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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2012, 11:16:01 PM »
I'm milking this thread for all it has before it goes to PR...

If CGI child porn is OK because there is no victim, why is already made child porn wrong when the suffering by the real victim is long finished? There is no victim at the time of well...yeah...in either instance.
Are you serious?  There was suffering at some point.  Seriously, suffering goes beyond physical, there's the mental suffering that can last for extremely long times.

This is true, but the past is that past. It is not like we can travel back in time and stop the molester for making the stuff. So, if there truly is a inverse correlation between legality of CP and sexual abuse, why not let the past be the past, especially when A) there is nothing you can do to help those who have been hurt and B) it is beneficial to society in general?

Children are not getting corrupted...they got corrupted. What's done is done, and I see no reason in not letting the shit that is out there stay out there.

Um, no.  There is a duty we owe to every child that is fucked or exploited in a sexual manner by an adult against their will or better judgement to make sure that it is taken out.  Do you think an abuse survivor wants to know that even in his/her twenties that pictures of the worst moment in their lives are floating out their.   If you're doing this solely for the sake of argument Cole, drop it.

And Lonestar, I'm not arguing for arguing's sake. I actually feel incredibly strong about this issue.

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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2012, 11:19:34 PM »
So you feel that a picture of a child being molested should stay out there because "what's done is done"?  Don't you think all the other shit that goes along with being an abuse survivor is enough, the isolation, the eternal shame, the drug abuse and alcoholism, the complete inability to form a normal relationship, etc. is enough suffering for an innocent.  You really think their pictures should stay out there too?

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« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2012, 11:24:20 PM »
So you feel that a picture of a child being molested should stay out there because "what's done is done"?  Don't you think all the other shit that goes along with being an abuse survivor is enough, the isolation, the eternal shame, the drug abuse and alcoholism, the complete inability to form a normal relationship, etc. is enough suffering for an innocent.  You really think their pictures should stay out there too?

Considering the fact that the odds state that the molestee will never encounter those pictures again due to the near infinite amount of material out there, yes, I really do.

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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2012, 12:03:35 AM »
In addition to what lonestar's just said, what about the fact that the molestee now has to do with the fact, for life, that their naked or sexually-oriented likeness is circulating and being consumed on the internet? Even just the awareness that the picture or pictures are out there to be viewed by anyone, even if I don't re-encounter it myself, would be sufficiently shame-inducing and scarring.
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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2012, 12:20:25 AM »
I've made my points, and it seems, understandably, that I'm alone. There really is no point in continuing the discussion. I just want anyone that reads this to know that I really do hold the views I have stated in this thread, and no, I'm not a monster, child molester, devil in disguise, or any of that.


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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2012, 12:41:29 AM »
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« Reply #76 on: February 11, 2012, 01:23:26 AM »
Considering the fact that the odds state that the molestee will never encounter those pictures again due to the near infinite amount of material out there, yes, I really do.
Someone doesn't have to encounter the pictures to be affected by them. This assumes that a person who was molested and knows that people can, and likely do, view the pictures all the time from throughout the world, would not care. But the reality is that knowing about that kind of possibility is something that can make those people feel like they are being constantly violated.

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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2012, 01:55:53 AM »
I'm milking this thread for all it has before it goes to PR...

If CGI child porn is OK because there is no victim, why is already made child porn wrong when the suffering by the real victim is long finished? There is no victim at the time of well...yeah...in either instance.

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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2012, 02:00:52 AM »
Both of them need to be punished in a way proportional to their crimes. A good action does not make amend for a bad one. Law is not subnuclear physics.

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Don't misinterpret me. The burgler needed to be punished according to the law, but I was pleased by his decision to turn in. He will probably be my next (fingerless) Hand.
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« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2012, 02:04:34 AM »
If the burglar doesn't get a reduction in his punishment for turning in the evidence, then what is the incentives for burglars in the future to make the same decision?

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« Reply #80 on: February 11, 2012, 03:30:55 AM »
I'm milking this thread for all it has before it goes to PR...

If CGI child porn is OK because there is no victim, why is already made child porn wrong when the suffering by the real victim is long finished? There is no victim at the time of well...yeah...in either instance.

I wasn't aware that anyone could possibly be this stupid.
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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2012, 04:40:32 AM »
There is a reason pedophiles are the first to get fucked/stabbed in prison. Even mass murderers think that pedophiles are the scum of society  :lol

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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2012, 05:13:16 AM »
So you feel that a picture of a child being molested should stay out there because "what's done is done"?  Don't you think all the other shit that goes along with being an abuse survivor is enough, the isolation, the eternal shame, the drug abuse and alcoholism, the complete inability to form a normal relationship, etc. is enough suffering for an innocent.  You really think their pictures should stay out there too?

I agree with lonestar on this one, I think just the knowledge of their pictures still being out there is extremely difficult to deal with on top of everything else they have to go through.

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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2012, 05:16:01 AM »
When did Cole become Collin?

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« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2012, 06:35:46 AM »
When did Cole become Collin?
And when did no one explain to him the concept of supply and demand?

