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Israel a major threat to the global security
« on: February 23, 2012, 06:27:17 PM »
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Renowned American academician Noam Chomsky has criticized the US allegations against Iran's peaceful nuclear program, and described "Israel" as the major threat to the global security.

In his latest articled published in the Guardian, the senior American historian and philosopher argued that Iran's "strategic doctrines are defensive, designed to deter invasion."

He lashed out at the propaganda campaign by the US media outlets aimed at portraying Iran as a "threat" and argued that Tehran would never even "come close to initiating a nuclear war."

Chomsky pointed out that despite the anti-Iran notions propagated by the Western politicians, "in Europe, polls show that "Israel" is regarded as the leading threat to peace," and in the Middle East and North Africa, Washington shares the status with Tel Aviv.

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 06:48:20 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 07:53:28 PM »
Israel is currently lead a bunch of idiots. But they're not a threat to international security.


Noam Chomsky has been known to be rather...............critical..............of Israel.
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2012, 08:33:24 PM »
I wil say Iran does seem like a "rational agent." more so than our media makes it out to be.

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2012, 08:40:51 PM »
I wil say Iran does seem like a "rational agent." more so than our media makes it out to be.

Iran, as an agent as you put it is fine. They won't blow anyone up.


The problem lies in who gets access to their technology by proxy? Iran has many shady contacts, several of which WOULD use a nuke if given access.
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2012, 08:55:12 PM »
In an interesting corollary to this, Iran's Ayatollah tweeted (I know, wtf) that the acquisition of nuclear weapons is a sin.

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2012, 08:57:26 PM »
I would think that their interests would best be served by keeping a tight reign on their nukes.  It doesn't help them to hand them over to rogue agents, and the consequences would be terribly severe.  Even the Rooskies would stop supporting them if an Iranian nuke blew up something or someone important.  Also keep in mind that we already have an even less stable Pakistani regime which also has some questionable amigos, plus a pretty damned negligent Russia, who's much more likely to let bad actors get ahold of a bomb. 

I am forced to agree that Israel probably is the biggest threat to peace, simply because they're easily the most likely to attack neighboring countries.  However, I don't think Israel's impending attack on Iran will have much effect on global security.  They've done it before, and everybody knows they'll do it again.  My guess is that most of the world will wag their finger at them for a day and then move right the hell on along.  We'll support them, as usual. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 10:26:45 PM »
I am forced to agree that Israel probably is the biggest threat to peace, simply because they're easily the most likely to attack neighboring countries.  However, I don't think Israel's impending attack on Iran will have much effect on global security.  They've done it before, and everybody knows they'll do it again.  My guess is that most of the world will wag their finger at them for a day and then move right the hell on along.  We'll support them, as usual.

I think it's pretty obvious that the U.S. is the biggest threat to global peace. They've already demonstrated that they will attack anyone, even pre-emptively. Sure, countries like Israel, Pakistan, Iran and Russia seem like they have potential to be a loose cannon, but the US is acting like a loose cannon by bombing everyone they can. God help us if Santorum is elected.

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 12:23:17 AM »
Israel is currently lead a bunch of idiots. But they're not a threat to international security.


Noam Chomsky has been known to be rather...............critical..............of Israel.

I totally agree with the first part. And based on some things I've heard him say about this and other issues, I'm convinced that for all of Chomsky's brains, he has a bit of a crazy side. Not that being critical of Israel is crazy, but you can be crazy with regards to otherwise reasonable ideas.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2012, 05:29:08 AM »
I wil say Iran does seem like a "rational agent." more so than our media makes it out to be.

Iran, as an agent as you put it is fine. They won't blow anyone up.


The problem lies in who gets access to their technology by proxy? Iran has many shady contacts, several of which WOULD use a nuke if given access.

That is a fair concern however I'm still unable to understand why the US thinks everyone is against them. I think Orthogonal got it right saying the US is the country that threatens the world peace the most always saying the middle east countries are bad and want to destroy the world and trying to turn other countries against them. Why would poor countries like them would be interested in nuking the US? What do they get out from that?
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2012, 06:35:23 AM »
What poor countries like them get out of nuking the US is stopping them turning the world against the Middle East. :P

Srs answer: as Adami (?) said, it's not nation-states we need to worry about but non-state actors like terror groups getting a hold of weaponry normally relegated to nation-states. Destructive power of that magnitude reaching unpredictable elements is a danger, and it's really only an unlucky coincidence (at least that's the best description I can give on four hours of sleep) that the terror constituency is comprised of Middle Easterners.

