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Obama pulls rug under GOP
« on: January 13, 2012, 09:38:15 AM »
Smaaaaht move by him:

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WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama will ask Congress on Friday for greater power to shrink the federal government, and he would start by trying to merge six major trade and commerce agencies whose overlapping programs can be baffling to businesses, the White House said Friday. The Commerce Department would be among those that would cease to exist.

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Obama will call on Congress to give him a type of reorganizational power last held by a president when Ronald Reagan was in office. The Obama version would be a so-called consolidation authority allowing him to propose mergers that promise to save money and help consumers. The deal would entitle him to an up-or-down vote from Congress in 90 days.

It would be up to lawmakers, therefore, to first grant Obama this fast-track authority and then decide whether to approve any of his specific ideas.

"The government we have is not the government we need," said Jeffrey Zients, who is leading the effort as deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget.

Obama will announce his effort at the White House on Friday morning. Administration officials first confirmed the news to The Associated Press.

In an election year and a political atmosphere of tighter spending, Obama's move is about more than improving a giant bureaucracy. He is attempting to directly counter Republican arguments that he has presided over the kind of government regulation, spending and debt that can undermine the economy -- a dominant theme of the emerging presidential campaign.

Republicans have often aligned themselves with smaller government. So politically, Obama is trying to put the onus on Republicans in the House and Senate to show why they would be against the pursuit of leaner government.

From Capitol Hill, a spokesman for Sen. Mitch McConnell, the top Republican in the Senate, pledged Obama's plan would get a careful review.

But the spokesman, Don Stewart, also said: "After presiding over one of the largest expansions of government in history, and a year after raising the issue in his last State of the Union, it's interesting to see the president finally acknowledge that Washington is out of control."

Obama has an imperative to deliver. He made the promise to come up with a smart reorganization of the government in his last State of the Union speech last January.

At the time, Obama grabbed attention by pointing out the absurdity of government inefficiency. In what he called his favorite example, Obama said: "The Interior Department is in charge of salmon while they're in fresh water, but the Commerce Department handles them when they're in saltwater. And I hear it gets even more complicated once they're smoked."

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So, this move puts the GOP into a difficult position. They can't oppose it without making it brutally obvious they're just doing it for opposition's sake. If they approve it, they're implicitly approving of Obama's politics.

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2012, 09:41:47 AM »
Yeah,  my guess is they conjure up a bullshit reason to oppose it.  The current crop of republicans have made some pretty stupid moves of late,  and I think this will be another. 
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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2012, 09:42:58 AM »
So, this move puts the GOP into a difficult position. They can't oppose it without making it brutally obvious they're just doing it for opposition's sake. If they approve it, they're implicitly approving of Obama's politics.

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OR, legislators on both sides of the aisle can actually approve or oppose based on whether it's actually a good or bad idea.  Just sayin'.
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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 09:45:58 AM »
So, this move puts the GOP into a difficult position. They can't oppose it without making it brutally obvious they're just doing it for opposition's sake. If they approve it, they're implicitly approving of Obama's politics.

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OR, legislators on both sides of the aisle can actually approve or oppose based on whether it's actually a good or bad idea.  Just sayin'.

Probably displaying my blatant bias here, but I think Republicans as of late have shown their complete inability to agree or compromise. And now, in election year, they will be even more incapable of doing so.

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 09:52:24 AM »
So, this move puts the GOP into a difficult position. They can't oppose it without making it brutally obvious they're just doing it for opposition's sake. If they approve it, they're implicitly approving of Obama's politics.

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OR, legislators on both sides of the aisle can actually approve or oppose based on whether it's actually a good or bad idea.  Just sayin'.

Probably displaying my blatant bias here, but I think Republicans as of late have shown their complete inability to agree or compromise. And now, in election year, they will be even more incapable of doing so.

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I think Obama could approve the use of a 100% effective cure for cancer and the Republicans would still vote it down just because he backed it.

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 09:54:15 AM »
Sadly, if one side comes up with the perfect answer for everything; the very nature of modern American politics means that the other side must reject it or forfeit the votes.  It's all about votes not ideas.  The second you agree with the other side, you abandon the people who support you.  It's ridiculous. 
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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 10:33:56 AM »
Pretty much a win-win for Obama either way here.

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 10:36:27 AM »
Presidential trolling. I love it.
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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 10:37:55 AM »
Presidential trolling. I love it.
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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 11:15:25 AM »
Pretty shrewd move on Obama's part, gotta hand him that. 