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« Reply #85 on: February 11, 2012, 07:04:04 AM »
When did Cole become Collin?
And when did no one explain to him the concept of supply and demand?

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« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2012, 07:15:53 AM »
I think everybody is aware of my stance on pedophiles.
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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2012, 07:59:22 AM »
I think everybody is aware of my stance on pedophiles.
is it the same as everyone else's stance on pedophiles whose names aren't Cole and Collin?

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« Reply #88 on: February 11, 2012, 08:03:21 AM »
Did you ever see the rant I had with Collin about that subject?

And yes I do understand everyone else is against that but it was how to handle a pedophile after being caught that was the fight.
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« Reply #89 on: February 11, 2012, 08:23:08 AM »
Did you ever see the rant I had with Collin about that subject?

And yes I do understand everyone else is against that but it was how to handle a pedophile after being caught that was the fight.
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« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2012, 08:28:55 AM »
I think everybody is aware of my stance on pedophiles.

I completely missed it. It may have been during the short break I took from the forum.
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« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2012, 08:34:28 AM »
Well Collin said it was a sexual choice and not deviant behavior.  My nephew was molested at a young age and I walked in on it and had an all out blood bath fight to protect him so you can see where I stand.
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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #92 on: February 11, 2012, 08:44:44 AM »
I said I wasn't going to post after last night, but this is my last post:

1. Collin and I are not the only people to have these views. Are we the majority opinion? By no means, no. However, there are many people that do feel the way we do. It's just a government issue thing. You talk about all the children that are harmed, but you guys care not about the many people that are harmed every day living in a world that doesn't accept them because they are different. A guy who is attracted to young children can't even facilitate one of the human's post basic desires with porn, and we think we are doing good by it. Fine, no already made stuff, no current stuff, but I see no, absolutely zero, reason to stop CGI stuff. You talk about the children so much you forget about the adults.

2. You guys talk about "knowing" the pictures are out there would result in more mental anguish. A few things here, one, I don't disagree. Two, the fact of the matter is that they will be out there regardless, it is just a matter of whether or not it is legal. And three, the odds of someone looking at your personal picture with a myriad of pictures, videos, etc. to look at is slim.

3. There is positive correlation with child pornography and sex abuse. In fact, it is just the opposite. A study done a few years ago found that of a couple hundred people arrested for child porn, 1% of them actually committed a hands on sexual abuse. You guys are demonizing an entire people for 1% of sick dudes. I could say the same thing about fundamentalist religious people or terrorists, or any of that, and many people would agree with me. And lastly, I repeat, as the legality of child porn (and porn in general) increases, the number of sexual abuse acts decreases, and by a large margin.

Here is what happened to crime when Czechoslovakia split between the Czech Republic and Slovakia and porn became legal:



Now here is crimes in general. Everything went up, except sexual cases:



And here are crimes compared between sexual and non sexual causes:



These results are not limited to the Czech Republic, they can also be found in Denmark, Sweden, Germany, the US, Japan, China, Croatia, and Finland.

Usually, I would pussy out and say I'm sorry if I offended anyone in an instance like this, but I'm really not. I deeply feel what I'm saying, and you guys can call me all sorts of names, look down on me, call me stupid, dumb, horrible, and I don't care. I have presented cold hard facts that try to "prove" my point. Masturbating to child pornography in America, and around most of the world today, is thought crime, and I don't like it. You guys can think whatever you want of me.

Now, I really will stop positing.

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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #93 on: February 11, 2012, 08:58:03 AM »
Just knowing that it is out there is enough for me.  All the statistics in the world can't heal the pain of one abuse survivor, and remember, most pedophiles are abuse survivors who never got help.  Instead of condoning being a pedophile, which is what you are doing, why not focus on removing the negative stigma and shame of being an innocent victim of one.  Sometimes we have to ignore the statistics, and go with our hearts, at all cost.

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« Reply #94 on: February 11, 2012, 08:59:42 AM »
I'm not mad at you numbers.  I just think your misguided.  Sex is between to consenting people that "Can: have sex.  Children cannot therefore it "IS" wrong.  That is why it's not a sexual preference.   

I could care less if Sally Housecoat gets off watching two men get it on or can only orgasm when getting cut.  That's their choice.  Children who have not reach puberty need protection from those who feel these perversions.  Plain and Simple.
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« Reply #95 on: February 11, 2012, 09:30:48 AM »
3. There is positive correlation with child pornography and sex abuse. In fact, it is just the opposite. A study done a few years ago found that of a couple hundred people arrested for child porn, 1% of them actually committed a hands on sexual abuse. You guys are demonizing an entire people for 1% of sick dudes. I could say the same thing about fundamentalist religious people or terrorists, or any of that, and many people would agree with me. And lastly, I repeat, as the legality of child porn (and porn in general) increases, the number of sexual abuse acts decreases, and by a large margin.

That may be true, but it's ignoring the fact that if there's a demand for the stuff then people willing to make it will be encouraged to make more. You tried arguing earlier that those people just do it for their own enjoyment anyway and wouldn't be affected by the demand, but if that were the case then they wouldn't be circulating the pictures/videos to other people in the first place.