In addition to that you have vital and desirable national interests in the Middle East, ranging from oil to just simply ensuring regional stability (obviously we are clueless on that point, but hey).
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2012, 08:18:35 AM »
I agree about terrorist actors, but what interest does Iran or anybody else have in giving them nukes?  Iran would be held equally accountable.  They're catching enough flack as it is.

And why no concern over Pakistan?  Hell, they're practically the new Afghanistan as far as [what's left of] al Qaeda is concerned. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2012, 10:21:08 AM »
Of course there's concern over Pakistan. And I'm sure Iran wouldn't do something so foolish, but as mentioned already they do have sketchy contacts, desired or not, who could acquire weapons with or without the state's permission. Hell, it's a big fear even with Russia, where there are dozens of nuke silos missing (how's that for a worrying prospect?).
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2012, 10:26:57 AM »
At this point I feel compelled to point out that Israel seems to have a better working relationship with terrorists than Iran.  If we're going to start judging a country's right to defense by the company they keep, well. . .
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2012, 10:49:53 AM »
At this point I feel compelled to point out that Israel seems to have a better working relationship with terrorists than Iran.  If we're going to start judging a country's right to defense by the company they keep, well. . .

And which major terrorist groups does Israel currently have contacts with? Unless you count the insane religious jews who's major terrorist attacks consist of destroying trees....
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2012, 12:24:10 PM »
At this point I feel compelled to point out that Israel seems to have a better working relationship with terrorists than Iran.  If we're going to start judging a country's right to defense by the company they keep, well. . .

And which major terrorist groups does Israel currently have contacts with? Unless you count the insane religious jews who's major terrorist attacks consist of destroying trees....

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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2012, 12:36:32 PM »
At this point I feel compelled to point out that Israel seems to have a better working relationship with terrorists than Iran.  If we're going to start judging a country's right to defense by the company they keep, well. . .

And which major terrorist groups does Israel currently have contacts with? Unless you count the insane religious jews who's major terrorist attacks consist of destroying trees....

Mujahedin-e-Khalq

These are the guys the Mossad are using to do their leg work.

Ah yes, one group who so far has done one major attack is definitely way worse than Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa, Hezbollah etc. Much worse.
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2012, 12:50:07 PM »
I wasn't really trying to make qualitative comparisons.  Israel is pretty up front about using the guys to conduct operations in Iran, right now.  I'm not sure that's the case with Iran.  Could be, I don't know, but I don't think they're publicly confirming it whilst snickering like Muttley. 
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2012, 01:15:02 PM »
I wasn't really trying to make qualitative comparisons.  Israel is pretty up front about using the guys to conduct operations in Iran, right now.  I'm not sure that's the case with Iran.  Could be, I don't know, but I don't think they're publicly confirming it whilst snickering like Muttley.

The point of Adami's previous post being that although they're not exactly up-front about it, it's not exactly a secret.
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2012, 01:28:13 PM »
I wasn't really trying to make qualitative comparisons.  Israel is pretty up front about using the guys to conduct operations in Iran, right now.  I'm not sure that's the case with Iran.  Could be, I don't know, but I don't think they're publicly confirming it whilst snickering like Muttley.

"better" is a qualitative word.

The group existed before Israel had anything to do with them, I doubt Israel propped them up and are  "using" them in anyway. The idea of a group wanting to take down the leaders or Iran isn't exactly revolutionary (no pun intended). And Iran is pretty open about its backing of Hamas, Hezbollah and just about any group that aims to destroy Israel.
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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2012, 01:52:08 PM »
Plus I seem to remember learning somewhere that Hezbollah was created by Iran.
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2012, 03:44:56 PM »
Iran wouldn't give up it's nukes, it would be traceable to them, and they'd get fucked hard for it. And they know it. Look at what we did to Afghanistan, for "9/11," even though it had basically nothing to do with the attacks. They want nukes, because it puts them at the same table, and they become someone you just can't ignore, or push around.

There's not only Pakistan, but a ton of missing nuclear material, due to the collapse of the Soviet Union. North Korea also apparently has the capability, and I'd put them a hell of a lot crazier than Iran. Iran would be a drop in the bucket, if anything, and not the doomsday event it's being displayed as.

