Author Topic: The best metal band? (Read 11867 times)

Zook · « **Reply #35 on:** September 17, 2011, 10:30:19 AM »

Quote from: Zydar on September 17, 2011, 10:29:20 AM

Perpetual Change · « **Reply #36 on:** September 17, 2011, 10:44:45 AM »

Quote from: skydivingninja on September 17, 2011, 10:21:07 AM

I've never heard Metal purists hating on them. SLUDGE purists, yeah, but not metal purists.

Hm, you know, metal genre purists are worse than indies. I really believe that

No-one is quicker to hate on a band that's had some success than the "die-hard" metallers on the interwebz.

With that said, Mastodon are the "perfect" metal band, in my opinion. They've got everything down: the style, the lyrics, the substance, the attitude, etc... Listening to "Crack the Skye" really makes me think, "yeah, this is what metal is all about and this is why I love it."

Of course they can't touch the legends but maybe 10 albums from now they'll be in a position to compete.

skydivingninja · « **Reply #37 on:** September 17, 2011, 10:50:57 AM »

Crack the Skye and Leviathan made them surpass all the legends.

Lowdz · « **Reply #38 on:** September 17, 2011, 10:52:55 AM »

Judas Priest

Perpetual Change · « **Reply #39 on:** September 17, 2011, 10:53:24 AM »

I dunno man. You gotta take two things into account:

1.) A band like Maiden have like half a dozen flawless albums, compared to Mastodon's 2.

2.) Even if "Crack The Skye" is better than every Maiden album (it might be, I'm not saying it's not, I disagree, but I respect people who think it is) it's still partly because it had what was done by bands like Maiden to stand on. So, still gotta give Maiden some credit.

skydivingninja · « **Reply #40 on:** September 17, 2011, 10:55:04 AM »

Oh you can give Maiden, Metallica, and Sabbath all the credit in the world for being the most influential. No one can deny that.

But Maiden only has two flawless albums out of 15: Powerslave and AMOLAD. Mastodon also has two flawless albums but they don't really play it safe the way Maiden usually does. And The Hunter is going to continue that tradition (just finished an ambitious concept album tour? SONGS ABOUT SEX IN SPACE!).

Sigz · « **Reply #41 on:** September 17, 2011, 10:57:00 AM »

Yeah, I don't see why influence matters when thinking about the 'best'. If you count it, it simply becomes a matter of who came first.

Perpetual Change · « **Reply #42 on:** September 17, 2011, 10:58:52 AM »

Lol, I hear you.

But Maiden have way more flawless albums than that.

Actually, all Maiden albums are pretty much awesome except No Prayer for the Dying and Fear of the Dark.

I guess my fanboy colors are showing... haha.

Quote from: Sigz on September 17, 2011, 10:57:00 AM

Yeah, I don't see why influence matters when thinking about the 'best'. If you count it, it simply becomes a matter of who came first.

It's not about who came first, it's about who made the biggest contribution to the tradition. In this case, tons of bands have already "outdone" bands like Priest and Maiden, but it doesn't really matter, because they never would have done it without all that had been down already by those two to pave the way... I guess that's what I'm saying.

black_biff_stadler · « **Reply #43 on:** September 17, 2011, 11:14:51 AM »

Death:

heaviness? check.
speed? check.
melody? check.
quality lyrics? check.
virtuosity? check.
fantastic riffs? check.
innovation? check.
Chuck? check.

zxlkho · « **Reply #44 on:** September 17, 2011, 11:21:14 AM »

Death is just amazing.

Gadough · « **Reply #45 on:** September 17, 2011, 11:23:20 AM »

Quote from: black_floyd on September 17, 2011, 11:14:51 AM

Death:

Chuck? check.

That's really all you needed to say.

black_biff_stadler · « **Reply #46 on:** September 17, 2011, 11:40:50 AM »

Quote from: zxlkho on September 17, 2011, 11:21:14 AM

Death is just amazing.

Quote from: Gadough on September 17, 2011, 11:23:20 AM

Quote from: black_floyd on September 17, 2011, 11:14:51 AM
Death:

Chuck? check.

That's really all you needed to say.

*Big gay group hug*

zxlkho · « **Reply #47 on:** September 17, 2011, 11:42:47 AM »

Dark Castle · « **Reply #48 on:** September 17, 2011, 12:04:44 PM »

Kvelertak. Hands down it has to be Kvelertak.

TheOutlawXanadu · « **Reply #49 on:** September 17, 2011, 12:12:46 PM »

The best metal bands right now are Agalloch, Amorphis, Dream Theater, Mastodon, Opeth and OSI. I might be forgetting one or two but those are the big ones.

All-time, I would add Metallica. I would probably also add Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden and probably a couple more bands I am forgetting.

The single best one? That's too hard to call.

Sigz · « **Reply #50 on:** September 17, 2011, 12:13:07 PM »

Quote from: Perpetual Change on September 17, 2011, 10:58:52 AM

Quote from: Sigz on September 17, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
Yeah, I don't see why influence matters when thinking about the 'best'. If you count it, it simply becomes a matter of who came first.

It's not about who came first, it's about who made the biggest contribution to the tradition. In this case, tons of bands have already "outdone" bands like Priest and Maiden, but it doesn't really matter, because they never would have done it without all that had been down already by those two to pave the way... I guess that's what I'm saying.

Exactly what 'tradition' are we talking about here?

AcidLameLTE · « **Reply #51 on:** September 17, 2011, 12:19:17 PM »

Quote from: Sigz on September 17, 2011, 10:13:58 AM

Iron Maiden? lol.

