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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #980 on: January 28, 2012, 03:00:50 PM »
Read an interesting article today that RP could be planning to blackmail himself into the cabinet. He could threaten the actual nominee to run as an Independent and thus almost guarantee the loss of that nominee. With that in his pocket he could try to secure himself an office in the administration by promising to play along.
Because, let's be honest, there is zero chance at this point to be nominated. However, if he manages to keep the 10% devout to himself until the nomination, he has a bargaining chip.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #981 on: January 28, 2012, 03:04:48 PM »
Not a bad play,  actually.  I wonder if he'd buck for a position where he could really influence things,  or a cush job with which to run out the clock.  Ambassador to Thailand would probably be a great job to settle into. 
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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #982 on: January 28, 2012, 03:11:30 PM »
I doubt he would go for a cushiony job, he's way too idealistic for that. He would want something like Treasury so he can shape policy. Which of course will give Romney a major headache since RP is really a loose cannon.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #983 on: January 28, 2012, 03:17:49 PM »
It'll be a catch-22 for whoever gets it (and for more hardcore, establishment voters a possible deal breaker), should be interesting to watch.
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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #984 on: January 28, 2012, 04:50:41 PM »
That would certainly be interesting.

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« Reply #985 on: January 28, 2012, 05:06:20 PM »
It would be hard to get the public perception right though I think. How would he go about it? Officially endorse the nominee he made the deal with? Given how hardcore his base is he would come across as a sellout, and that might backfire then.

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« Reply #986 on: January 28, 2012, 06:46:47 PM »
Speaking of the cabinet, the grapevine is hinting that both Clinton and Geithner will not stick around for Obama's 2nd term.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #987 on: January 29, 2012, 04:24:20 AM »
Speaking of the cabinet, the grapevine is hinting that both Clinton and Geithner will not stick around for Obama's 2nd term.
I don't know about a grapevine, but I'm pretty sure that Geitner said himself the other day that he doubted he would serve for a second term.
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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #988 on: January 29, 2012, 08:36:56 AM »
Wow. If the polls are to be believed, Gingrich's support has completely collapsed and Romney is 15 points ahead.

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« Reply #989 on: January 29, 2012, 08:53:28 PM »
Speaking of the cabinet, the grapevine is hinting that both Clinton and Geithner will not stick around for Obama's 2nd term.
I don't know about a grapevine, but I'm pretty sure that Geitner said himself the other day that he doubted he would serve for a second term.

I heard that too, but only from one source, and it hasn't been reported on much. I'll refer to that as the "grapevine," until there's an actual report on the issue.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #990 on: January 30, 2012, 05:57:41 AM »
It's not unusual for the cabinet to have a good amount of turnover between terms. Plus I'm sure Clinton is gearing herself up for another run at president in 2016.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #991 on: January 30, 2012, 11:02:41 AM »
pls go geithner. pls.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #992 on: January 30, 2012, 12:09:24 PM »
Speaking of the cabinet, the grapevine is hinting that both Clinton and Geithner will not stick around for Obama's 2nd term.
I don't know about a grapevine, but I'm pretty sure that Geitner said himself the other day that he doubted he would serve for a second term.

Clinton has already articulated that on more than one occasion as well.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #993 on: January 30, 2012, 12:12:14 PM »
Not a bad play,  actually.  I wonder if he'd buck for a position where he could really influence things,  or a cush job with which to run out the clock.  Ambassador to Thailand would probably be a great job to settle into.

Right and the counter play is to tell him "yeah, sure, you can have ____________________" position.  Then just do what every politician who ever lived has done.  Go back on your promise after you're elected.  What's Ron Paul going to do about it?  Hint: It's something that starts with an "N" and ends in "othing"  :lol

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« Reply #994 on: January 30, 2012, 12:36:41 PM »
Ron Paul will get played badly in a brokered convention if he is not the leader in delegates.

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« Reply #995 on: January 30, 2012, 01:34:25 PM »
Ron Paul will get played badly in a brokered convention if he is not the leader in delegates.

You seem to be in touch more with the RP base. Does anyone actually still believe that RP will be a leader in delegates? I mean, the show is over, right? Tomorrow Romney will have 69 delegates, and Ron Paul 3.

