Author Topic: Take back any benefit of the doubt you ever gave Fox News (Read 26387 times)

jsem · « **Reply #210 on:** December 13, 2011, 02:43:52 PM »

Quote from: bosk1 on December 13, 2011, 02:24:31 PM

Okay. I'm just saying it doesn't bother me much. I mean, does it bother me that we have a corrupt and unreliable news media (as a whole, on both sides of the aisle, IMO)? Yeah. But I take that for granted. And given that, even assuming this was done on purpose (which I don't know), it just strikes me as such a small, insignificant drop in the bucket that it doesn't really phase me.

Both sides of the aisle? Please. There is no left mainstream media, and no true conservative mainstream media either. They're all biased in favor of corporate interest (Fox News being the worst of them all because they're very partisan). There are some exceptions in some places though, MSNBC has surprisingly good political commentators, Fox Business host both Freedom Watch and Stossel.

bosk1 · « **Reply #211 on:** December 13, 2011, 02:48:58 PM »

The one HUGE downside to being the forum admin is that I can't put people who fail to grasp the most simple, straightforward points on an ignore list.

Super Dude · « **Reply #212 on:** December 13, 2011, 02:50:06 PM »

Bosk @ your comment about no such thing as a conservative American president: actually, even Obama is pretty far to the right compared to equivalent leaders in other developed nations. In fact, American politics as a whole is pretty conservative; even our liberalism is by the standards of other nations.

El Barto · « **Reply #213 on:** December 13, 2011, 03:02:23 PM »

Quote from: bosk1 on December 13, 2011, 02:48:58 PM

The one HUGE downside to being the forum admin is that I can't put people who fail to grasp the most simple, straightforward points on an ignore list.

Let's not go confusing the difference between failing to grasp and just finding utterly bogus.

antigoon · « **Reply #214 on:** December 13, 2011, 03:11:30 PM »

I get what Bosk is saying in some sense. It doesn't seem like a huge deal because it's just not surprising anymore that this stuff happens.

That doesn't make it OK, though.

Perpetual Change · « **Reply #215 on:** December 13, 2011, 06:38:36 PM »

Quote from: antigoon on December 13, 2011, 03:11:30 PM

I get what Bosk is saying in some sense. It doesn't seem like a huge deal because it's just not surprising anymore that this stuff happens.

That doesn't make it OK, though.

Yeah, but it's Fox, where stuff "happens" all the time.

You can dismiss it as the news media in general simply being corrupt, but there is little doubt that Fox is by far the worst of the cable news networks.

antigoon · « **Reply #216 on:** December 13, 2011, 07:26:45 PM »

Indeed.

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #217 on:** December 14, 2011, 12:27:19 AM »

And in truth.

j · « **Reply #218 on:** December 14, 2011, 01:01:35 AM »

Quote from: jsem on December 13, 2011, 02:43:52 PM

MSNBC has surprisingly good political commentators

Oh, Jesus.

-J

Scheavo · « **Reply #219 on:** December 14, 2011, 01:08:09 AM »

Quote from: bosk1 on December 13, 2011, 02:48:58 PM

The one HUGE downside to being the forum admin is that I can't put people who fail to grasp the most simple, straightforward points on an ignore list.

You said yourself that you don't watch Fox News. Would you, and you'd see what everyone is talking about, and why there's such a huge gripe. There's a huge difference between the unavoidable bias you are going to have as a news organization, and the intentional bias by Fox News. There's also a difference between this kind of yellow journalism, and simply bad / corrupt journalism. Your point applies to a lot of "conservative" vs "liberal" media, but it just does not apply to Fox News. They are objectively worse, and studies prove it.

Implode · « **Reply #220 on:** December 14, 2011, 01:09:27 AM »

Of course every news source is going to be biased. Unfortunately, Fox News tends to talk about their news in ways that commonly leads to misinformation.

jsem · « **Reply #221 on:** December 14, 2011, 08:27:40 AM »

Quote from: j on December 14, 2011, 01:01:35 AM

Quote from: jsem on December 13, 2011, 02:43:52 PM
MSNBC has surprisingly good political commentators

Oh, Jesus.

-J

What. For being mainstream media. You would've expected a lot worse from corporate overlords.

Everything is relative.

kirksnosehair · « **Reply #222 on:** December 14, 2011, 08:31:37 AM »

Relative? Maybe, but MSNBC is definitely not objective in terms of political commentary.

Unless you weren't meaning to imply that they're objective?

jsem · « **Reply #223 on:** December 14, 2011, 08:40:23 AM »

Of course not. No one is. I'm just saying, that among the bigger US news outlets, they're the lesser evil.

7StringedBeast · « **Reply #224 on:** December 14, 2011, 08:41:16 AM »

Quote from: jsem on December 14, 2011, 08:40:23 AM

Of course not. No one is. I'm just saying, that among the bigger US news outlets, they're the lesser evil.

Than CNN?

antigoon · « **Reply #225 on:** December 14, 2011, 09:41:16 AM »

Dylan Ratigan is legit. No partisan allegiance, talks about money in politics like every day, etc etc.

Chris Matthews though? fuck that guy.

tjanuranus · « **Reply #226 on:** December 14, 2011, 10:50:44 AM »

Quote from: AngelBack on September 21, 2011, 10:13:33 PM

I'm encouraged about the interest in reality, the beginning of wisdom is an acknowlegement of lack of understanding. So, we will start with the basics:

1. There is a God
2. There is a right and wrong
3. You have to learn the right and wrong.

Once you get these down, let me know.

You believe there is a god. Big difference. You sir have forgotten the face of your father.

