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Who's Iced Earth's best Singer?

Gene Adam
1 (0.8%)
John Greely
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Matt Barlow
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Tim "Ripper" Owens
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Stu Block
15 (11.7%)
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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Self Titled 30th Anniversary
« Reply #2905 on: January 11, 2021, 09:07:43 AM »
Why not, go ahead.
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« Reply #2906 on: January 11, 2021, 09:26:00 AM »
Think I'll get around to checking out some more Iced Earth.

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« Reply #2907 on: January 11, 2021, 09:32:55 AM »
Think I'll get around to checking out some more Iced Earth.

TL;DR rundown:
- Debut album nice but VERY raw, with an average singer
- Second album, Night of the Stormrider, kickass thrash album, a new and better singer that suited more the music
- Third album, Burnt Offerings, is where the god Matt Barlow comes in and starts a less aggressive and more power-ish era for the band, with the following Dark Saga, Something Wicked this Way Comes and Horror Show being the "classic" era of the band
- Matt goes, Ripper freshly off Judas Priest comes in for the historical-themed The Glorious Burden
- That "Something Wicked" thing expands in two albums - the first has Ripper and the second has Matt again
- Matt leaves AGAIN and for good, in comes the current singer, Stu Block, who has made three albums: Dystopia, Plagues of Babylon and the last one, Incorruptible. Dystopia is quite good an Incorruptible is quite acceptable I'd say.
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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Self Titled 30th Anniversary
« Reply #2908 on: January 11, 2021, 09:38:13 AM »
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« Reply #2909 on: January 11, 2021, 09:40:41 AM »









This is how I'd do my rating.

Though I suppose Incorruptible (that's the last one, right?) isn't bad.



Also, I wouldn't classify Burnt Offerings as less aggressive, it's a SUPER aggressive album. Though I'd agree it became a bit less aggressive after that, but IE has historically been a pretty aggressive band either way. It's not like they sound like Kamelot or Sonata Arctica or anything.
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« Reply #2910 on: January 11, 2021, 09:47:39 AM »
Oh yeah, that goes without question.

It's just that Matt's voice is more melodic, if there was no change of singer between Stormrider and Burnt Offerings, they would sound even more similar.
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« Reply #2911 on: January 11, 2021, 10:59:14 AM »
Robb Flynn made this video after Phil Anselmo yelled "white power" at the end of Dimebash...

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I think it's relevant. He says how no one in the metal community calls out these guys like him and Schaffer.


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« Reply #2912 on: January 11, 2021, 11:32:32 AM »
Think I'll get around to checking out some more Iced Earth.

I'd start with Alive in Athens and follow it up with Live in Ancient Kourion.  Both are excellent representations of the Barlow and Block eras. 

From there, here are the albums to check out:

Something Wicked This Way Comes:  Arguably their best album and one of the few that has absolutely no filler.

Dark Saga:  Perhaps my favorite album from IE, this is a concept album based on the comic Spawn (with cover art drawn by Todd McFarlane)

Horror Show:  Another concept album, this one based on monsters (werewolf, Dracula, mummy, etc).  It's a hit & miss album, but when it works, it really works (Dracula, Damien, Jack).

Glorious Burden:  Their first album with Tim Owens, this one revolves around the theme of U.S. wars.  As with Horror show, there is plenty of filer, but enough works to make this one worth listening.  In particular, check out Declaration Day and Gettysburg (1863), the latter of which is a nearly 30 minute epic.

Dystopia:  Their first album with Stu Block, this one marks a return to form after its mediocre predecessors. 

Incorruptable:  Their latest (and possibly last) album, this is the first one since Something Wicked that doesn't have a main theme, and the freedom makes for some very good songs.  While it does have a few filler songs (Brothers), it also has some awesome tracks (Black Flag, Raven Wing, Clear the Way) and is a fine album to go out on if it does turn out to be the swan song of this band.

BTW, if you like Iced Earth, you absolutely must check out Demons and Wizards, the side project of Jon Shaffer, with Blind Guardian singer Hani Kursch.  The S/T debut album is arguably one of the best albums of 2000, if not the entire decade, it is that good. 

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Self Titled 30th Anniversary
« Reply #2913 on: January 11, 2021, 11:48:22 AM »
Thanks for the info. My brother loaned me his copy of the glorious burden years ago. I really like it but for whatever reason I didn't bother to hear more.

This whole insurgency thing seems to be a cause for renewed interest.

I feel like I should state that I only ever checked out as I lay dying after the hitman fiasco.

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« Reply #2914 on: January 17, 2021, 05:36:15 PM »
Jon turned himself in today.

