn't excite me.  Granted, Wilson can write a great melody around anything, but I hope this album isn't an excuse for Harrison to show off his crazy technical skills too much.

[King Postwhore]

"Herd Culling (Single Edit)" has been released today. I'm not listening to it because the album is just a few weeks away and I kind of want to save it for then, but for those of you who want to hear it, it's out there now.

Same here.  Except for the first song that was released, which I listened to once, I am avoiding all new PT until the album is out.

The more reviews and comments I read, though, make me less and less excited.  The fact that it seems like most of these songs were written around the jams Wilson and Harrison did make me wary, as Harrison's natural tendency seems to be "hey, let's make it complex and technical," and that doesn't excite me.  Granted, Wilson can write a great melody around anything, but I hope this album isn't an excuse for Harrison to show off his crazy technical skills too much.

Well, I've listened to the 3 songs and 2 of them he is not all over the place.  He is a bit reserved and subtle with his approach. Very tasty honesty.

[KevShmev]

"Herd Culling (Single Edit)" has been released today. I'm not listening to it because the album is just a few weeks away and I kind of want to save it for then, but for those of you who want to hear it, it's out there now.

Same here.  Except for the first song that was released, which I listened to once, I am avoiding all new PT until the album is out.

The more reviews and comments I read, though, make me less and less excited.  The fact that it seems like most of these songs were written around the jams Wilson and Harrison did make me wary, as Harrison's natural tendency seems to be "hey, let's make it complex and technical," and that doesn't excite me.  Granted, Wilson can write a great melody around anything, but I hope this album isn't an excuse for Harrison to show off his crazy technical skills too much.

Well, I've listened to the 3 songs and 2 of them he is not all over the place.  He is a bit reserved and subtle with his approach. Very tasty honesty.

That is good to hear! 

I will freely admit that Gavin Harrison has a bit of the Jordan Rudess factor for me in that he swings back and forth between amazing me and aggravating me with the overplaying.  And that is a "me" problem.

[Adami]

I’m watching Bill Nighy break down his famous roles and I realized this is Steven Wilson in 20 years.

[pfillion]

Great review of the new album:

https://metalwani.com/2022/05/review-porcupine-tree-closure-continuation.html

[nobloodyname]

From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."

Simply untrue.

[KevShmev]

From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."

Simply untrue.

Correct, but it is possible that the reviewer simply didn't see Barbieri's interview where he addressed it.

Positive review, yes, but it feels more like blogger's praise rather than a professional review.  He dedicated a paragraph to the second track and failed to even mention the name of the song, and then talked about skipping around.  Not a good flow to the review, but it sounds like the album will be a good one, so that is good to hear!

[jammindude]

From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."

Simply untrue.

What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.

[Xanthul]

From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."

Simply untrue.

What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.

The gist of it was that Steven and Gavin used to jam a lot together, him (Richard) had been sharing ideas with them remotely, when they put everything together Steven had already jammed the bass so they never saw the need to call Colin.

[Xanthul]

Interview with Richard Barbieri:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEa38RTC32c

Around the 15-minute mark or so, he directly addresses what happened with Colin and how it came to be just a 3-man unit this time around.

The interview in question is here jammindude

[Kwyjibo]

From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."

Simply untrue.

What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.

The gist of it was that Steven and Gavin used to jam a lot together, him (Richard) had been sharing ideas with them remotely, when they put everything together Steven had already jammed the bass so they never saw the need to call Colin.

They could have called him for the tour, did anyone say something why they hired someone else?

[ProfessorPeart]

From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."

Simply untrue.

What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.

The gist of it was that Steven and Gavin used to jam a lot together, him (Richard) had been sharing ideas with them remotely, when they put everything together Steven had already jammed the bass so they never saw the need to call Colin.

They could have called him for the tour, did anyone say something why they hired someone else?

Yeah, I'm not buying what they're selling. We're not going to call the guy that has been the bass player going on 30 years because SW did it himself during the demo process. We're just going to ignore him and act like he was never in the band.

[nobloodyname]

From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."

Simply untrue.

Correct, but it is possible that the reviewer simply didn't see Barbieri's interview where he addressed it.

It's in Steven's book, too (which I concede many will not have listened to/read).

[nobloodyname]

From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."

Simply untrue.

What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.

The gist of it was that Steven and Gavin used to jam a lot together, him (Richard) had been sharing ideas with them remotely, when they put everything together Steven had already jammed the bass so they never saw the need to call Colin.

They could have called him for the tour, did anyone say something why they hired someone else?

Yeah, I'm not buying what they're selling. We're not going to call the guy that has been the bass player going on 30 years because SW did it himself during the demo process. We're just going to ignore him and act like he was never in the band.

I think you're right but it doesn't matter if we're buying what they're selling or not. They've spoken about it, regardless, I was just addressing that point.

