Obama is not a good speaker and doesn't seem that intellegent

[PraXis]

Uh oh, the teleprompter was stolen!

https://www.nbc12.com/story/15716468/thieves-steal-truck-with-presidents-equipment

I hope they track that kind of stuff.

[kirksnosehair]

Yeah, I can't really get on board at all with Bush being "smart" sorry.  Too much good evidence to the contrary.

As a businessman he was an abject failure

And as a President, well, even most of my conservative friends agree his presidency was horrible.  Nope, I think he's about as sharp as a bag full of bowling balls.

[Super Dude]

Yeah, I can't really get on board at all with Bush being "smart" sorry.  Too much good evidence to the contrary.

As a businessman he was an abject failure

And as a President, well, even most of my conservative friends agree his presidency was horrible.  Nope, I think he's about as sharp as a bag full of bowling balls.

Good find, particularly this quote:

George W. Bush's businesses fail but he makes millions.

Seems Dear Leader isn't so different from the people the 99% are angry at.

[kirksnosehair]

Yeah, I can't really get on board at all with Bush being "smart" sorry.  Too much good evidence to the contrary.

As a businessman he was an abject failure

And as a President, well, even most of my conservative friends agree his presidency was horrible.  Nope, I think he's about as sharp as a bag full of bowling balls.

Good find, particularly this quote:

George W. Bush's businesses fail but he makes millions.

Seems Dear Leader isn't so different from the people the 99% are angry at.

Yeah, if you dig a little deeper, it becomes more and more obvious that his extremely rich family most likely bailed him out of most of those business dealings.

My point, though, mainly is that Bush is not very intelligent at all.  You contrast his demeanor ("I'm The Decider!") and his regular butchering of the English language, literally to the point of national embarrassment, with that of Obama and it's no contest.  Obama is brighter, has better diplomatic and business acumen, and has been much more openly welcomed around the world than Bush ever was.  Bush was a laughingstock and a national embarrassment.    Obama speaks and uses a teleprompter and that's the biggest gripe conservatives have about him?  Please. 

[PraXis]

Obama got the largest donations in history from Wall St

[Perpetual Change]

Obama got the largest donations in history from Wall St

And, interestingly enough, Wall Street donors are now moving their tents over to the Romney campaign.

Does anyone know what the relationship between a candidate winning and a candidate raising the most Wall Street money is? I'd be curious to know whether the candidate who raises less money ever actually loses. I can see it happening, but I'm willing to guess it happens a lot less often than not.

Another thing: Why do big-time investors and financiers like Warren Buffet and George Soros support Obama if he's a "socialist"? What's the relationship there? Do these guys and others like them actually believe in the tenants of big-government, or do they just view Uncle Sam as another investor whom they can make money off?

[antigoon]

Big time investors and banks support both parties because that way, they win no matter what. I suspect those two's ideals just line up with the D's values though.

Nobody in his right mind actually thinks Obama is a socialist. 

[PraXis]

Big time investors and banks support both parties because that way, they win no matter what. I suspect those two's ideals just line up with the D's values though.

Nobody in his right mind actually thinks Obama is a socialist.

Very true. Socialists don't want state control over private entities, such as the commies and marxists do. 

[Super Dude]

@PC: Money is the fuel politics runs on. That's no conspiracy theory or anything either; look where Bachmann is, she couldn't raise enough funds to keep the train running.

[livehard]

Yeah, I can't really get on board at all with Bush being "smart" sorry.  Too much good evidence to the contrary.

As a businessman he was an abject failure

And as a President, well, even most of my conservative friends agree his presidency was horrible.  Nope, I think he's about as sharp as a bag full of bowling balls.

Good find, particularly this quote:

George W. Bush's businesses fail but he makes millions.

Seems Dear Leader isn't so different from the people the 99% are angry at.

Yeah, if you dig a little deeper, it becomes more and more obvious that his extremely rich family most likely bailed him out of most of those business dealings.

My point, though, mainly is that Bush is not very intelligent at all.  You contrast his demeanor ("I'm The Decider!") and his regular butchering of the English language, literally to the point of national embarrassment, with that of Obama and it's no contest.  Obama is brighter, has better diplomatic and business acumen, and has been much more openly welcomed around the world than Bush ever was.  Bush was a laughingstock and a national embarrassment.    Obama speaks and uses a teleprompter and that's the biggest gripe conservatives have about him?  Please.

You can't measure his intellegence by whether he succeeded at business.   I would say that Obama has much less business accumen (he's never worked in business) and has no diplomatic ability.  All he does is go an apologize around the world.  thats not diplomatic, its pathetic.  Obama sounds lost and unconfident in his throughts when he speaks off the cuff.

Once again though, stop talking about Bush, bush has no levity in this conversation.  The fact is that Obama seems completely incompetent and lost in this job.  He has no idea how to create jobs and he refuses to listen to the business community concerning it. You have this academic who's been teaching from a book or working for some beucratic system all his life.