Scheavo · « **Reply #227 on:** December 14, 2011, 02:31:37 PM »

Quote from: kirksnosehair on December 14, 2011, 08:31:37 AM

Relative? Maybe, but MSNBC is definitely not objective in terms of political commentary.

Unless you weren't meaning to imply that they're objective?

Can be biased, but still intelligent and have an opinion worth hearing. Fox news is biased, and just downright factually wrong.

kirksnosehair · « **Reply #228 on:** December 14, 2011, 05:44:34 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl4ZaI_Teoc

kirksnosehair · « **Reply #229 on:** December 14, 2011, 05:46:10 PM »

Quote from: Scheavo on December 14, 2011, 02:31:37 PM

Quote from: kirksnosehair on December 14, 2011, 08:31:37 AM
Relative? Maybe, but MSNBC is definitely not objective in terms of political commentary.

Unless you weren't meaning to imply that they're objective?

Can be biased, but still intelligent and have an opinion worth hearing. Fox news is biased, and just downright factually wrong.

And I denied that when?

Perpetual Change · « **Reply #230 on:** December 14, 2011, 06:08:29 PM »

Quote from: kirksnosehair on December 14, 2011, 08:31:37 AM

Relative? Maybe, but MSNBC is definitely not objective in terms of political commentary.

Unless you weren't meaning to imply that they're objective?

Rachel Maddow, Chris Mathews, and so on may be annoying, and they all have their biases; but I really do think they all have enough pride in their work no to throw an intentionally tampered with graph up on the screen. Fox, on the other hand, seems more like the place where everyone's actively doing things that fly in the face of journalistic integrity. And considering all the things happening to Murdoch's empire everywhere, I really wouldn't be surprised if we find out Fox is the scummy organization all sane people know it to be after all.

jsem · « **Reply #231 on:** December 15, 2011, 02:30:08 AM »

LOL! HAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

So much fail in that.

Sigz · « **Reply #232 on:** December 15, 2011, 02:14:33 PM »

Until you can show an example of someone besides Fox doing shit like this, I'll maintain that yeah, they're a bit more malicious than the other networks:

https://mediamatters.org/research/200807020002

abrahamclark · « **Reply #233 on:** December 17, 2011, 03:35:47 PM »

It's not just Fox news. It's all of the MSM's major headlines. The major headlines are the same regardless of which Network you watch. These headlines also trickle down to local affiliates. This is why we haven't heard squat in the MSM about the indefinite detention bill that just passed.

Riceball · « **Reply #234 on:** December 17, 2011, 07:17:46 PM »

Quote from: Sigz on December 15, 2011, 02:14:33 PM

Until you can show an example of someone besides Fox doing shit like this, I'll maintain that yeah, they're a bit more malicious than the other networks:

https://mediamatters.org/research/200807020002

That's hilarious

How do they get away with stuff like that?

chknptpie · « **Reply #235 on:** December 17, 2011, 07:22:02 PM »

Quote from: Perpetual Change on December 14, 2011, 06:08:29 PM

Quote from: kirksnosehair on December 14, 2011, 08:31:37 AM
Relative? Maybe, but MSNBC is definitely not objective in terms of political commentary.

Unless you weren't meaning to imply that they're objective?

Rachel Maddow, Chris Mathews, and so on may be annoying, and they all have their biases; but I really do think they all have enough pride in their work no to throw an intentionally tampered with graph up on the screen. Fox, on the other hand, seems more like the place where everyone's actively doing things that fly in the face of journalistic integrity. And considering all the things happening to Murdoch's empire everywhere, I really wouldn't be surprised if we find out Fox is the scummy organization all sane people know it to be after all.

There is no way they could have "accidentally" placed Obama's picture for Romney... right? It's not like it was a single image that is being pulled up that could be mistaken. This was an image built for the discussion.

Scheavo · « **Reply #236 on:** December 18, 2011, 02:12:16 PM »

Quote from: abrahamclark on December 17, 2011, 03:35:47 PM

It's not just Fox news. It's all of the MSM's major headlines. The major headlines are the same regardless of which Network you watch. These headlines also trickle down to local affiliates. This is why we haven't heard squat in the MSM about the indefinite detention bill that just passed.

The exact way those headlines are worded are not the same. The way those headlines are discussed are not the same. This is what bothers people the most about Fox News, and the general culpability and lack real journalism in the MSM doesn't in anyway justify Fox New's actions.

Super Dude · « **Reply #237 on:** December 18, 2011, 02:36:32 PM »

Besides which, blaming the mainstream media for all of journalism's problems seems a little silly.

ClairvoyantCat · « **Reply #238 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:11:36 PM »

Interesting.

Ultimetalhead · « **Reply #239 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:13:24 PM »

Hm, so they're not just trying to skew everything, they are genuinely lazy/stupid.

ClairvoyantCat · « **Reply #240 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:21:00 PM »

The strange thing is that it doesn't really seem like laziness to create your own (incorrect) graphic when you could alternatively copy from a current and correct one easily. Almost like they went out of their way to be wrong.

Super Dude · « **Reply #241 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:29:09 PM »

Bypassing the obvious question in rebuttal, what do those countries have to do with the Iowa Caucuses?

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #242 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:35:12 PM »

The Republican candidates were debating about which European country to nuke first.

Super Dude · « **Reply #243 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:35:54 PM »

Quote from: AcidRainLTE on January 09, 2012, 08:35:12 PM

The Republican candidates were debating about which European country to nuke first.

Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised.

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #244 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:37:26 PM »

Got to kill off those Godless, freedom hating Communists while you still can.

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Author Topic: Take back any benefit of the doubt you ever gave Fox News (Read 26387 times)