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The Most Skillfully Written/Directed Films
« on: August 23, 2011, 08:53:29 PM »
Despite my love for film, I'm not much of a film-buff, so my list may be a little expected... These are my personal favorites in terms of skill and creativity:

-Kubrick = 2001: A Space Odssey - The Shining - Clockwork Orange
-Flemming' = Gone With The Wind
-Malick = The Tree of Life
-Mendes = American Beauty
-Nolan = Memento - The Prestige - The Dark Knight - Inception
-Gasper Noe = Enter The Void
-Aronofsky = The Fountain - Requiem For a Dream - Pi
-Ward = What Dreams May Come
-Fincher = Fight Club (a truly unique film experience)  - Seven (best crime/mystery film I've ever seen) - Benjamin Button
-Jackson =  The Lord of the Rings trilogy

Films that are considered poor, but have many redeeming qualities:

-Cameron -
-----The Terminator (A perfectly executed thriller)
-----Avatar (You can't help but admire the effort put into this film, despite its lack of literary depth)
-----Titanic (It's not often that a film completely captivates the emotions of millions through a tragic love story)

-Snyder = 300 (In terms of screenplay, bad, but in terms of visuals, cinematography, and lighting... it's groundbreaking. I'll never forget seeing it opening weekend, I had never seen anything like it before)

-Wachowskis = The Matrix trilogy (redefined the action genre, stylistically, visually, and technically. New technology was invented for this film to create bullet time. Not to mention it was pretty thought provoking for a pop-corn action flick)

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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 09:50:10 PM »
Gotta throw some Coen Brothers in there. They've infused such unique style in several genres it's mindblowing.

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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2011, 10:05:07 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 10:06:09 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 10:06:19 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 10:09:01 PM »
Interesting Thread Idea, let's see where it can go:

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-Nolan = Memento - The Prestige - The Dark Knight - Inception

Memento is really well done given the small budget.  Totally agree.  Dark Knight I mostly agree (the movie's definitely better than the script), but the action sequences are a bit flawed.  I think he really improved in that department with Inception though.  The stuff in the spinning hallway was particularly well done.  Jaw-dropping.

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-Fincher = Fight Club (a truly unique film experience)  - Seven (best crime/mystery film I've ever seen) - Benjamin Button

Fincher's probably the best director in Hollywood when it comes to how things look on film.  Nobody else shoots footage like Fincher does.  No one.

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-Cameron -
-----The Terminator (A perfectly executed thriller)
-----Avatar (You can't help but admire the effort put into this film, despite its lack of literary depth)
-----Titanic (It's not often that a film completely captivates the emotions of millions through a tragic love story)

I would argue that James Cameron is the greatest director to ever live, with Spielberg as his only real competition.  Cameron's career in terms of advancing the medium, the quality of his films, their cultural resonance, and ability to make money is staggering.

Whether or not Avatar is a good movie is up to you, that part of movie is subjective.  But considering how much money it made and the fact that people have expressed the desire to commit suicide because they're not on Pandora, the fact that it's one of the most effective films ever made can't really be disputed.  It wanted to produce a reaction and it did so.  Titanic is the same way.  Isn't this the primary goal of a director?

And are there people who really think the first Terminator is bad?  I think Cameron's made better movies but it's still really really good.

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-Snyder = 300 (In terms of screenplay, bad, but in terms of visuals, cinematography, and lighting... it's groundbreaking. I'll never forget seeing it opening weekend, I had never seen anything like it before)

I don't even mind the script, it is what it's supposed to be.  I agree with you on the movie as a whole though, I was blown away when I saw it.  That's a special reaction.  While the acting in 300 isn't the most complex or nuanced, the fact that he got people to act at all in front of a green screen deserves some applause.