I knew it once I heard him talking about wealth being a pie that needs to be divided.  Thats such a stupid interpretation of how the economy works.  Its so typical of a uneducated left wing loon job that doens't take the care to study the issue and rather defaults to the uneducated populist sentiment.  How is this person, who has such simpleminded views of how the world works, in charge of our economy?  Another example is his obsession with "shovel-ready" jobs.  He has this romantic idea that somehow manual labor and manufacturing jobs are nobeler than other types.  This is completely asinine.  He wants to create jobs for the sake of creating jobs.  He doesn't care at all about output, what he cares about is spending.  And this is the crux of the fallacy that is keynsian economics.

Fact is that his policies have completely failed.  The country is worse off today, and especially the business I am in we see exactly how government regulation is getting in the way trade.

[Dark Castle]

Excuse me but pathetic?  Your insults on Obama are baseless and you revolve around the fact that being a teacher or community organizer is not a real job so he has no business experience.  And Obama just going around the world apologizing?  Thats not true at all.

[livehard]

Excuse me but pathetic?  Your insults on Obama are baseless and you revolve around the fact that being a teacher or community organizer is not a real job so he has no business experience.  And Obama just going around the world apologizing?  Thats not true at all.

I would easily take a failed businessman over a community organizer! People fail at things, and that doesn't necissarily mean that he's stupid.  Business is tough, community organizing is much simplier i'd imagine.

[XJDenton]

You'd imagine? So you don't actually know.

[El Barto]

Excuse me but pathetic?  Your insults on Obama are baseless and you revolve around the fact that being a teacher or community organizer is not a real job so he has no business experience.  And Obama just going around the world apologizing?  Thats not true at all.

I would easily take a failed businessman over a community organizer! People fail at things, and that doesn't necissarily mean that he's stupid.  Business is tough, community organizing is much simplier i'd imagine.

You keep telling people this isn't about Bush, yet you keep using Bush as a yardstick.  The bigger problem is that you keep touting the benefits of Bush's practical business experience,  yet ignoring the fact that in every conceivable measure,  Bush was a miserable failure.  I happen to agree that Obama sucks,  but the notion that he sucks because he doesn't have Bush's business acumen,  and my God what a joke that was,  is spectacularly shallow. 

I'll also point out that you continue to gloss over or re-define anything that get's in the way of your Obama hatred.  Really hard to take you seriously at all when you decry Obama's community organizing background and laud St. Reagan with his two-bit actor resume.  There's nothing more pathetic than a position that's wrong as all fuck, despite having the benefit of a completely flexible reality that could back up any possible supposition. 

[Dark Castle]

Excuse me but pathetic?  Your insults on Obama are baseless and you revolve around the fact that being a teacher or community organizer is not a real job so he has no business experience.  And Obama just going around the world apologizing?  Thats not true at all.

I would easily take a failed businessman over a community organizer! People fail at things, and that doesn't necissarily mean that he's stupid.  Business is tough, community organizing is much simplier i'd imagine.

You keep telling people this isn't about Bush, yet you keep using Bush as a yardstick.  The bigger problem is that you keep touting the benefits of Bush's practical business experience,  yet ignoring the fact that in every conceivable measure,  Bush was a miserable failure.  I happen to agree that Obama sucks,  but the notion that he sucks because he doesn't have Bush's business acumen,  and my God what a joke that was,  is spectacularly shallow. 

I'll also point out that you continue to gloss over or re-define anything that get's in the way of your Obama hatred.  Really hard to take you seriously at all when you decry Obama's community organizing background and laud St. Reagan with his two-bit actor resume.  There's nothing more pathetic than a position that's wrong as all fuck, despite having the benefit of a completely flexible reality that could back up any possible supposition.

This, but I'm an Obama boy.

[kirksnosehair]

Yeah, I can't really get on board at all with Bush being "smart" sorry.  Too much good evidence to the contrary.

As a businessman he was an abject failure

And as a President, well, even most of my conservative friends agree his presidency was horrible.  Nope, I think he's about as sharp as a bag full of bowling balls.

Good find, particularly this quote:

George W. Bush's businesses fail but he makes millions.

Seems Dear Leader isn't so different from the people the 99% are angry at.

Yeah, if you dig a little deeper, it becomes more and more obvious that his extremely rich family most likely bailed him out of most of those business dealings.

My point, though, mainly is that Bush is not very intelligent at all.  You contrast his demeanor ("I'm The Decider!") and his regular butchering of the English language, literally to the point of national embarrassment, with that of Obama and it's no contest.  Obama is brighter, has better diplomatic and business acumen, and has been much more openly welcomed around the world than Bush ever was.  Bush was a laughingstock and a national embarrassment.    Obama speaks and uses a teleprompter and that's the biggest gripe conservatives have about him?  Please.

You can't measure his intellegence by whether he succeeded at business. 