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« Reply #2916 on: January 17, 2021, 07:16:05 PM »
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The FBI Indianapolis Field Office released the following statement regarding Schaffer's arrest: "Jon Schaffer, Columbus, IN, has been arrested in connection to Jan 6 incident at the U.S. Capitol. Schaffer faces 6 charges including engaging in an act of physical violence in a Capitol building. Schaffer was allegedly among rioters who sprayed Capitol police with 'bear spray.'"

1) Knowingly Entering or Remaining in any Restricted Building or Grounds Without Lawful Authority

2) Disrupting the Orderly Conduct of Government Business

3) Knowingly Engaging in an Act of Physical Violence Against any Person or Property in any Restricted Building or Grounds

4) Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building

5) Engaging in an Act of Physical Violence in a Capitol Building

6) Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building


I just saw a video where Jon is visible in a group where mace was being used, though it is unclear what was happening.  I wouldn't doubt that the FBI has more on him than the one picture we've seen. 

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Re: The Official Iced Earth Thread v. Self Titled 30th Anniversary
« Reply #2918 on: January 17, 2021, 07:40:04 PM »
beul ni teh efac = Lube In The Face / That has to be wrong.  :lol / EDIT: Oh, it's Blue! I'm an idiot.
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« Reply #2919 on: January 17, 2021, 07:43:25 PM »
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
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« Reply #2920 on: January 17, 2021, 08:00:05 PM »
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Please tell me you did that yourself Tim?
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« Reply #2921 on: January 17, 2021, 08:08:43 PM »
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« Reply #2922 on: January 17, 2021, 08:38:42 PM »
Ah!  It's so shit that it's fucking amazing.
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« Reply #2923 on: January 17, 2021, 08:46:55 PM »
That evolution of Petrucci pic is ancient. Are you guys just now seeing it? Someone here drew it and even got it signed.

Back to Schaffer, I can't help but think it isn't long before he starts believing his Something Wicked story.

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« Reply #2924 on: January 17, 2021, 09:00:29 PM »
That evolution of Petrucci pic is ancient. Are you guys just now seeing it? Someone here drew it and even got it signed.

 :lol that's brilliant.  Yeah I don't think I've ever seen it before.
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« Reply #2925 on: January 17, 2021, 09:03:40 PM »
https://bravewords.com/news/iced-earth-jon-schaffer-arrested-by-fbi-for-role-in-capitol-riot-facing-six-charges


Fucking bear spray??

Is it sad that when I read the be.. spray, my mind immediately thought beer spray and that when I searched for the word beer in the article and came up short, I was thinking, "Wait, where's the beer in all of this?"

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« Reply #2926 on: January 17, 2021, 09:05:00 PM »
On the bright side, maybe Stu will go back to Into Eternity.

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« Reply #2927 on: January 18, 2021, 01:06:42 AM »
So he turned himself in? I imagined him running from the law and living in abandoned houses / cars like in his glory youth days, the last one standing after all the other insurrectionists were already arrested  :lol

Joking aside, is this the official nail in the coffin for IE's carrer or the label will wait for sentences to drop him and the other guys having no choice that distancing themselves from him?
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« Reply #2928 on: January 18, 2021, 04:42:14 AM »
Maybe he wants to get a shot at getting a pardon from his leader, Trump?

Also, that Petrucci drawing is hilarious  :lol
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« Reply #2929 on: January 18, 2021, 05:48:48 AM »
Maybe he wants to get a shot at getting a pardon from his leader, Trump?

Also, that Petrucci drawing is hilarious  :lol

Considering the murmurs that Trump's planning on signing around a hundred pardons and commutes on Tuesday, I wouldn't be surprised if folks who participated in the riot are hoping one of those is some sort of blanket pardon for anyone involved.
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« Reply #2930 on: January 18, 2021, 06:26:06 AM »
Maybe he wants to get a shot at getting a pardon from his leader, Trump?

Also, that Petrucci drawing is hilarious  :lol

Considering the murmurs that Trump's planning on signing around a hundred pardons and commutes on Tuesday, I wouldn't be surprised if folks who participated in the riot are hoping one of those is some sort of blanket pardon for anyone involved.
Whether he's planning to do it or not, the fact that it's even possible and (as far as I understand it?) requires no checks or balances is ridiculous and makes a mockery of the USA's law and politics. But that's probably more a conversation for the P/R threads.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to Schaffer, and then whatever happens to him, what then happens to Iced Earth.

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« Reply #2931 on: January 18, 2021, 06:34:44 AM »
Until Schaffer is either convicted or set free, I think the label won't do anything. If he gets a sentence, I can totally see Century Media dropping Iced Earth and the other guys having no other option than walk away, effectively dissolving the band.