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-Wachowskis = The Matrix trilogy (redefined the action genre, stylistically, visually, and technically. New technology was invented for this film to create bullet time. Not to mention it was pretty thought provoking for a pop-corn action flick)

This is the big one I can't agree on.  I guess you can put the blame on the scripts, but the Wachowskis basically destroyed the reputation of the first movie with its sequels.  Reloaded had a bunch of long and barely meaningful action sequences and Revolutions was obnoxiously obtuse.

Other films I'd mention as well directed:

Star Wars IV and V:  For different reasons.  Episode IV is amazing as an overall accomplishment.  The conditions under which it was made were notoriously bad, and Lucas still shot some great footage that holds up today.  The VFX work is obviously otherworldly as well.  Episode V deserves mention for great acting (although I think the acting in Episode IV is underrated) and having a more intimate feel without losing the sense of scope that a movie called Star Wars should have.

Anything by Pixar:  How can this not be mentioned?  Especially Toy Story 3, since to me it made a leap where it had the sense that it was a live-action film that happened to be animated.

Jurassic Park:  This movie owned my soul as a kid.  It's so perfectly executed.  Raiders of the Lost Ark and Schindler's list are also two notably well-directed Spielberg films.  I haven't seen Jaws, so I'll refrain from commenting on that.  Yeah, I'm a bad film dork.

Office Space/Airplane:  Two comedy movies with very notable direction.  With most comedies, there's a formula to follow.  In the 80's, everything was shot semi-dingily with a lot of masters and big shots to give a sense of scope to the big party and chase scenes.  In the 90's there were a lot of brighter colors to make everything feel fun.  The 2000's gave us a lot of movies with a very neutral photography style so the characters felt like they were doing comedic things in the context of real life like normal people do.  Office Space and Airplane both had humor that was dependent on creating a visual atmosphere, and in both cases the goal was accomplished from a directorial standpoint.

There's tons of others, but that's enough for one post.
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 10:32:01 PM »
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-----The Terminator (A perfectly executed thriller)

People think T1 is poor? I mean, T2 trumps it in pretty much every way, but it's still a great movie.

I mostly watch more actiony movies because I'm an uncultured philistine, but here's a quick list of some favorites in no particular order: Unforgiven, The Usual Suspects, the first 2 Die Hards, the first 2 Star Wars movies, Blade Runner, Back to the Future, Heat, the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Forrest Gump, The Departed, District 9, Iron Man, Batman Begins, the 1st and 3rd Indiana Jones movies, Point Break, The Rock (Michael Bay's only good movie), Schindler's List, Fight Club, Minority Report.

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-----Avatar (You can't help but admire the effort put into this film, despite its lack of literary depth)

The main problem with Avatar that I remember from watching it is pacing. It has some great fast-paced action sequences and the visuals are top tier, but the middle section is comparatively slow and not much happens in terms of plot progression. Also "unobtanium" and the uncanny-valley-freaky Naa'vi designs. I still enjoyed it though, I'd give it 4/5.

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Gotta throw some Coen Brothers in there. They've infused such unique style in several genres it's mindblowing.

The Coen brothers are ridiculously overrated IMO. The only really good movie they've made is No Country for Old Men, mostly due to the level of suspense and Javier Bardem being extremely effective in his role, but even there the conclusion felt effectively null and like none of the events in the movie really mattered (I know this is the point and it's some wacky 'deep' postmodern twist, but I still disliked it; movies need to have a payoff). Fargo and The Big Lebowski are decent but not good enough to justify the ridiculous amounts of hype and praise that every one of their movies gets. The most recent movie of theirs I saw was True Grit, which was pretty average excluding Jeff Bridges' awesome performance. Better recent westerns to watch: Appaloosa (2008), 3:10 to Yuma (2007, remake, amazing).

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I would argue that James Cameron is the greatest director to ever live, with Spielberg as his only real competition.  Cameron's career in terms of advancing the medium, the quality of his films, their cultural resonance, and ability to make money is staggering.

Chris Nolan's getting up there! ;)

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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 10:36:20 PM »
In terms of direction, I'll lob out there David Lean and Bridge on the River Kwai and Lawrence of Arabia. Beautiful, stunning, moving films. Some of that can be attributed to cinematography, but in both movies everything just comes together brilliantly: writing, acting, story, action, music. Freaking everything. 

