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DT and commercialism?
« on: September 20, 2011, 07:04:06 PM »
As much as I like the new album I listen to FII and Awakwe and realize I miss the somewhat commercialism that DT used to have. Opinions?
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2011, 07:06:59 PM »
Awake and commercialism....

Am I missing something?
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2011, 07:08:32 PM »
 ???.... :rollin What commercialism?  They've never really been commercial, unless you count the singles they make that never got the time of day by TV or Radio?  Please explain?

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2011, 07:09:39 PM »
As much as I like the new album I listen to FII and Awakwe and realize I miss the somewhat commercialism that DT used to have. Opinions?

I don't understand.   ???
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2011, 07:25:35 PM »
Commercialism in the sense that their music was much more approachable to the masses. I listen to Voices, Peruvian Skies, The Silent Man, Lifting Shadows Off a Dream and many others from their earlier days that seem more listener friendly to me. Hence more commercial in being that the non-prog community would like it. Don't get me wrong I love all their music, but after listening to ADTOE and then going back to Awake and FII I just noticed that the earlier albums were much more radio or listener friendly to me.
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Re: DT and commercialism?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2011, 07:27:37 PM »
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Lots of radio friendly songs.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2011, 07:31:08 PM »
Commercialism in the sense that their music was much more approachable to the masses. I listen to Voices, Peruvian Skies, The Silent Man, Lifting Shadows Off a Dream and many others from their earlier days that seem more listener friendly to me. Hence more commercial in being that the non-prog community would like it. Don't get me wrong I love all their music, but after listening to ADTOE and then going back to Awake and FII I just noticed that the earlier albums were much more radio or listener friendly to me.

Oh, I gotcha.  Mainstream.  Hmmmmm..... I'll have to think about it.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2011, 07:49:42 PM »
Commercialism in the sense that their music was much more approachable to the masses. I listen to Voices, Peruvian Skies, The Silent Man, Lifting Shadows Off a Dream and many others from their earlier days that seem more listener friendly to me. Hence more commercial in being that the non-prog community would like it. Don't get me wrong I love all their music, but after listening to ADTOE and then going back to Awake and FII I just noticed that the earlier albums were much more radio or listener friendly to me.
A good portion of FII could be considered radio friendly, but not Awake.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2011, 07:58:39 PM »
Commercialism in the sense that their music was much more approachable to the masses. I listen to Voices, Peruvian Skies, The Silent Man, Lifting Shadows Off a Dream and many others from their earlier days that seem more listener friendly to me. Hence more commercial in being that the non-prog community would like it. Don't get me wrong I love all their music, but after listening to ADTOE and then going back to Awake and FII I just noticed that the earlier albums were much more radio or listener friendly to me.
A good portion of FII could be considered radio friendly, but not Awake.

There are a decent number of songs on Awake that could have had mainstream appeal if properly marketed.  Caught in a Web, Innocence Faded, Silent Man, Lie, and Lifting Shadows all have very strong commercial appeal.  Furthermore, even the lengthier, proggy songs like Voices and Scarred have big, bombastic singalong choruses that are very memorable and instantly recognizable.  In fact, in a very real sense, I think Awake had more mainstream friendly songs then I&W.  The problems was, though, Awake didn't have Pull Me Under, so it never got the proper amount of mainstream appreciation.  But when you consider that Awake in general has relatively short, concise songs with catchy melodies and hooks, yeah, I consider it to at least have had the potential for big mainstream appeal that regrettably was never properly utilized.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2011, 07:59:54 PM »
Having a catchy chorus or breakdown doesn't mean it's commercial, it just means it's well written.
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2011, 08:01:48 PM »
I don't think you understand what it would take for a song to qualify for commercialism these days.

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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2011, 08:25:05 PM »
If BMU/BMD does not do it for the masses, nothing from DT ever will, which is fine.  Rush is predominantly a legacy type band (based on the last 20 years) and they are as popular as ever.  IMO DT will follow a similar path.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2011, 08:43:53 PM »
If BMU/BMD does not do it for the masses, nothing from DT ever will, which is fine.  Rush is predominantly a legacy type band (based on the last 20 years) and they are as popular as ever.  IMO DT will follow a similar path.

beneath the surface would work on a soft rock station...

BMUBMD would work if it wasn't 7 minutes (twice as long as the average song on rock stations)...

This album is a lot more commercially viable than the last few have been, but I doubt it will get any exposure (in the US at least).

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 08:47:06 PM »
Having a catchy chorus or breakdown doesn't mean it's commercial, it just means it's well written.

I don't think you understand what it would take for a song to qualify for commercialism these days.

I didn't say the album was commercial, I just said it had commercial appeal.  There is difference between a commercial song, like what you normally see on the top 40, and a song with commercial appeal, that normally would not get that kind of attention but still manages to make it into the mainstream consciousness for whatever reason.  Songs like Pull Me Under or Savatage/TSO's Christmas Eve: Sarajevo are examples of the latter.  They are not commercial by any stretch of the imagination, but they did manage to gain a pretty decent amount of mainstream attention reguardless.

And besides, I was talking about back in 1992/93/94, not today.  I doubt even PMU would crack the top 40 singles charts in this day and age.

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2011, 09:15:51 PM »

I think DT has shown with this last album they're pretty much over the commercial thing(for the time being at least) besides BMUBMD.  I'm quite pleased...They make better music when they DGAF and do what DT does  :tup
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2011, 12:48:34 AM »
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Lots of radio friendly songs.

Yep. Pretty much all of their albums have a couple of more "radio friendly" songs, especially recent ones.
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2011, 01:17:16 AM »
I think most all of their songs would be considered radio friendly if they were chopped down in time.


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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2011, 01:26:38 AM »
I guess it just depends which songs get picked to be singles or sent out to radio stations but then Another Day wasn't really much of a hit compared to Pull Me Under.  Dream Theater's music has gotten heavier since Awake so there's less of what may be called Pop sensibilities, plus all the odd time signatures etc. But Far From Heaven actually sound like something off of The Burt Bacharach/Elvis Costello album, "Painted from Memory" which came out about ten years ago (I'm probably going to get flack for saying that but I'm sticking to it).  Generally, I think Pop music up until the seventies was more challenging but you still get some throw backs from that era even now thankfully.
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Re: DT and commercialism?
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2011, 06:32:41 AM »
The only two songs I could think of being in the radio in my country are The Silent Man and The Answer Lies Within... In polish radio stations it's even hard to heard U2... zero rock, hard rock.... even not mentioning about metal...

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2011, 08:20:53 AM »
They are more commercialized now than they used to be.
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Re: DT and commercialism?
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2011, 02:08:44 PM »
The only two songs I could think of being in the radio in my country are The Silent Man and The Answer Lies Within... In polish radio stations it's even hard to heard U2... zero rock, hard rock.... even not mentioning about metal...

Really? Trojka plays bands like U2 very often. I heard OTBoA at least 3 times :D I don't care much about metal so I suppose You're right ;)
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2011, 04:29:30 PM »
The Answer Lies Within
These Walls
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BMU, BMD
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Lots of radio friendly songs.

I cannot listen to any of them except BMU/BMD (awesome tune!!!)...make me cringe...what's that? Evanescence? Linkin park? U2??? I just find them NOT DT songs. Also, I can't listen to the whole SC album...it sounds to me just like a (horrible) collection of cover songs...

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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2011, 04:51:28 PM »
Just my opinion, but I've always considered Awake to be the LEAST approachable CD for newcomers.
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