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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3290 on: September 12, 2016, 04:27:44 AM »
Well this is awkward  :|

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3291 on: September 12, 2016, 05:56:11 AM »
Yeah this album is great, indeed. Just gets better with every listen.

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« Reply #3292 on: September 12, 2016, 06:40:10 AM »
Probably my album of the year as of now.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3293 on: September 12, 2016, 07:37:55 AM »
Major Spoilers for each song below. Highlight to read.



Regress: The Oracles return one last time to talk about The Boy's fate. They no longer have anything to say about him and leave him to his demise knowing their is nothing else to say to him. They depart hoping the end comes to him quickly.

The Moon/Awake: The album picks right back up to where it was left off. The Boy now under the thumb of the Pimp and the Priest he recalls all the regrets and woes that he has within his thoughts. He calls for his Mother, Ms. Terri for guidance knowing she will not respond. He reflects what his younger self would think of him now in the situation he is in. He wonders if he can repair himself if he can somehow correct his wrongdoings.

Cascade: The Boy wandering The City, his city he comes to the Church at night and collapse in front of the alter and talks to God about the stress it is to be mayor. He talks about how the decisions he makes now effects everyone in the city. He is constantly being watched with eager eyes of what changes he can make with the great city. The problem is, every problem the boy corrects, there is constant criticism on his projects. He almost mocks the people. "Hate the sinner, not the sin." He stays the night at the Church.

The Most Cursed Hands/Who am I?: The Boy wakes up to the Pimp and the Priest giving a sermon to the congregation about the devil and a gambler and when you want everything, you change to something worse than what you once where. The Boy tries to figure out who he really is in the story, the devil or the gambler. The Boy realizes the only way to get out of the pimp and the priests control is to wait for the right moment. As he leaves the church, the Pimp and the Priest stops him to talk to him about the grand reopening of the Dime.

The Revival: The Dime is reopended bigger and better before becoming a casino where everyone can live the life of luxury. The brothel part of the Dime is more for the high rollers. The Boy sees the monster he has created and regrets even running for mayor. Knowing he is just fueling the enemy. Knowing he is in a position in which he cannot break free from he is in too deep with the Pimp and the Priest now.

Melpomene: Amongst the denizens of The Dime, The Boy meets her officially now amongst the crowd, Ms. Leading they interact realizing just how much time really healed them. They needed eachother, and now as they are older, The Boy loses his guard on her and forgives her.

Mr. Usher (On His Way to Town): Mr. Usher, a new player to the scene arrives to the city, after hearing about the success of the Great Dime. He wants in on it. More cunning than the Pimp and the Priest he is hired as an enforcer for the Dime and tries to find a way to take everything away from the pimp and the priest, thats when he sees The Boy. Knowing he is the mayor he deduces just how control the Pimp and the Priest has on him, he figures he can get what he wants with The Boy.

The Haves Have Naught: Mr. Usher approaches the Boy in the city, requesting to meet the Mayor of the city. Mr. Usher gives him an offer, a way out and way to kick the pimp and the priest out of the picture. They discuss the citizens of the city. As The Boy sees them as people who just try to get by and make the world just a little bit better, Mr. Usher sees them as people who are just trying to make a profit and can be used like how the boy was used. The Boy talks about the pimp and the priest wondering what made him so evil. Mr. Usher leaves the boy to think about his offer.

Light: Though the Lover is no longer is involved with the Boy, she did have a child with them. The Boy meets his son (The Child) and though The Child doesnt or couldn't understand The Boy, he hopes for his child to remember the boy as a man, who like his foreseeable future will also make mistakes and hopes he doesn't make the same mistakes he has made. He confesses everything he has done to his Child.

Gloria: The Boy has a dream of his mother giving him the courage to carry out the plan of Mr. Usher, he realizes this is the chance he needed and there is no backing down. Mr. Usher and The Boy begin their plan.