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« Reply #996 on: January 30, 2012, 03:32:18 PM »
What? There's no way to know the actual delegate count from the caucus states until their state conventions.

Plus, there will have been 4/50 primaries tomorrow - I can't believe people are so quick to declare a winner.

He's going to end up with about the same number of delegates as Gingrich, and Romney probably around 300 ahead of them.

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« Reply #997 on: January 30, 2012, 04:31:04 PM »
Which still is to say that Paul is, for all intents and purposes, sunk.
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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #998 on: January 30, 2012, 04:45:29 PM »
He's going to end up with about the same number of delegates as Gingrich
I sincerely doubt it.
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« Reply #999 on: January 30, 2012, 04:49:53 PM »
Of course I can't exactly quote stats on this, but how many candidates have gotten the nomination after they deserted the 4th most populous state in the nation? You don't win battles by fighting on the sidelines.

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« Reply #1000 on: January 30, 2012, 05:35:25 PM »
Ron Paul will win Montana.

Which will do him absolutely no good.

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« Reply #1001 on: January 30, 2012, 10:53:31 PM »
He'll also win Washington, and perhaps Alaska. Which will also do him no good.

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« Reply #1002 on: January 31, 2012, 08:23:57 AM »
After betting on the wrong horse, Cain is trying to improve his standings with Romney:

https://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2012/01/31/after_endorsing_gingrich_cain_says_romney_ok_too/?p1=News_links

Vying for a place in the administration, are we? :lol

He'll also win Washington, and perhaps Alaska. Which will also do him no good.

We'll see. In my perception he's now down to the core supporters. The undecided voters were at some points causing a slight upswing in his popularity, but at this point, in the eyes of undecided, he's out of the race.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1003 on: January 31, 2012, 08:27:40 AM »
That headline belongs in the Onion :lol

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1004 on: January 31, 2012, 09:28:15 AM »
That headline belongs in the Onion :lol

 :rollin   I was going to post the exact same thing!


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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1005 on: January 31, 2012, 06:55:19 PM »


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« Reply #1006 on: January 31, 2012, 07:04:06 PM »
Wow, I tried to watch Romney's victory speech tonight, and it's just amazing to me how much of a charlatan and demagogue the man is. Just spewing crap after crap that's either invalid or just completely lacking any evaluation. It was full of fucking lies, just pure lies, and a complete straw man of a President who does not exist. Of course, all the Republicans are responsible of this, but Romney seems to be staking his entire bid on complete lies. It's disgusting. 

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« Reply #1007 on: January 31, 2012, 07:15:35 PM »
How is it that the more rural you get, the more extreme and conservative people are? I'm looking at the by-county map of the Florida results, and there's places in nothern Florida where Gingrich has a 10% lead. And in every county that has a major city, Romney won by a landslide.

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« Reply #1008 on: January 31, 2012, 07:24:59 PM »
But Gingrich isn't really that conservative?

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« Reply #1009 on: January 31, 2012, 07:26:38 PM »
That's how he's positioning himself though against Romney.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1010 on: January 31, 2012, 07:50:40 PM »
I would just like to say that the winner/loser phase of the Florida primary bumped a keynote speech from Australia's Prime Minister discussing the economy, fiscal policy and industry policy from our two 24 hour news programs.

I hope you guys and your celebrity political system are happy.
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« Reply #1011 on: January 31, 2012, 08:04:30 PM »
Hey, we're the only country that matters, so...
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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1012 on: January 31, 2012, 08:34:20 PM »
I would just like to say that the winner/loser phase of the Florida primary bumped a keynote speech from Australia's Prime Minister discussing the economy, fiscal policy and industry policy from our two 24 hour news programs.

I hope you guys and your celebrity political system are happy.
I've been tired of this crap since November and we still have 6 months to go.  Ugh.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1013 on: January 31, 2012, 08:50:13 PM »
I would just like to say that the winner/loser phase of the Florida primary bumped a keynote speech from Australia's Prime Minister discussing the economy, fiscal policy and industry policy from our two 24 hour news programs.

I hope you guys and your celebrity political system are happy.
But how could we find the most qualified person for the job if we didn't do it this way? 

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #1014 on: January 31, 2012, 09:03:04 PM »
Predictable results in Florida. Holy shit, Latino's are truly embarrassing.