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Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« on: October 13, 2011, 05:00:18 PM »
I feel like SC is starting to age postively for the community, but BCSL is not.  Where are we at now? How do they compare?
 
To me, they both have some really solid parts.  I think that BCSL definitely has better individual moments than SC (end of TCOT, intro to ANTR, Beautiful Agony, JP solo in TSF) but all of BCSL's songs have some issues, such as being too long or including pointless instrumental duels.  SC, on the other hand, has some solid, solid songs that I can't find issues with (ITPOE, CM, Forsaken).
 
Right now, I'm voting "tied" because I really can't decide.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2011, 05:02:01 PM »
BCSL by a considerable margin.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2011, 05:03:42 PM »
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 05:04:38 PM »
SC. Minus the verses in Constant Motion.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 05:06:08 PM »
My vote goes for BC&SL. Both albums are not perfect, but SC is less perfect... it has some great moments like JP solo in TMOLS, but BC&SL is just better.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 05:06:55 PM »
Looks like people still really hate SC! :lol
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2011, 05:10:09 PM »
BC&SL for me, SC has to many weak points for me, still good album but BC&SC feels much more solid to me.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2011, 05:18:42 PM »
BC&SL easily.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2011, 05:18:54 PM »
I've always preferred Systematic Chaos.

Both have 2 awesome songs - ITPOE (counting it as 1) & TMOLS on Systematic Chaos and ANTR & TCOT on Black Clouds. I prefer ITPOE to TCOT and TMOLS to ANTR.

Plus, aside from those 2 songs on Black Clouds, I find the rest of the album pretty weak except parts of TSF. The only song I really dislike on SC is Repentance.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2011, 05:22:53 PM »
BCaSL. SC is very near the bottom of my DT list.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2011, 05:24:05 PM »
Systematic Chaos is the worst DT album. BC&SL is in the top 5. BC&SL.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2011, 05:44:59 PM »
Both are nowhere near their best, but definitely BCSL.


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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2011, 05:50:50 PM »
Black Clouds, though my opinion of the album has dropped significantly over time. It's got parts of songs that are good, like the first half of ANTR and the beginning/ending of TBOT, and it's got two very high quality songs: TCOT and TSF. A Rite of Passage and Wither aren't all too bad, either.

Systematic Chaos may have ITPOE, Repentance, and The Dark Eternal Night, but the only one of those that beats the high points of BC&SL is ITPOE, and the low points of SC are almost as bad as FII's lows.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2011, 05:57:35 PM »
Systematic Chaos. Sure Black Clouds has The Count and The Shattered Fortress, but Systematic Chaos' only major flaw is PoW. Both are still bottom feeders.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2011, 05:59:24 PM »
Quote from: Ħ on October 13, 2011, 05:00:18 PM
I feel like SC is starting to age postively for the community, but BCSL is not.  Where are we at now? How do they compare?


I don't see that at all.  It seems like the vast majority still considers it one of their two or three least best albums, and definitely one of the two least best albums of the Rudess era.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2011, 06:05:38 PM »
Quote from: KevShmev on October 13, 2011, 05:59:24 PM
Quote from: Ħ on October 13, 2011, 05:00:18 PM
I feel like SC is starting to age postively for the community, but BCSL is not.  Where are we at now? How do they compare?


I don't see that at all.  It seems like the vast majority still considers it one of their two or three least best albums, and definitely one of the two least best albums of the Rudess era.
It's okay to use the word "worst".
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2011, 06:07:05 PM »
Unless it doesn't apply.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2011, 06:10:58 PM »
Quote from: bosk1 on October 13, 2011, 06:07:05 PM
Unless it doesn't apply.
It does. "Least best" is what "worst" means. Meanwhile, "least best" is itself a rather nonsensical (and utterly ungrammatical) contradiction.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2011, 06:16:19 PM »
Quote from: theseoafs on October 13, 2011, 06:10:58 PM
Quote from: bosk1 on October 13, 2011, 06:07:05 PM
Unless it doesn't apply.
It does. "Least best" is what "worst" means.

Technically true, but 'worst' has a connotation of 'bad'.  If a person likes all the DT albums, they might want to avoid that negative connotation.  The real question is, why do you care?

Anyway, I'm actually going with Systematic Chaos on this one.  For a long time I would have said BC&SL, but SC has been growing on me lately.   Plus, BC&SL has two of the least best (;)) Dream Theater songs. 
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2011, 06:16:51 PM »
Worst implies bad; least best implies that something is still good, but simply not as good as everything else.  In short, it sounds nicer.  :)
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2011, 09:20:35 PM »
BC&SL - It gets more play from me than SC does lately, despite having AROP.

I will say, though, that SC has aged well with me, but I still prefer BC&SL over it.

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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2011, 09:31:18 PM »
Systematic Chaos I'm in the minority its a landslide and easy choice for me.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2011, 10:12:11 PM »
Quote from: jcmistat on October 13, 2011, 09:31:18 PM
Systematic Chaos I'm in the minority its a landslide and easy choice for me.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2011, 10:13:15 PM »
SC is easily my least favorite. BCSL might be my 9th
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2011, 10:48:59 PM »
I don't really care for either of them, so its a deadlock.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2011, 11:07:57 PM »
Tough call for me. They both have their incredible moments, and they both have their weaker points. SC has CM and TDEN which are both top songs for me, but BCASL has ANTR and TCOT which are also top songs.
I think I'll vote with SC for consistency though. I like more songs on SC than from BCASL.

Both are underrated though, especially SC. Of course I mean here. They seem to be quite liked by the general fanbase when you see them live. :tup
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2011, 11:13:31 PM »
Quote from: jcmistat on October 13, 2011, 09:31:18 PM
Systematic Chaos I'm in the minority its a landslide and easy choice for me.


Me too. I love ITPOE 1 & 2, Forsaken, TMOLS and POW. On BC&SL I love... well, Wither.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2011, 12:32:43 AM »
BCSL
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2011, 12:39:40 AM »
SYSTEMATIC CHAOS BY FAR . it is a Great Album . it is definetly not their worst album .

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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2011, 01:47:13 AM »
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 13, 2011, 11:07:57 PM
Tough call for me. They both have their incredible moments, and they both have their weaker points. SC has CM and TDEN which are both top songs for me

lol

I'm just gonna stop arguing with you about anything DT related because that sentence alone proves there will never be any common ground for agreement.

Somehow, though, I'm also voting them as a tie. For completely different reasons.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2011, 01:50:44 AM »
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2011, 01:52:03 AM »
Quote from: Perpetual Change on October 14, 2011, 01:47:13 AM
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 13, 2011, 11:07:57 PM
Tough call for me. They both have their incredible moments, and they both have their weaker points. SC has CM and TDEN which are both top songs for me

lol

I'm just gonna stop arguing with you about anything DT related because that sentence alone proves there will never be any common ground for agreement.

What a huge loss. I really love having intelligent discussions with people who dismiss opinions they don't understand with "lol".  :yeahright
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2011, 01:59:14 AM »
Black Clouds by a mile. Systematic Chaos is my least favorite Dream Theater album.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2011, 02:14:54 AM »
Quote from: Syzzle on October 13, 2011, 05:18:42 PM
BC&SL easily.

Yeah. SC is 2nd to last on my ranking, while BCSL is somwhere in the middle.
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Re: Systematic Chaos vs Black Clouds
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2011, 03:02:33 AM »
Quote from: BlobVanDam on October 14, 2011, 01:52:03 AM
What a huge loss. I really love having intelligent discussions with people who dismiss opinions they don't understand with "lol".  :yeahright

I'm joking. God damn man.
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