The Flame (Is Gone): Mr. Usher approaches the Pimp and the Priest and confronts him for the hypocrite that he is. Telling him that his empire will fall and though he may decieve everyone, he cannot decieve no longer when its his time to go. The Pimp and the Priest not understanding him, it buys The Boys time as he sneaks into the Dime and sets it on fire.

The Fire (Remains): The Boy finally accomplishes what Ms. Terri wanted all this time, burning the down the Dime taking the only think the Pimp and the Priest's only think he ever cared about, money. The Pimp and the Priest sees his Dime being set on fire and runs towards it. Mr. Usher gathers what he can steal from the pimp and priest and leaves the city.

The March: The citizens of the city see the Dime and flames and sees the Pimp and the Priest, realizing The Boy did this, he preaches to the crowd and exposes The Boy to who he is, what he's done and convinces The citizens that they need to get rid of such evil, a demon that has decieved the citizens. The citizens agree and corner The Boy.

Blood: The Boy admits to his deception telling the citizens that all he tried to do was really for the greater good. He casts his fake identity and sees his chance and attacks the Pimp and the Priest finally killing him ending his evil knowing that the people will come for him he accepts his fate.

A Beginning: The Boy attacked by the citzens, after witnessing the death of the pimp and the priest by his hand, they beat him until they are satisfied until they know he is dead. The citizens disperse before they can be apprehended by the police. The Boy now alone laying in the streets, barely breathing he contemplates death and what is on the other side, worried he will only meet darkness he is scared. Before his last moments however, he sees Ms. Terri, the Son, he sees the ones who cared about him. They are waiting for him near the Tree. The Boy with his last breaths leave the cruel and bitterworld knowing he will be okay. He is coming home.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3294 on: September 12, 2016, 08:54:40 AM »
My booklet has the lyrics to all songs squashed on two pages. Practically unreadable.

Why is the booklet from this link different?

Don't know.  The pic I posted isn't mine... just a picture floating around that somebody uploaded to the TDH subreddit.

Hey, what'd you think of this? https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDearHunter/comments/51vpf3/the_act_setting_clue_it_might_explain_why_the_boy/

Total coincidence (and a good example of the kind of post that often makes me second guess the time I spend reading through the TDH subreddit...)

That was me.

Lol, no offense meant.  I find so many conflicting theories and interpretations on the subreddit that I often find it more confusing than helpful.  There have been many things about TDH over the years that I have also been very very wrong about myself (which is why I no longer take any of the reddit theories too seriously until Casey has specifically confirmed them).

As for this specific one, I'm pretty sure Casey has said over the years that the there's no specific real world place that's the setting of the story.  I also don't think he has any real connection to the Chicago area as far as I know.  I guess it's possible that one day he just happened to be looking at a map or something and thought "hey that's a cool name", but based on his comments on the latest podcast, it sounds like the biggest reason for all the water metaphors was just the fact that he lived by a shipyard in Boston and it worked his way into the writing.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3295 on: September 12, 2016, 09:51:28 AM »
How did all of you get the album already? It's not out on Spotify yet.
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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3296 on: September 12, 2016, 09:58:17 AM »
How did all of you get the album already? It's not out on Spotify yet.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3297 on: September 12, 2016, 09:58:43 AM »
...Amazon?
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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3298 on: September 12, 2016, 10:09:55 AM »
Yeah, I didn't pre-order this thing, because I didn't have the money this summer. I don't really do illegal downloads, so I guess I'll just wait until it's on Spotify.
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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3299 on: September 12, 2016, 10:11:20 AM »
Pre-ordered here, and got the digital download on Friday.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3300 on: September 12, 2016, 10:12:16 AM »
Pre-ordered here, and got the digital download on Friday.

Same. I believe it will be on Spotify the 16th.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3301 on: September 12, 2016, 10:13:10 AM »
Yeah, I didn't pre-order this thing, because I didn't have the money this summer. I don't really do illegal downloads, so I guess I'll just wait until it's on Spotify.

