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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2011, 04:01:40 AM »
What a killer song.  Seriously, this kicks the shit out of BMU, BMD.
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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2011, 04:04:58 AM »
Oh god !! talking about a new beginning .
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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2011, 04:48:06 AM »
Quote from: wolfking on December 15, 2011, 04:01:40 AM
What a killer song.  Seriously, this kicks the shit out of BMU, BMD.

In your opinion and given the opinion you have of ADToE as a whole, it comes as no surprise...

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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2011, 05:02:25 AM »
Quote from: Bertielee on December 15, 2011, 04:48:06 AM
Quote from: wolfking on December 15, 2011, 04:01:40 AM
What a killer song.  Seriously, this kicks the shit out of BMU, BMD.

In your opinion and given the opinion you have of ADToE as a whole, it comes as no surprise...

B.Lee

Yeah, it's totally my opinion, you seem somewhat offended by my comment?
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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2011, 07:57:51 AM »
Quote from: wolfking on December 15, 2011, 05:02:25 AM
Quote from: Bertielee on December 15, 2011, 04:48:06 AM
Quote from: wolfking on December 15, 2011, 04:01:40 AM
What a killer song.  Seriously, this kicks the shit out of BMU, BMD.

In your opinion and given the opinion you have of ADToE as a whole, it comes as no surprise...

B.Lee

Yeah, it's totally my opinion, you seem somewhat offended by my comment?

I'm in no way offended by your comment : I don't find ADToE  (or BMU BMD for that matter) to be the be all-end all of music. I think it's a good album, with great moments and that's it. No, no, it's simply that I said I liked the album a couple of times while you say you didn't like it everytime you can, as if it hadn't been clear the first time (even if there, you only speak of BMU, BMD). I find that funny. Btw, when you say "this kicks the shit out of...", you make it sound universal, which it is not. But no offense at all!  :tup

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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2011, 08:08:34 AM »
That's 99% of how people get in fights over musical opinions while the mere mention of "in my opinion" or "I think" would completely make for a more civil debate.
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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2011, 08:26:39 AM »
Quote from: metty on December 15, 2011, 08:08:34 AM
That's 99% of how people get in fights over musical opinions while the mere mention of "in my opinion" or "I think" would completely make for a more civil debate.

Yes, that's what I was hinting at. But I'm wise and too old to get into a fight because of diverging musical opinions. ;D

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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2011, 08:34:09 AM »
Quote from: Super Dude on December 14, 2011, 11:06:06 PM
Meh, I don't really like C-rock so I'm not loving it.

Just as a thought (not meaning to put you on the spot Super Dude)... I have never understood why someone would choose to dismiss a band/song, etc. simply because they are popular within the realms of the Christian Rock genre. I would dub that "judging a book by it's cover."

Without the inner fanboy getting in the way, I couldn't give a clear opinion on "which is better" though I don't really think that was the goal of this thread. But, I do see mild similarities in the Intro mix effects...that's about it.
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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2011, 08:42:07 AM »
Quote from: lyfeternl on December 15, 2011, 08:34:09 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on December 14, 2011, 11:06:06 PM
Meh, I don't really like C-rock so I'm not loving it.

Just as a thought (not meaning to put you on the spot Super Dude)... I have never understood why someone would choose to dismiss a band/song, etc. simply because they are popular within the realms of the Christian Rock genre. I would dub that "judging a book by it's cover."

Without the inner fanboy getting in the way, I couldn't give a clear opinion on "which is better" though I don't really think that was the goal of this thread. But, I do see mild similarities in the Intro mix effects...that's about it.

Not at all, but just to be clear, I actually am a big fan of P.O.D. (I don't have every album, but I love what I got). The reason I like them though is because they're such a departure from the usual; I don't feel like I'm listening to C-rock. Hell, even Flyleaf feels a little preachy to me.

I just find it annoying. I can't listen to obviously Jewish music either, I can only really tolerate what you might call "secular" music, like Israeli rock.
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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2011, 08:54:17 AM »
Quote from: Zook on December 14, 2011, 08:48:01 PM
At least they sound better than Muse.
They sound good definately, but better than muse?  Is that CHERRY flavored crack rock your smoking? :facepalm:
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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2011, 08:57:03 AM »
I hate Muse too.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2011, 09:15:05 AM »
Haha Red have a song called Break Me Down
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2011, 09:17:57 AM »
Why isn't this in the DT section?

Anyway, this song is irrefutable proof that Thago Campus was wrong about JP re-writing Images and Words  :biggrin:
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2011, 09:23:39 AM »
For all you people who write music, don't you ever get moments when a song completely pumps you up and inspires you to write some music and it ends up sounding just like the song you were inspired by?

Yeah, well there's nothing wrong with that ^^ at least it let me find out about a cool new band
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Re: Build me up break me down
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2011, 09:27:11 AM »
Quote from: Super Dude on December 15, 2011, 08:42:07 AM
Quote from: lyfeternl on December 15, 2011, 08:34:09 AM
Quote from: Super Dude on December 14, 2011, 11:06:06 PM
Meh, I don't really like C-rock so I'm not loving it.

Just as a thought (not meaning to put you on the spot Super Dude)... I have never understood why someone would choose to dismiss a band/song, etc. simply because they are popular within the realms of the Christian Rock genre. I would dub that "judging a book by it's cover."

Without the inner fanboy getting in the way, I couldn't give a clear opinion on "which is better" though I don't really think that was the goal of this thread. But, I do see mild similarities in the Intro mix effects...that's about it.

Not at all, but just to be clear, I actually am a big fan of P.O.D. (I don't have every album, but I love what I got). The reason I like them though is because they're such a departure from the usual; I don't feel like I'm listening to C-rock. Hell, even Flyleaf feels a little preachy to me.