Raiders of the Lost Ark and Schindler's list are also two notably well-directed Spielberg films.  I haven't seen Jaws, so I'll refrain from commenting on that.  Yeah, I'm a bad film dork.

I was going to say Raiders and Jaws might be SS's best work in terms of what he was working with and the time he was working in. Think about how Raiders would be done today, without the models, stop-motion, storyboards, and every other tool he had to rely on in 1981. It's a pretty solid script too considering how it is basically a never-ending Saturday afternoon action serial.

And there is no reason Jaws should ever have worked. First of all, the novel is pretty dull and wouldn't have translated well if it didn't undergo all the changes it did. And having to shoot all that footage in and around water, with a mechanical shark that never wanted to work properly. Also consider, in the middle of the big shark chase, the three guys sit around and chat. One of them shares a war story. And people consider that the best scene in the film! And Spielberg was what, 27 years old at the time?!
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 10:38:07 PM »
This thread has a severe lack of Martin Scorsese.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 10:39:01 PM »
This thread has a severe lack of Martin Scorsese.

Casino!!!


I know, it's not his most popular film, but of all of his gangster movies (like 99% of his work), this is my favorite.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2011, 10:54:32 PM »
He's not going to win any all-time best director awards, but damn if Sergio Leone didn't make some great films. Think about the last ~20 minutes of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. If you saw on the page: 'Tuco runs around graveyard for five minutes, then he, Blondie, and Angel Eyes have a shootout that stretches another good 5 minutes' you would think the filmmakers were crazy. But the climax for that film couldn't go any other way. Indeed, there's no reason TGtBatU should be as good as it is, for as long as it is, considering everything could basically be boiled down to 20 minutes.

Also, Eastwood's run during the decade of 2000-2010 is masterful. If he never directed/produced a film outside that decade, he'd still be one of the greatest directors ever. I'm too tired to break it all down, maybe tomorrow.
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2011, 10:55:38 PM »
This thread has a severe lack of Martin Scorsese.

Casino!!!


I know, it's not his most popular film, but of all of his gangster movies (like 99% of his work), this is my favorite.
Goodfellas is better, but yeah both are awesome.
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 11:01:29 PM »
Certainly agree about Lean,  although I have to be in the right frame of mind to watch either of them.  Engaging, but still rather slow for their lengths. 

As for Senior Spielbergo,  I rank Close Encounters higher than those two, and probably at the top of his resume.  Great story.  Great special effects.  Great cast and acting.  Nice mixture of comedy, drama and adventure. 

Cool with Leone, but Morricone deserves half the credit for TGtBatU, AFAIC.  Possibly the finest marriage of music and visuals you'll ever see.   
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 01:05:56 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 07:59:53 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2011, 08:24:55 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2011, 08:31:21 AM »
I'll throw in Goodfellas.  The dialogue is so perfect in that film, but I think a lot of it has to do with the acting as well.                         
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2011, 08:32:34 AM »
Films that are considered poor, but have many redeeming qualities:

-Cameron -
-----The Terminator (A perfectly executed thriller)

Wtf? This thread fails based on this alone.

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2011, 08:33:07 AM »
Nolan is my favorite director.
After him I would say Aronofsky and Fincher.

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2011, 09:47:43 AM »
Reapsta hasn't see Jaws?  WTF
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2011, 09:55:04 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2011, 10:29:30 AM »
Hobo With a Shotgun. Obviously.
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2011, 01:39:44 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2011, 08:52:37 PM »
Great post Reap and Horatio, it's inspired me to give a more thorough analysis of my list.  :tup I'll post it soon.