Yea, I pre-ordered and got the digital download via email. As far as I'm aware it's not on Spotify until Friday but I think you should be able to buy it in record stores??

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3302 on: September 12, 2016, 10:13:47 AM »
I just got it as a normal download from Amazon, no pre-orders or anything.
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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3303 on: September 12, 2016, 10:24:32 AM »
@Kaos2900

I read your spoilers post. Is that just your interpretation or has that been confirmed by Casey as legit?

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3304 on: September 12, 2016, 10:33:22 AM »
Too Early Song Rankings:

1. The Fire (Remains)
2. The Moon/Awake
3. The Flame (Is Gone)
4. The Most Cursed of Hands/Who Am I
5. The March
6. Melpomene
7. Cascade
8. Light
9. Mr. Usher (On His Way To Town)
10. Gloria
11. A Beginning
12. The Haves Have Naught
13. The Revival
14. Blood
15. Regress

Probably going to go through many changes, which is fun. Not a song here I dislike. I feel like Blood hasn't quite clicked with me yet. A Beginning I feel like hasn't as much either. 

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3305 on: September 12, 2016, 12:17:23 PM »
Right, I'm on listen #8. Everything is stepping up a level now. The lyrics are all sinking in and I'm falling deeply in love. To early to say if this can top Act IV but that's irrelevant, its still a kickass album. I'll try and rank the songs later but at the moment I love them all.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3306 on: September 12, 2016, 04:58:01 PM »
@Kaos2900

I read your spoilers post. Is that just your interpretation or has that been confirmed by Casey as legit?

That's from The Lake and The River, the official TDH forum. This guy who interprets the albums each cycle since the first or second one. I'm personally holding out for Heavy Blog Is Heavy, who seem to be way more on point with Casey's vision.

My booklet has the lyrics to all songs squashed on two pages. Practically unreadable.

Why is the booklet from this link different?

Don't know.  The pic I posted isn't mine... just a picture floating around that somebody uploaded to the TDH subreddit.

Hey, what'd you think of this? https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDearHunter/comments/51vpf3/the_act_setting_clue_it_might_explain_why_the_boy/

Total coincidence (and a good example of the kind of post that often makes me second guess the time I spend reading through the TDH subreddit...)

That was me.

Lol, no offense meant.  I find so many conflicting theories and interpretations on the subreddit that I often find it more confusing than helpful.  There have been many things about TDH over the years that I have also been very very wrong about myself (which is why I no longer take any of the reddit theories too seriously until Casey has specifically confirmed them).

As for this specific one, I'm pretty sure Casey has said over the years that the there's no specific real world place that's the setting of the story.  I also don't think he has any real connection to the Chicago area as far as I know.  I guess it's possible that one day he just happened to be looking at a map or something and thought "hey that's a cool name", but based on his comments on the latest podcast, it sounds like the biggest reason for all the water metaphors was just the fact that he lived by a shipyard in Boston and it worked his way into the writing.

No worries, I didn't think you were trying to be hurtful or anything. I admit it is kind of a random guess, but I was in Chicago a couple weekends ago and realized my hotel was on The River North (and just a bridge north of a lake, hence The Lake South). Suffice it to say, I had a sort of a 'holy shit' moment. As for Casey saying it's totally fictional, I thought he'd said the opposite, that it was based on a real place? Maybe I'm misremembering.
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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3307 on: September 12, 2016, 05:14:12 PM »
When I was listening to one of those new podcasts Casey has been featured in the other day, he mentioned something about the name of The Boy. He said something along the lines of "Everyone should have worked out the name of The Boy by now. It's really obvious."

Am I really stupid for missing this? Is it common knowledge what the name of The Boy is? If so, then how have I missed it?  :loser:

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3308 on: September 12, 2016, 05:25:53 PM »
When I was listening to one of those new podcasts Casey has been featured in the other day, he mentioned something about the name of The Boy. He said something along the lines of "Everyone should have worked out the name of The Boy by now. It's really obvious."