I just find it annoying. I can't listen to obviously Jewish music either, I can only really tolerate what you might call "secular" music, like Israeli rock.

I agree with you 100%. Yeah, 'preachy' is a deterrent that is understandable.  :tup
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2011, 09:30:08 AM »
Quote from: Perpetual Change on December 15, 2011, 09:17:57 AM
Why isn't this in the DT section?

Anyway, this song is irrefutable proof that Thago Campus was wrong about JP re-writing Images and Words  :biggrin:

Unless the process goes as such: Red ripped off I&W for latest album, JP influenced by Red's latest album... :neverusethis:
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2011, 09:37:48 AM »
Honestly, having defending JP vehemently numerous times, I'm starting to have my doubts. While I don't expect glaring originality from a heavy-metal guitarists who has already put out 10+ albums, all this stuff we've heard about over the years is starting to become less and less avoidable.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2011, 09:51:13 AM »
Typical Corporate Rock..sounds like a million other bands out there ...

Record label exec...He who's that popular rock band right now?

P&R guy...you mean band "x"?

Record Label exec.... yea  thats them...go sign every other band that sounds just like them


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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2011, 10:02:04 AM »
In my opinion both songs are completely forgettable.

Quote from: Super Dude on December 15, 2011, 08:57:03 AM
I hate Muse too.

Also that ^^


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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2011, 12:24:37 PM »
Cool story, bro
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2011, 12:26:01 PM »
My post a few days ago in an other thread:

Quote from: YtseJamittaja on December 11, 2011, 11:32:56 PM
Anyone else here noticed, that Red's Until We Have Faces has really similar guitar riffs than ADTOE? (compare Feed The Machine and BMU,BMD)

I wonder if this was a big influence to JP during the writing.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2011, 12:33:55 PM »
Since I actually care about lyrics for the most part I can't get into Christian rock.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2011, 03:54:17 PM »
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"Check out the first song on JP's fav album of the year....
WOW, the arrangenent and orchestration sounds awfully familiar!!
Surely it must be an intentional "nugget" for the fans...
It couldn't possibly be blatant formula plagiarism now could it...??
I just have to laugh.... : )"

Mike just chimed in with this on his forums, shows that he did at least listen to the second track of the album  :P


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I myself have just heard this track, yeah there are some similar things there. Still different enough to not be considered a rip off and lets be honest Dream Theater have done this sort of thing quite a lot.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2011, 04:01:45 PM »
It's really not /that/ similar, but yeah I see it. Until We Have Faces is actually a pretty good album, to be honest.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2011, 04:23:20 PM »
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"Check out the first song on JP's fav album of the year....
WOW, the arrangenent and orchestration sounds awfully familiar!!
Surely it must be an intentional "nugget" for the fans...
It couldn't possibly be blatant formula plagiarism now could it...??
I just have to laugh.... : )"

Guess who....  ::)

It would be really helpful for the rest of us if you actually said who instead of just posting an anonymous quote.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2011, 04:27:38 PM »
Quote from: bosk1 on December 15, 2011, 04:23:20 PM
Quote from: jcmoorehead on December 15, 2011, 03:54:17 PM
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"Check out the first song on JP's fav album of the year....
WOW, the arrangenent and orchestration sounds awfully familiar!!
Surely it must be an intentional "nugget" for the fans...
It couldn't possibly be blatant formula plagiarism now could it...??
I just have to laugh.... : )"

Guess who....  ::)

It would be really helpful for the rest of us if you actually said who instead of just posting an anonymous quote.

My apologies, thought it would have been obvious but I've went back and edited it to say who it was from.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2011, 04:30:59 PM »
Funny how perspectives change.  When Mike was in the band, this sort of thing was perfectly fine, and he would be all over anyone who publicly criticized.  Now that he is out of the band, it's suddenly okay to mock and make plagiarism accusations.  Interesting.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2011, 04:34:40 PM »
This is all your fault, Bosk.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2011, 04:40:58 PM »
Hey, all I do is enforce the rules, man.  I told Mike if he got one more tat, he was out of the band.  Nobody held a gun to his head and made him get that ink.  I just do my job.  Justice is blind.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2011, 04:45:11 PM »
Quote from: bosk1 on December 15, 2011, 04:40:58 PM
Hey, all I do is enforce the rules, man.  I told Mike if he got one more tat, he was out of the band.  Nobody held a gun to his head and made him get that ink.  I just do my job.  Justice is blind.

Typical Sith Lords. Always thinkin' they da man.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2011, 04:50:11 PM »
Just when I thought things were settling down, MP says something like this. Why?
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #66 on: December 15, 2011, 04:53:12 PM »
So much for everyone getting along again lol.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #67 on: December 15, 2011, 04:54:03 PM »
I'm so sick of the "similarities" people, mainly cause I don't understand how the fuck do they expect their "discovery" to change me.
I'm not just talking about this but all the previous stuff including the I&W stuff as well.
Is this information supposed to make me dislike the music? cause it doesn't.
And does MP get itchy whenever he regains some respect from the fans? does he have to brush it off every now and then? Bravo Mike you busted JP, fine work there.
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #68 on: December 15, 2011, 04:55:51 PM »
Nice response by a poster on MP.com:

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*Puts on Peruvian Skies, Never Enough, Prophets of War, intro to Octavarium, and intro to Root of All Evil for irony...

Ok, it's similar - does it really matter THAT much?
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Re: Red - Feed The Machine
« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2011, 05:04:47 PM »
I think I may have just made some enemies.  Couldn't help it though.
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