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Did the U.S. Have Just or Moral Reasons to Declare War on Mexico and Subsequently Take More than Half of its Territory?

No, the U.S.'s Actions and (and their results) Were Not Justified
11 (73.3%)
Yes, the U.S.'s Actions (and their results) Were Justified
4 (26.7%)
Conflicted; Not Sure
0 (0%)

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Offline Omega

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US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« on: October 20, 2011, 07:08:32 PM »
Did the U.S. have just reasons to declare war on the Mexico and subsequently take more than half of its territory?

Or did the U.S. simply take malevolent advantage of a much younger, weaker, decentralized country at the time merely to obtain more land?

Thoughts?
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Offline Perpetual Change

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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2011, 07:10:58 PM »
Ulysses S. Grant had the right of it (as per Wikipedia):

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Generally, the officers of the army were indifferent whether the annexation was consummated or not; but not so all of them. For myself, I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation. It was an instance of a republic following the bad example of European monarchies, in not considering justice in their desire to acquire additional territory.

The real tragedy, though, is now half the nation wants us to start building a fence to keep those people out. How quickly we forget.
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Offline Scheavo

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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 07:55:12 PM »
Evidently I'm stupid and accidentally voted for yes.

Aggression is never justified.
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Offline William Wallace

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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 11:05:00 PM »
Quote from: Perpetual Change on October 20, 2011, 07:10:58 PM
How quickly we forget.
...or never knew. After all, we are talking about history.
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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 11:42:18 PM »
Honestly I'm indifferent, and support the gate :L
Sorry, but even being a liberal, whats done in history is done taking territory has always been a part of territory.
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Offline Super Dude

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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2011, 05:45:59 PM »
What is the official justification for the war anyway? Just a land grab or what?
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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2011, 05:47:50 PM »
One of the reasons Polk is one of our greatest presidents.
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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2011, 06:25:23 PM »
Manifest Destiny as its finest; subsequently, the Gold Rush.
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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2011, 07:28:32 PM »
Quote from: Dark Castle on October 20, 2011, 11:42:18 PM
Honestly I'm indifferent, and support the gate :L
Sorry, but even being a liberal, whats done in history is done taking territory has always been a part of territory.
I guess you should tell the Muslims that Jerusalem has always belonged to the State of Israel and the Dalai Lama that Tibet has always been part of China.
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Offline Super Dude

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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2011, 07:48:53 PM »
Quote from: slycordinator on October 23, 2011, 07:28:32 PM
Quote from: Dark Castle on October 20, 2011, 11:42:18 PM
Honestly I'm indifferent, and support the gate :L
Sorry, but even being a liberal, whats done in history is done taking territory has always been a part of territory.
I guess you should tell the Muslims that Jerusalem has always belonged to the State of Israel and the Dalai Lama that Tibet has always been part of China.

Oh boy, let's not open this can o' worms... :lol
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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2011, 08:06:56 PM »
I wasn't intending it to bring a big discussion about those 2 examples. Just using them to point out that it makes no sense to say "Now that [territory Y] has become part of [country X] it has always been part of [country X]."
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Re: US Justification in the Mexican-American War?
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2011, 08:11:58 PM »
I mean who determines what belongs to whom? At one point, half of Europe belonged to France, and on the other hand Pakistan belonged to India. Who gets to say what land belongs to which nation-state?
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