[Kram]

From that review: "A key member is missing though, bassist Colin Edwin, who had been in the band since 1993. As yet there is no explanation for his absence. Neither he nor the band has spoken about why he has not returned, which is more than a little puzzling."

Simply untrue.

What did Richard say? I haven’t seen it.

The gist of it was that Steven and Gavin used to jam a lot together, him (Richard) had been sharing ideas with them remotely, when they put everything together Steven had already jammed the bass so they never saw the need to call Colin.

They could have called him for the tour, did anyone say something why they hired someone else?

Yeah, I'm not buying what they're selling. We're not going to call the guy that has been the bass player going on 30 years because SW did it himself during the demo process. We're just going to ignore him and act like he was never in the band.

Yeah, I'm definitely sensing they're not telling us anywhere near the full truth here.  I mean, us fans aren't stupid.  But I'll admit I will still be picking up the album, and will probably go to a show.  They probably know that most fans will do the same - so I guess that's why they don't really care it seems..

[Zantera]

For me personally the lack of Colin and the 'vibe' of this reunion just rubs me the wrong way and feels more like a cynical cash grab than a real passion project and that's partly the reason why I decided not to get concert tickets or pre-order the album so far. But I'm still curious to listen to it when it drops and I'll probably end up getting the CD at some point. Don't really have anything against others who are more excited or are going to the concerts - heck if I hadn't seen them on The Incident tour I probably would have gone, but having already seen them I don't feel that "need to cross them off my list" that others might feel.

[Fritzinger]

For me personally the lack of Colin and the 'vibe' of this reunion just rubs me the wrong way and feels more like a cynical cash grab than a real passion project and that's partly the reason why I decided not to get concert tickets or pre-order the album so far. But I'm still curious to listen to it when it drops and I'll probably end up getting the CD at some point. Don't really have anything against others who are more excited or are going to the concerts - heck if I hadn't seen them on The Incident tour I probably would have gone, but having already seen them I don't feel that "need to cross them off my list" that others might feel.

Man, prog fans are the worst  Everyone gives SW shit for years now because he is moving on through different musical genres and influences, meaning he is actually a "progressive" musician. And everyone is whining for a PT reunion, just like many DT fans are just whining for MP to come back instead of enjoying the interesting progressions resulting from those new circumstances. And when SW says "ok fine I'll do it", people start saying it's just a cash grab  Even if that WAS the truth, I couldn't care less. Because the album is very good and I am happy SW and the guys are able to make money with it. These are musicians and what they do is their job and they have to make money from it. Plus, it's not like they just released a PT compilation album and then toured. They wrote over an hour of new music.

[jammindude]

I think you’re listening to different sides and then claiming the two arguments come from the same side.

I was not looking for a PT reunion. Though I would not have minded one IF that is what SW honestly *wanted* to do. But if he *wanted* to continue channeling his inner Bowie, I would prefer he keep doing that.

In any case, I never wanted any of the artists I love to create music for ME. I want them to create music for them.

Any time I get the vibe that they are doing it for me and not for them, I lose interest.

[Mladen]

I think you’re listening to different sides and then claiming the two arguments come from the same side.

I was not looking for a PT reunion. Though I would not have minded one IF that is what SW honestly *wanted* to do. But if he *wanted* to continue channeling his inner Bowie, I would prefer he keep doing that.

In any case, I never wanted any of the artists I love to create music for ME. I want them to create music for them.

Any time I get the vibe that they are doing it for me and not for them, I lose interest.

Can I quote this in my signature?

[gazinwales]

For me personally the lack of Colin and the 'vibe' of this reunion just rubs me the wrong way and feels more like a cynical cash grab than a real passion project and that's partly the reason why I decided not to get concert tickets or pre-order the album so far. But I'm still curious to listen to it when it drops and I'll probably end up getting the CD at some point. Don't really have anything against others who are more excited or are going to the concerts - heck if I hadn't seen them on The Incident tour I probably would have gone, but having already seen them I don't feel that "need to cross them off my list" that others might feel.

I don't think PT are anywhere near the level that can make a vast amount of money from a new album and touring the venues they are booked to play.

[ErHaO]

In any case, I never wanted any of the artists I love to create music for ME. I want them to create music for them.

Any time I get the vibe that they are doing it for me and not for them, I lose interest.

For me it is not like this. Some of the greatest pieces of art are/were made in comission, be it music, film or other forms of art. By that very nature it was created for someone/requested by someone/influenced by someone. Sure, I think it is great that artists make music for themselves as their passion. They should 100% do that as well, any creator needs to I think. And amazing material comes from that. But in the end, if an artist is good at making music for me, I absolutely wish them to do so. If they are good at doing that, offcourse. Offcourse if the artist is absolutely not into doing that, then it likely does not work. But I really doubt that is the case here. There is nothing wrong with pleasing a fanbase, especially in case of an artist like Steven Wilson, who has a steady output of a wide variety of projects.

[KevShmev]

I think it goes without saying that this reunion wouldn't have happen if not for the pandemic. Wait, check that, Wilson basically did say that.