This wasn't in the podcast, it was in the live Facebook Q&A.  Somebody asked the name of the Boy and the above quote was his response.  To be honest, when I heard him say that, I assumed it was just a joke and he was messing with people, because that is exactly Casey's sense of humor, but a lot of people seem to have interpreted that to mean that The Boy's name is "Hunter" (I think at one point later in the Q&A Casey himself even referred to The Boy as Hunter).

I'm personally still not convinced that this was an actual reveal and not just a silly Casey-joke, but I seem to be in the minority, so I guess it's possible that the Boy's name really is Hunter.  Maybe Casey and Alex felt like they needed to give him a name for the graphic novels?  I guess we'll find out soon enough.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3309 on: September 12, 2016, 05:35:33 PM »
That's from The Lake and The River, the official TDH forum. This guy who interprets the albums each cycle since the first or second one. I'm personally holding out for Heavy Blog Is Heavy, who seem to be way more on point with Casey's vision.


Has Casey ever weighed on on the prognotes versions?  Tbh I've been a bit out of the loop story-wise ever since Act IV came out and I've really only started catching up on everything again over the past month or so.  I still haven't read through all the prognotes reviews in detail (I'm doing that right now actually), but I've hit some of them here and there.  Some parts feel pretty solid but there are definitely some other parts I disagree with.

I really can't wait for the graphic novels to come out, as those will definitely clear up all the issues.  I always go back and forth between how much I want to even read about interpretations of the story, as sometimes they just ended creating more confusion than anything else, especially when it comes to Act IV (Act V still TBD).

Also should be nice once people start being able to reveal what they learned during Story Time... It sounds like Casey is revealing quite a bit during those sessions.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3310 on: September 12, 2016, 05:39:18 PM »
When I was listening to one of those new podcasts Casey has been featured in the other day, he mentioned something about the name of The Boy. He said something along the lines of "Everyone should have worked out the name of The Boy by now. It's really obvious."

This wasn't in the podcast, it was in the live Facebook Q&A.  Somebody asked the name of the Boy and the above quote was his response.  To be honest, when I heard him say that, I assumed it was just a joke and he was messing with people, because that is exactly Casey's sense of humor, but a lot of people seem to have interpreted that to mean that The Boy's name is "Hunter" (I think at one point later in the Q&A Casey himself even referred to The Boy as Hunter).

I'm personally still not convinced that this was an actual reveal and not just a silly Casey-joke, but I seem to be in the minority, so I guess it's possible that the Boy's name really is Hunter.  Maybe Casey and Alex felt like they needed to give him a name for the graphic novels?  I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Ok yeah, that makes sense as I watched some of that live Q&A. I wasn't sure if he was serious or not. As I've only been a fan for about 2 years I didn't know if this was something that had been discussed previously and all the hardcore fans knew the name of The Boy. I think calling him Hunter is quite lame, I hope that's not the case.

My only thought was that he was actually called River and that when he sings about straying too far from the lake and the river he means straying too far from home, but also straying too far from himself and the boy he used to be. I think I prefer that to Hunter, but that's just me.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3311 on: September 12, 2016, 06:04:44 PM »
I'm just gonna leave this here as a reminder of how insanely intricate and well-planned out these Acts have been.

This is picture of the last postcard from the Act III deluxe version.  The numbers are a code that translates to "I was his boundary. I am his purgatory. I will be his heaven."

I had a recollection of the code, but it wasn't until I just looked back through the cards about 10 minutes ago that I remembered there was also a message written underneath the code...


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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3312 on: September 12, 2016, 07:46:16 PM »
Casey said in a recent podcast that he's actually planning on doing that  :biggrin:

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3313 on: September 13, 2016, 06:11:24 AM »
That's from The Lake and The River, the official TDH forum. This guy who interprets the albums each cycle since the first or second one. I'm personally holding out for Heavy Blog Is Heavy, who seem to be way more on point with Casey's vision.


Has Casey ever weighed on on the prognotes versions?