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« Reply #96 on: February 11, 2012, 09:39:51 AM »
You say it's such a tiny percentage of pedos who actually perform these acts with children, then argue we should make the porn legal to lower the sex crimes. If it's such a small percentage, then it's really a negligible benefit, for such a huge detriment to the morals of an entire society.
I would argue that the increase in demand from people now legally allowed to watch it would far outweigh the minimal reduction in sex crimes from the tiny percentage who actually do it. And why would the 99% care if someone suffered? It's now entirely legal on their end.

I'm sorry, but what a sickening world that would be. I'm all for open mindedness, but these people need help, not encouragement.
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« Reply #97 on: February 11, 2012, 09:53:18 AM »
Both of them need to be punished in a way proportional to their crimes. A good action does not make amend for a bad one. Law is not subnuclear physics.

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« Reply #98 on: February 11, 2012, 09:56:41 AM »
I will agree with Cole on this point: Pedophiles, especially one who don't actually touch kids, should not be shunned from society. I think a lot of the sex offender registry stuff has gone too far.

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« Reply #99 on: February 11, 2012, 10:37:57 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejD1Gml-ZGc
I don't know how many of y'all got to see this live,  but we stopped work and gathered in the breakroom to watch the whole thing go down.  Personally,  I was fucking enthralled.  I'm pretty sure the guy who got shot in the spine would prefer that his public maiming weren't available for anybody with a morbid interest to watch at their leisure,  yet it's a highlight of all the various pseudo-documentaries the cable networks have created on the matter.  If some weird fuck likes to beat his meat watching this whole thing go down,  I'd certainly look strangely upon his interests, but I wouldn't be rooting for him to spend 30 years getting raped by murders and thugs.

As I've said in the past,  people should be reserving their venom for the people who harm others,  be it children, adults or Irish Setters,  not the weirdos who are merely interested in it.  It's really not that hard to separate the monsters from the creepy.

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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #100 on: February 11, 2012, 11:07:12 AM »
There is a reason pedophiles are the first to get fucked/stabbed in prison. Even mass murderers think that pedophiles are the scum of society  :lol

I've heard of that, but I find it somewhat out of whack actually. It's almost as if murder was a lesser crime than producing kiddie porn.

While I agree with most people here, I have to say that American paranoia however makes it hard for the public to have a reasonable and realistic stance on this. The whole online-searchable "child molester maps" (which in reality includes people taking a leak near a playground at night and getting caught) is an outcome of that.

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« Reply #101 on: February 11, 2012, 11:18:16 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejD1Gml-ZGc
I don't know how many of y'all got to see this live,  but we stopped work and gathered in the breakroom to watch the whole thing go down.  Personally,  I was fucking enthralled.  I'm pretty sure the guy who got shot in the spine would prefer that his public maiming weren't available for anybody with a morbid interest to watch at their leisure,  yet it's a highlight of all the various pseudo-documentaries the cable networks have created on the matter.  If some weird fuck likes to beat his meat watching this whole thing go down,  I'd certainly look strangely upon his interests, but I wouldn't be rooting for him to spend 30 years getting raped by murders and thugs.

As I've said in the past,  people should be reserving their venom for the people who harm others,  be it children, adults or Irish Setters,  not the weirdos who are merely interested in it.  It's really not that hard to separate the monsters from the creepy.

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« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2012, 11:27:50 AM »
I will agree with Cole on this point: Pedophiles, especially one who don't actually touch kids, should not be shunned from society. I think a lot of the sex offender registry stuff has gone too far.
I still disagree with Cole on the matter that the porn itself should/shouldn't be kept around.

What I DO agree with is your comment. No, I don't think they should be shunned. People can't help what they are attracted to. Maybe they're so bored and desensitized by porn that they have to go for something even more taboo to get off? I don't know. But they should be given psychological treatment before prison time.
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« Reply #103 on: February 11, 2012, 12:02:07 PM »
I will agree with Cole on this point: Pedophiles, especially one who don't actually touch kids, should not be shunned from society. I think a lot of the sex offender registry stuff has gone too far.
I still disagree with Cole on the matter that the porn itself should/shouldn't be kept around.

What I DO agree with is your comment. No, I don't think they should be shunned. People can't help what they are attracted to. Maybe they're so bored and desensitized by porn that they have to go for something even more taboo to get off? I don't know. But they should be given psychological treatment before prison time.

This. CP should be illegal, but the verdict should be counseling, therapy, and pills red, pink and blue (OK, maybe not that last part :P).
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Re: Burglar turns himself in to help catch a Pedophile
« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2012, 12:08:32 PM »
There is a reason pedophiles are the first to get fucked/stabbed in prison. Even mass murderers think that pedophiles are the scum of society  :lol

I've heard of that, but I find it somewhat out of whack actually. It's almost as if murder was a lesser crime than producing kiddie porn.
Well, it could be very easily argued that ruining somebody's life is worse than just ending it.

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