And yet, that's exactly what I just did.  And I cited objective, factual historical data on his numerous epic failures as a businessman to back it up. 

[livehard]

Yeah, I can't really get on board at all with Bush being "smart" sorry.  Too much good evidence to the contrary.

As a businessman he was an abject failure

And as a President, well, even most of my conservative friends agree his presidency was horrible.  Nope, I think he's about as sharp as a bag full of bowling balls.

Good find, particularly this quote:

George W. Bush's businesses fail but he makes millions.

Seems Dear Leader isn't so different from the people the 99% are angry at.

Yeah, if you dig a little deeper, it becomes more and more obvious that his extremely rich family most likely bailed him out of most of those business dealings.

My point, though, mainly is that Bush is not very intelligent at all.  You contrast his demeanor ("I'm The Decider!") and his regular butchering of the English language, literally to the point of national embarrassment, with that of Obama and it's no contest.  Obama is brighter, has better diplomatic and business acumen, and has been much more openly welcomed around the world than Bush ever was.  Bush was a laughingstock and a national embarrassment.    Obama speaks and uses a teleprompter and that's the biggest gripe conservatives have about him?  Please.

You can't measure his intellegence by whether he succeeded at business. 

And yet, that's exactly what I just did.  And I cited objective, factual historical data on his numerous epic failures as a businessman to back it up.

how are you equating failing in business to intellegence? What is your model, can you mathematically describe the how Intellegence is a function of success in business?

What about Henry Ford, Bill Gates, Edison, etc...  They all had failed at some point during business.  I worked with someone who just lost aproximately 250 million in a investment into hollywood.  He most definitely was not stupid.  He was very well spoken, quick, good at math, just an all around logical person.  I didn't give him one but I bet if you tested his IQ it would yield a higher than average result.

This is the problem, its such a simplistic thinking to equate business success to intellegence.  I belive in Galdwell's outliers, he reffers to a study done to track people through their proessional careers after testing their intellegence while still in school.  The test proved there is no correlation between professional success in IQ.

But thats not really the point.  The point is at least he tried, at least he competed in the marketplace.  So you fail, so what? At least he's out there in the marketplace.  I'd take 1 failed busienssmen over 100 community organizers...  What a joke of a profession.

[antigoon]

How could you say that when you admitted yourself you don't even know what a community organizer does?

[livehard]

How could you say that when you admitted yourself you don't even know what a community organizer does?

Pretty easily, because I know they arern't doing, which comprises a broad range of productive activities.

[kirksnosehair]

How could you say that when you admitted yourself you don't even know what a community organizer does?

so I am guessing

Sorry, I caught that part before you edited it out.  My point being, you're really just kind of flinging rhetorical poo at Obama because you don't like him.  You keep harping on the community organizer thing as if it involved crime or something.  So he was a community organizer?  Why is it such a monumental issue for you?

George W. Bush was a cheerleader for god sakes 

[livehard]

Because it is such a poetic example of the shallowness of the man.  It is an explination of how he became to believe in such intellecutally vacant ideas about how the economy works.


Concerning the organizing: I dont think you understand.  how about this for what he did: virtually nothing.  Does that answer work for you?

[livehard]

Yeah, I can't really get on board at all with Bush being "smart" sorry.  Too much good evidence to the contrary.

As a businessman he was an abject failure

And as a President, well, even most of my conservative friends agree his presidency was horrible.  Nope, I think he's about as sharp as a bag full of bowling balls.

By the way that link is insane.  Bush's track record wouldnt reflect an abject failure.... It looks like he made quite a good living for himself through business. Especially on the rangers... but that used public funds.  still better than obama's organizing the community.   But I don't care about Bush, this thread isn't about him.

[antigoon]

This is getting really silly.

lock it if ya want

[Dark Castle]

Because it is such a poetic example of the shallowness of the man.  It is an explination of how he became to believe in such intellecutally vacant ideas about how the economy works.


Concerning the organizing: I dont think you understand.  how about this for what he did: virtually nothing.  Does that answer work for you?

At this point it is painfully obvious you are pulling stuff out of thin air.

[livehard]

Im really not.  To me, after listening to the man speak, if you had told me what he had done for a living prior to public service, I wouldn't have been suprised.  It really sounds like someone who had been removed from the world of trade.

[Super Dude]

Yeah, I can't really get on board at all with Bush being "smart" sorry.  Too much good evidence to the contrary.

As a businessman he was an abject failure

And as a President, well, even most of my conservative friends agree his presidency was horrible.  Nope, I think he's about as sharp as a bag full of bowling balls.

By the way that link is insane.  Bush's track record wouldnt reflect an abject failure.... It looks like he made quite a good living for himself through business. Especially on the rangers... but that used public funds.  still better than obama's organizing the community.   But I don't care about Bush, this thread isn't about him.

That he did, by screwing others.

Please lock.

[yeshaberto]

It is clear this thread has run its course