I don't actually know. However, one thing HBIH has over the forum guy is they actually analyze the lyrics. I get the sense the forum guy is sorta improvising a bit.
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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3314 on: September 13, 2016, 06:41:22 AM »
Just an FYI that my post has not been confirmed by Casey. Found it on the intranets.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3315 on: September 13, 2016, 12:00:06 PM »
That's from The Lake and The River, the official TDH forum. This guy who interprets the albums each cycle since the first or second one. I'm personally holding out for Heavy Blog Is Heavy, who seem to be way more on point with Casey's vision.


Has Casey ever weighed on on the prognotes versions?

I don't actually know. However, one thing HBIH has over the forum guy is they actually analyze the lyrics. I get the sense the forum guy is sorta improvising a bit.

Well part of it is that Dormin's analysis is meant to be more of an "overview".  A lot of his early interpretations came from his conversations with Casey and input from other people who had spoken to Casey (he used to be a lot more accessible in those early days).  I think his later interpretations don't have quite as much input, but I believe he also revises those based on feedback.

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« Reply #3316 on: September 13, 2016, 12:40:54 PM »
And let's face it: his weak grasp on spelling, grammar and syntax make it difficult to take him too seriously. Every time I revisit that post I feel like I'm reading a Livejournal entry.
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« Reply #3317 on: September 13, 2016, 05:26:17 PM »
ACT V may be my favorite album from them.  As a collection of songs, I think I prefer Act III, but as a cohesive, listen-straight-through experience, i think Act V takes it.
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« Reply #3318 on: September 13, 2016, 05:51:07 PM »
Amazon says it will take 2-5 weeks to deliver.  Seeing as I don't have a permanent residency at the moment, that window doesn't work.  Does anyone know if there is a distribution issue or if it is a very limited run?
     

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« Reply #3319 on: September 13, 2016, 07:24:13 PM »
ACT V may be my favorite album from them.  As a collection of songs, I think I prefer Act III, but as a cohesive, listen-straight-through experience, i think Act V takes it.

My thoughts exactly.
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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3320 on: September 13, 2016, 07:26:50 PM »
And let's face it: his weak grasp on spelling, grammar and syntax make it difficult to take him too seriously. Every time I revisit that post I feel like I'm reading a Livejournal entry.

Lol, fair enough.

I've been thinking about it more and I think I've realized what it is I like about Dormin's version - his version is not static, and he revises it and updates it as new info comes in.  I'm working through the prognotes reviews and they're definitely much more detailed and get way deeper into the story, so I guess in that sense it's inevitable that something that intricate would have to have more flaws as well.

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3321 on: September 13, 2016, 07:32:30 PM »
And let's face it: his weak grasp on spelling, grammar and syntax make it difficult to take him too seriously. Every time I revisit that post I feel like I'm reading a Livejournal entry.

Lol, fair enough.

I've been thinking about it more and I think I've realized what it is I like about Dormin's version - his version is not static, and he revises it and updates it as new info comes in.  I'm working through the prognotes reviews and they're definitely much more detailed and get way deeper into the story, so I guess in that sense it's inevitable that something that intricate would have to have more flaws as well.

Your ADHD version way upthread is my favorite summary.  I need to go back and look, so see what you've said vs what was my interpretation later on.
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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3322 on: September 14, 2016, 07:36:04 AM »
I think after a few listens over the weekend of Act 5 my order of Dear Hunter albums is...

The Colour Spectrum.
Act 3
Act 4
Act 5
Act 2
Migrant
Act 1


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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3323 on: September 14, 2016, 08:26:38 AM »
TCS
Act II
Act IV
Act V
Act I
Act III
Migrant

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Re: The Dear Hunter - Act V: Hymns with the Devil in Confessional (Pg 90)
« Reply #3324 on: September 14, 2016, 08:31:27 AM »
I tried ranking them but it's just not possible at this stage. All I know is The Color Spectrum would come in last.
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