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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2011, 09:08:35 PM »
Pulp Fiction
Inglorious Basterds
Kill Bill (both volumes)
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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2011, 10:32:42 PM »
Saving Private Ryan....anyone?  jeez

JAWS

Goodfellas

The Lives of Others......amazing

Godfather 1 and 2

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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2011, 10:34:15 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2011, 10:35:22 PM »
It's based on a true story so it doesn't count.

they couldn't even come up with their own movie lol
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2011, 10:37:26 PM »
It's based on a true story so it doesn't count.

they couldn't even come up with their own movie lol
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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2011, 11:25:28 PM »
No Kurosawa? YOU'RE ALL DEAD TO ME.

Not really, but I've always felt that Seven Samurai appeals to a wider audience than any other movie.

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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2011, 09:27:16 AM »
I have tried to get in to Kurosawa's films but just cannot at all. Part of it is the acting style, which is maybe a cultural thing(?)

Can't believe I didn't of the Godfathers 1 and 2.  :facepalm: I have always been a huge fan of those. Incidentally, I appreciated the film making aspects even more after I read the novel. Puzo and Coppola did a great job taking the best parts of the book and translating it to the screen. Funny how Coppola swears Paramount(?) was ready to fire him after the first week of GF1. And it went on to become one of the most loved and acclaimed movies of the past 40 years. If watch some of the DVD features, you see how much time and care Coppola went in to working on those films, to ensure all the details were perfect. Which, IMO, they were.


Certainly agree about Lean,  although I have to be in the right frame of mind to watch either of them.  Engaging, but still rather slow for their lengths. 

As for Senior Spielbergo,  I rank Close Encounters higher than those two, and probably at the top of his resume.  Great story.  Great special effects.  Great cast and acting.  Nice mixture of comedy, drama and adventure. 

Cool with Leone, but Morricone deserves half the credit for TGtBatU, AFAIC.  Possibly the finest marriage of music and visuals you'll ever see.   

Lean’s films are very long, but they don’t feel as long as they are. But yes, you do have want to sit down and be engaged for 3+ hours to fully enjoy and appreciate.

I had a hard time with CEot3K, I saw it for the first time a couple years ago so much later than most. But it didn’t resonate with me like I thought it would.

Yes, Leone’s visions and Morricone’s music were a match made in heaven. Interesting that some people remember the ‘Ecstasy of Gold’ being played on the set during filming, and others don’t.
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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2011, 09:34:50 AM »
Any love here for K-19 The Widow Maker? Great flick.

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« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2011, 10:27:44 AM »
Can't believe I didn't of the Godfathers 1 and 2.  :facepalm: I have always been a huge fan of those. Incidentally, I appreciated the film making aspects even more after I read the novel. Puzo and Coppola did a great job taking the best parts of the book and translating it to the screen. Funny how Coppola swears Paramount(?) was ready to fire him after the first week of GF1. And it went on to become one of the most loved and acclaimed movies of the past 40 years. If watch some of the DVD features, you see how much time and care Coppola went in to working on those films, to ensure all the details were perfect. Which, IMO, they were.
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« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2011, 10:45:37 AM »
Coppola has about as many good things to say about Paramount as Mike Portnoy has to say about Elektra :lol  But yes, they were never really happy with him at the beginning - he was a young director with limited credits though he did win an Oscar for writing Patton. It is the usual story of 'artist who believes he knows how to make the film vs suits believing they know what is best.' Filimg the scene with Pacino killing McClusky and Tataglia(sp?) in the restaurant saved his job - according to him. Of course once it went on to be a financial and critical success, they begged him to do GF2. He said sure, just GTFO of my way, and give me a little bit more money to work with, which of course they did.

Then 15 years later he had much less clout and had to play ball with Paramount when it came to making GF3. Such is life in Hollyweird.
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« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2011, 11:41:46 AM »
Severe shortage of anything pre-1980s in this thread. Props to DeanTheater for citing A L I E N and A L I E N S. I'm a sucker for creature-oriented sci-fi, so I gotta say the first Predator was flawlessly executed as well.

Witness for the Prosecution
Casablanca
Treasure of the Sierra Madre
dozens of others pre-Technicolor