Burzum actually killed a person and was still making albums, even though for a much restricted and selected market. Who will collaborate with Jon on the "next Iced Earth album" if the band is gone? would he still continue to write music but for Sons of Liberty instead?
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« Reply #2932 on: January 18, 2021, 06:39:40 AM »
FBI's charging document against Jon.   They detail his affiliation with the Oathkeepers, his statements made in video interviews and his activities that day.  So far, he appears to be the only person charged with "an act of physical violence."  Most people have a few charges, yet he faces up to 6.   It's not looking good for him, for now at least.

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« Reply #2933 on: January 18, 2021, 06:47:22 AM »
"SCHAFFER is a person of some celebrity in the heavy metal music industry, and was identified by numerous individuals
when his photograph was published by the FBI seeking identification of individuals who
participated in the events of January 6, 2021"

"Person of some celebrity", like "yeah, he plays in a band or whatever, it seems people go to their concerts"  :lol

I mean, it's factually correct, he is a celebrity and he's not Bono or Springsteen, but it's funny to see his carrer described in such a casual way  :D

EDIT: also later:

"SCHAFFER, who is the front man of the heavy metal band “Iced Earth...”  "

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« Reply #2934 on: January 18, 2021, 06:57:53 AM »
Maybe he wants to get a shot at getting a pardon from his leader, Trump?

Also, that Petrucci drawing is hilarious  :lol

Considering the murmurs that Trump's planning on signing around a hundred pardons and commutes on Tuesday, I wouldn't be surprised if folks who participated in the riot are hoping one of those is some sort of blanket pardon for anyone involved.
Whether he's planning to do it or not, the fact that it's even possible and (as far as I understand it?) requires no checks or balances is ridiculous and makes a mockery of the USA's law and politics. But that's probably more a conversation for the P/R threads.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to Schaffer, and then whatever happens to him, what then happens to Iced Earth.

IMO, if Trump pardons any of the rioters, he only increases his odds of a conviction in the Senate, and possible even criminal charges from the Biden administration.  Granted, the act of pardon itself may not be a criminal act, but there will be the perception of Trump's culpability in the riot itself, along with increasing anger within the administration and the Senate. 
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« Reply #2935 on: January 18, 2021, 07:21:38 AM »
At the risk of pointing this thread towards P/R territory; if Trump has any good advisors left, they're probably going to withhold him from doing such a thing, for the exact reasons you mentioned.

And yeah, the whole idea of 'presidential pardons' is absolutely ridiculous (but if I'm wrong, please do enlighten me, though probably in a P/R thread).
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« Reply #2936 on: January 18, 2021, 07:55:09 AM »
I'm not a mod, and I can't move posts, but I'll start a thread if you'd like.   This is going to be a topic of convo as the pardons flow, but I can already see a lot of misleading information.

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« Reply #2937 on: January 18, 2021, 08:10:15 AM »
At the risk of pointing this thread towards P/R territory; if Trump has any good advisors left, they're probably going to withhold him from doing such a thing, for the exact reasons you mentioned.

And yeah, the whole idea of 'presidential pardons' is absolutely ridiculous (but if I'm wrong, please do enlighten me, though probably in a P/R thread).

The idea of pardons sort of started back when people thought the position of president would be relatively non-partisan. Washington was the only president ever elected unanimously and that did not belong to a political party (although he aligned himself with the Federalists for the most part). So this pardon power kind of stems from the idea that the president could stay about the fray and pardon those who may have gotten a raw deal.

So yeah, pardon power is pretty outdated.

On a side note, I started listening to some Iced Earth to see if I could even still enjoy it. Surprisingly I did with the exception of the Something Wicked albums.

I was so underwhelmed by those albums and the rotating lineup and Jon's blowhard views at the time that I basically stopped caring. My opinion stands. Those albums are just boring.

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« Reply #2938 on: January 18, 2021, 08:19:35 AM »
Yeah, that was meant to be his magnum opus but he fell flat on those. Even Matt Barlow from the beginning couldn't save those albums.

Framing Armageddon is quite cool all things considered, it's a standard IE album with some fat to be trimmed here and there. Crucible of Man is plain boring, it drags on and on and the best song, Come What May, is a total wimping out storyline wise. You promise for years the destruction of mankind and the antichrist incarnated at the end says "Uh well, I guess I'll give you another chance but behave, m'kay?". D'uh.
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« Reply #2939 on: January 18, 2021, 08:31:32 AM »
Jon admitted that he lost 3 members of his family during the Framing/Crucible years and that his heart wasn't in those albums.  Looking back on them and knowing that explains why the songwriting isn't up to his usual standards.