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 11:23:01 AM »
Not only was it a shrewd move, it's also the right thing to do for the country.

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2012, 11:24:17 AM »
Wow, another recent move by Obama that just puts him miles ahead of anyone else.

The only thing Republican really have on him is distortion and lies. They could come up with legitimate concerns, but instead they blame him for random nonsense and attack him for positions he doesn't actually hold or can't control.

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2012, 03:15:01 PM »
Pretty much a win-win for Obama either way here.
This.

This is a step in the right direction, Obama. If any of the Republicans oppose this, they're fucking idiots.
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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2012, 03:41:53 PM »
It would actually be better for him if they did oppose it; it'd show they don't give a shit about ideology, that they're all about politics.
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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2012, 04:54:43 PM »
So, this move puts the GOP into a difficult position. They can't oppose it without making it brutally obvious they're just doing it for opposition's sake. If they approve it, they're implicitly approving of Obama's politics.

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OR, legislators on both sides of the aisle can actually approve or oppose based on whether it's actually a good or bad idea.  Just sayin'.

Probably displaying my blatant bias here, but I think Republicans as of late have shown their complete inability to agree or compromise. And now, in election year, they will be even more incapable of doing so.

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First let me say it's a good idea but in all honesty, if a Rep was in office right now the Dems would do the same thing with the election coming and isn't that the real problem here?
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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2012, 05:50:35 PM »
Parents had Fox News on the ride home from Madison.  They're going to fight it, they were saying it was a joke of an initiative.  God damn it, when will our political system just work together.

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2012, 06:32:13 PM »
Now had a Republican proposed it it would've been hailed as a great leap forward.

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2012, 07:11:37 PM »
At least until Obama supported it.

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2012, 07:57:45 PM »
So, this move puts the GOP into a difficult position. They can't oppose it without making it brutally obvious they're just doing it for opposition's sake. If they approve it, they're implicitly approving of Obama's politics.

rumborak


OR, legislators on both sides of the aisle can actually approve or oppose based on whether it's actually a good or bad idea.  Just sayin'.

Probably displaying my blatant bias here, but I think Republicans as of late have shown their complete inability to agree or compromise. And now, in election year, they will be even more incapable of doing so.

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This is easily defused. If you're a Republican, you jump on the bandwagon immediately. Then, turn to the President and ask, "Not a bad start,  now how about we start some real downsizing?"

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2012, 08:36:23 PM »
So, this move puts the GOP into a difficult position. They can't oppose it without making it brutally obvious they're just doing it for opposition's sake. If they approve it, they're implicitly approving of Obama's politics.

rumborak


OR, legislators on both sides of the aisle can actually approve or oppose based on whether it's actually a good or bad idea.  Just sayin'.

Probably displaying my blatant bias here, but I think Republicans as of late have shown their complete inability to agree or compromise. And now, in election year, they will be even more incapable of doing so.

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This is easily defused. If you're a Republican, you jump on the bandwagon immediately. Then, turn to the President and ask, "Not a bad start,  now how about we start some real downsizing?"

Parents had Fox News on the ride home from Madison.  They're going to fight it, they were saying it was a joke of an initiative.  God damn it, when will our political system just work together.

Sometimes, I love the Republicans' stubborn partisanship.
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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2012, 10:28:42 PM »
So, this move puts the GOP into a difficult position. They can't oppose it without making it brutally obvious they're just doing it for opposition's sake. If they approve it, they're implicitly approving of Obama's politics.

rumborak


OR, legislators on both sides of the aisle can actually approve or oppose based on whether it's actually a good or bad idea.  Just sayin'.

Probably displaying my blatant bias here, but I think Republicans as of late have shown their complete inability to agree or compromise. And now, in election year, they will be even more incapable of doing so.

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This is easily defused. If you're a Republican, you jump on the bandwagon immediately. Then, turn to the President and ask, "Not a bad start,  now how about we start some real downsizing?"

Parents had Fox News on the ride home from Madison.  They're going to fight it, they were saying it was a joke of an initiative.  God damn it, when will our political system just work together.

Sometimes, I love the Republicans' stubborn partisanship.
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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2012, 11:19:29 AM »
Obama is a smart man. I do not feel bad that I'm going to vote for him again

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2012, 11:30:01 AM »
Nor should you. :tup

Anyway, I originally came here to post something lighthearted for a change:

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Re: Obama pulls rug under GOP
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2012, 11:40:34 AM »
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