I have it said it before and I will say it again: Edwin not being a part of this does take a bit of the sheen off the reunion, but I suspect that will all fade away if the album comes out and is really good or even great. 

[jammindude]

I think you’re listening to different sides and then claiming the two arguments come from the same side.

I was not looking for a PT reunion. Though I would not have minded one IF that is what SW honestly *wanted* to do. But if he *wanted* to continue channeling his inner Bowie, I would prefer he keep doing that.

In any case, I never wanted any of the artists I love to create music for ME. I want them to create music for them.

Any time I get the vibe that they are doing it for me and not for them, I lose interest.

Can I quote this in my signature?

Will it fit? 

[Zantera]

For me personally the lack of Colin and the 'vibe' of this reunion just rubs me the wrong way and feels more like a cynical cash grab than a real passion project and that's partly the reason why I decided not to get concert tickets or pre-order the album so far. But I'm still curious to listen to it when it drops and I'll probably end up getting the CD at some point. Don't really have anything against others who are more excited or are going to the concerts - heck if I hadn't seen them on The Incident tour I probably would have gone, but having already seen them I don't feel that "need to cross them off my list" that others might feel.

Man, prog fans are the worst  Everyone gives SW shit for years now because he is moving on through different musical genres and influences, meaning he is actually a "progressive" musician. And everyone is whining for a PT reunion, just like many DT fans are just whining for MP to come back instead of enjoying the interesting progressions resulting from those new circumstances. And when SW says "ok fine I'll do it", people start saying it's just a cash grab  Even if that WAS the truth, I couldn't care less. Because the album is very good and I am happy SW and the guys are able to make money with it. These are musicians and what they do is their job and they have to make money from it. Plus, it's not like they just released a PT compilation album and then toured. They wrote over an hour of new music.

I would have loved a PT reunion more under different circumstances - like legit enthusiasm about the project, including Colin, but this definitely feels like a response to The Future Bites missing with a lot of the fans and I think this was a smart move to put the focus on something else for now and another PT album will be a safer bet than another solo album at this point in time. Personally I just think SW should do whatever he is passionate about even when it's solo albums that I don't end up loving, but I don't really get a strong sense of passion from the way this PT album is being talked about. But hey that's just my five cents.

[Kram]

I think it goes without saying that this reunion wouldn't have happen if not for the pandemic. Wait, check that, Wilson basically did say that.

I have it said it before and I will say it again: Edwin not being a part of this does take a bit of the sheen off the reunion, but I suspect that will all fade away if the album comes out and is really good or even great.

The fact that Edwin isn't apart of the reunion itself is not what bothers me. It's how they've handled the situation that doesn't sit right with me.

[Ben_Jamin]

For me personally the lack of Colin and the 'vibe' of this reunion just rubs me the wrong way and feels more like a cynical cash grab than a real passion project and that's partly the reason why I decided not to get concert tickets or pre-order the album so far. But I'm still curious to listen to it when it drops and I'll probably end up getting the CD at some point. Don't really have anything against others who are more excited or are going to the concerts - heck if I hadn't seen them on The Incident tour I probably would have gone, but having already seen them I don't feel that "need to cross them off my list" that others might feel.

Man, prog fans are the worst  Everyone gives SW shit for years now because he is moving on through different musical genres and influences, meaning he is actually a "progressive" musician. And everyone is whining for a PT reunion, just like many DT fans are just whining for MP to come back instead of enjoying the interesting progressions resulting from those new circumstances. And when SW says "ok fine I'll do it", people start saying it's just a cash grab  Even if that WAS the truth, I couldn't care less. Because the album is very good and I am happy SW and the guys are able to make money with it. These are musicians and what they do is their job and they have to make money from it. Plus, it's not like they just released a PT compilation album and then toured. They wrote over an hour of new music.

I would have loved a PT reunion more under different circumstances - like legit enthusiasm about the project, including Colin, but this definitely feels like a response to The Future Bites missing with a lot of the fans and I think this was a smart move to put the focus on something else for now and another PT album will be a safer bet than another solo album at this point in time. Personally I just think SW should do whatever he is passionate about even when it's solo albums that I don't end up loving, but I don't really get a strong sense of passion from the way this PT album is being talked about. But hey that's just my five cents.

It could be he invested a lot of funds in The Future Bites tour, and lost it all when it never happened.

[ProfessorPeart]

I think it goes without saying that this reunion wouldn't have happen if not for the pandemic. Wait, check that, Wilson basically did say that.

I have it said it before and I will say it again: Edwin not being a part of this does take a bit of the sheen off the reunion, but I suspect that will all fade away if the album comes out and is really good or even great.

The fact that Edwin isn't apart of the reunion itself is not what bothers me. It's how they've handled the situation that doesn't sit right with me.

Pretty much the same. I mean, I did order the big earbook of the new album knowing he wasn't there. The PR on the Colin situation has been poor.