ZKX-2099 · « **Reply #52 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:23:37 PM »

Quote from: black_floyd on September 17, 2011, 11:14:51 AM

Avenged Sevenfold:

heaviness? check.
speed? check.
melody? check.
quality lyrics? check.
virtuosity? check.
fantastic riffs? check.
innovation? check.
Syn? check.

Fix'd.

Also I should give Strapping Young Lad an honorable mention. Bands that are done for really can't compete but fuck they were awesome.

Also Opeth has forfeited their metalness with Heritage.

Gadough · « **Reply #53 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:25:34 PM »

Avenged Sevenfold has all of those things except for innovation...also, virtuosity is debatable.

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #54 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:30:15 PM »

This thread needs moar Voivod!

zxlkho · « **Reply #55 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:30:47 PM »

Not one member of A7X is virtuosic. I fucking hate when people say that.

Also Opeth has not "forfeited their metalness" just because you don't like the album. Sorry.

The King in Crimson · « **Reply #56 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:32:43 PM »

Wait... OSI is metal?

Quote from: MasterShakezula on September 17, 2011, 01:30:15 PM

This thread needs moar Voivod!

YES

Heretic · « **Reply #57 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:34:32 PM »

Quote from: Gadough on September 17, 2011, 01:25:34 PM

Avenged Sevenfold has all of those things except for innovation...also, virtuosity is debatable.

lol okay

ZKX-2099 · « **Reply #58 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:42:26 PM »

Quote from: Gadough on September 17, 2011, 01:25:34 PM

Avenged Sevenfold has all of those things except for innovation...also, virtuosity is debatable.

Nice impression of somebody who's severely wrong, G.

Quote from: zxlkho on September 17, 2011, 01:30:47 PM

Not one member of A7X is virtuosic. I fucking hate when people say that.

Syn is an alumni of GIT. Shadows has trained under the same vocal coach as used by Chris Cornell and Axl Rose. The Rev was a self taught multi-instrumentalist.

Learn your shit before you talk it.

Heretic · « **Reply #59 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:44:32 PM »

and that's why I love you.

Gadough · « **Reply #60 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:46:06 PM »

Keep in mind, I'm an A7X fan myself. I just think you're over-exaggerating their abilities. Just because Syn went here, Shadows trained with this person, and The Rev taught himself, doesn't mean shit. They're good songwriters but average on their instruments.

ZKX-2099 · « **Reply #61 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:50:11 PM »

Quote from: Gadough on September 17, 2011, 01:46:06 PM

Keep in mind, I'm an A7X fan myself. I just think you're over-exaggerating their abilities. Just because Syn went here, Shadows trained with this person, and The Rev taught himself, doesn't mean shit. They're good songwriters but average on their instruments.

Average, restrained, use whatever word you want with which to be wrong.

Gadough · « **Reply #62 on:** September 17, 2011, 01:53:41 PM »

Whatever man. I like A7X, but I think your mind is a bit clouded by fanboyism.

They don't have to be virtuosos to be a good band, or for you to like them....there's nothing wrong with being an average player. I'm not bashing the band. I'm just saying there's many more technically skilled metal bands out there.

zxlkho · « **Reply #63 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:08:27 PM »

You are clearly a fanboy. Fucking christ dude, they really aren't that talented at all, and NONE of them are good songwriters (except maybe The Rev)

Sigz · « **Reply #64 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:15:18 PM »

I taught myself guitar and drums, IM A VIRTUOSO AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT

Gadough · « **Reply #65 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:18:39 PM »

Dark Castle · « **Reply #66 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:23:17 PM »

Quote from: ZKX-2099 on September 17, 2011, 01:42:26 PM

Quote from: Gadough on September 17, 2011, 01:25:34 PM
Avenged Sevenfold has all of those things except for innovation...also, virtuosity is debatable.

Nice impression of somebody who's severely wrong, G.

Quote from: zxlkho on September 17, 2011, 01:30:47 PM
Not one member of A7X is virtuosic. I fucking hate when people say that.

Syn is an alumni of GIT. Shadows has trained under the same vocal coach as used by Chris Cornell and Axl Rose. The Rev was a self taught multi-instrumentalist.

Learn your shit before you talk it.

All of Revocation are graduated members of Burklee's school of music, Obscura are all masters of their intstruments and most of the members graduated from Berlin's school of Music, and are one of the leaders, if not the leaders of Technical progressive Death Metal.
Your point?

LieLowTheWantedMan · « **Reply #67 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:23:40 PM »

Synyster is just your average metal guitarist.

zxlkho · « **Reply #68 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:25:33 PM »

Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on September 17, 2011, 02:23:40 PM

Synyster is just your average metal guitarist.

Barely even that. He doesn't have a single memorable riff and his solos are boooooooriiiiiing

Liberation · « **Reply #69 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:26:40 PM »

I don't understand the concept of "the best" band.

First, how exactly do you measure it? The most fans? The highest average rating % from reviews? The most neck injuries caused? Orgasms created during career? Yeah, you get the point. It's entirely subjective. You could go the "most influential" path, but then the only band in which case it can be measured at all is Black Sabbath since they pretty much started the genre, but still, they've only started a very small part of all that is metal now after these 40 years or so. So... not really.

Second, it's not even possible to compare bands from entirely different sub-genres. How will you convince someone Kreator is superior to Mayhem? Not even possible. And what about great bands which are mostly metal but with heavy influences of something non-metal like Opeth?...

Either I took this thread too seriously or something's wrong.

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Author Topic: The best metal band? (Read 11867 times)