The problem is nuclear weapons, and that they exist, it is not Iran.

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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2012, 03:55:00 PM »
Iran wouldn't give up it's nukes, it would be traceable to them, and they'd get fucked hard for it. And they know it. Look at what we did to Afghanistan, for "9/11," even though it had basically nothing to do with the attacks. They want nukes, because it puts them at the same table, and they become someone you just can't ignore, or push around.

There's not only Pakistan, but a ton of missing nuclear material, due to the collapse of the Soviet Union. North Korea also apparently has the capability, and I'd put them a hell of a lot crazier than Iran. Iran would be a drop in the bucket, if anything, and not the doomsday event it's being displayed as.

The problem is nuclear weapons, and that they exist, it is not Iran.

I tried very hard to find something to disagree with, just for the hell of it....but couldn't find anything.
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2012, 04:29:44 PM »
I mean, would we attack a confirmed, openly nuclear power? Iraq was sort of a different situation, it wasn't entirely certain they had them or how far along development/enrichment was, but they weren't in a deployable form under which we would risk nuclear retaliation.
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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2012, 09:53:40 PM »
I wish Noam Chomsky wouldn't say anything in public ever again.
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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2012, 10:07:58 PM »
I wish Noam Chomsky wouldn't say anything in public ever again.

Yea, speech and linguistics aren't really his thing.
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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2012, 02:48:05 PM »
Iran wouldn't give up it's nukes, it would be traceable to them, and they'd get fucked hard for it. And they know it. Look at what we did to Afghanistan, for "9/11," even though it had basically nothing to do with the attacks. They want nukes, because it puts them at the same table, and they become someone you just can't ignore, or push around.

There's not only Pakistan, but a ton of missing nuclear material, due to the collapse of the Soviet Union. North Korea also apparently has the capability, and I'd put them a hell of a lot crazier than Iran. Iran would be a drop in the bucket, if anything, and not the doomsday event it's being displayed as.

The problem is nuclear weapons, and that they exist, it is not Iran.

I tried very hard to find something to disagree with, just for the hell of it....but couldn't find anything.

Well thank you.

On the topic, anyone see Newt Gingrich call Ahmadinejad a dictator of Iran, and out of his mind? It's a rather interesting case of a politicians, probably playing to his base, by calling out an enemy politicians, whose in large respects, playing to his base.

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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2012, 03:35:05 PM »
Yeah, Newt's far too tactless to ever be president.  Although, it's quite possible that being completely tactless is a selling point nowadays, just like being an idiot was during Bush's term. 
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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2012, 03:37:01 PM »
Yeah, Newt's far too tactless to ever be president.  Although, it's quite possible that being completely tactless is a selling point nowadays, just like being an idiot was during Bush's term.

But I thought Newt was trailing?
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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2012, 12:29:30 AM »
A liberal American Jew criticizing Israel. Nothing new here!

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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2012, 12:48:27 AM »
A liberal American Jew criticizing Israel. Nothing new here!

I didn't know Jewish organisations accuse Jews who oppose destroying Palestinian's homes to take their place of "self hating" http://youtu.be/QNE4jEBMFf4
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« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2012, 08:05:47 AM »
@ That video: Yeah, I know about that girl, she's a nut (even though I agree with her on some level, which is unfortunate).

@ The question: That is a good question. Personally, I don't really care if someone doesn't support Israel unless their not supporting means they also actively oppose it, like the Israel Apartheid Week folks that were at my school a week ago. I want peace to happen, but I'm of the opinion that it can't come from each side still badmouthing one another. And I mean sure, it applies to Zionists too, particularly the sort that do want the continuation of settlements (I don't support settlement), but people who sympathize with and champion the Palestinian cause are not exempt.
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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2012, 02:36:00 PM »
You and I are so incredibly different. I don't find that girl to be a nut at all, I credit people like her for the last ditch efforts of keeping the Jews a separate entity from the Zionists and thus struggling against staining the Jewish people entirely with what is basically a racial militaristic movement.
You "agree with her on some level" and you don't support settlements but you think voicing and spreading this opinion classifies as betrayal to your people, did I get that right?
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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2012, 04:05:27 PM »
...No, I meant in the sense that I personally know her, and I know from personal experience that whether I agree with her or not, that girl is nuts.
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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2012, 07:41:24 PM »
Oh okay, Cause you said "I know about that girl", I thought you just found the news online like me.
Nut she is then!
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