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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #665 on: January 03, 2012, 07:26:10 PM »
I'm amazed how well RP is doing.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #666 on: January 03, 2012, 08:06:17 PM »
Really? I'm surprised how well Santorum is doing.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #667 on: January 03, 2012, 08:26:33 PM »
Really? I'm surprised how well Santorum is doing.

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I'm not. The media was jerking him off the last few days, can't remember why. But it makes sense, in a way.
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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #668 on: January 03, 2012, 08:36:16 PM »
lol. Ron Paul is doing well. I'm loving it.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #669 on: January 03, 2012, 08:39:40 PM »
He seems to be falling behind though. But, only half of the votes are in so far.

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« Reply #670 on: January 03, 2012, 08:43:56 PM »
They haven't even started counting Jefferson county, the only county Paul won on 08. Also nothing in from Scott County - which is Ames, a college campus site.

I can't wait to go to bed, but I know I couldn't sleep - too exciting.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #671 on: January 03, 2012, 08:49:35 PM »
Ok. Seems like it's over for Paul.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #672 on: January 03, 2012, 08:50:28 PM »
Yeah, right now it's 4% difference to Santorum.

EDIT: WTF, it jumped from 60% reported to 79%!! Yeah, that will have been it.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #673 on: January 03, 2012, 08:54:24 PM »
FUCK!

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #674 on: January 03, 2012, 08:55:06 PM »
Romney came back! 25% right now. Paul is out.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #675 on: January 03, 2012, 09:00:34 PM »
Even Santorum's nephew hates his uncle!!!

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #676 on: January 03, 2012, 09:03:48 PM »
Ugh  :facepalm:

Does Romney bring anything to the table other than piles of cash?

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #677 on: January 03, 2012, 09:06:06 PM »
Only 12 votes of difference!!! What the hell?

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #678 on: January 03, 2012, 09:06:06 PM »
Ugh  :facepalm:

Does Romney bring anything to the table other than piles of cash?

He is the only one IMHO who has a chance to beat Obama.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #679 on: January 03, 2012, 09:07:00 PM »
I'm smelling a recount :lol

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #680 on: January 03, 2012, 09:18:43 PM »
They haven't even started counting Jefferson county, the only county Paul won on 08. Also nothing in from Scott County - which is Ames, a college campus site.

I can't wait to go to bed, but I know I couldn't sleep - too exciting.

Story county. I'm in Scott county which is the Quad Cities.

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« Reply #681 on: January 03, 2012, 09:19:29 PM »
Holy shit if people at Twitter are ignorant. When Paul said "We're all Austrians now" it was just a gag of Nixon's "We're all Keynesians now." Twitter retarded folks thinks he means Austrian citizens. :lol Idiots.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #682 on: January 03, 2012, 09:20:49 PM »
This is ridiculous. Romney is 13 votes ahead! :lol

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #683 on: January 03, 2012, 09:33:53 PM »
Man. 5.30 AM

On to New Hampshire. I'm hoping for Huntsman to surge in the last week like Santorum did, only that Huntsman takes votes from Romney, leaving RP unchanged. RP has a shot to do in South Carolina what he did in Iowa.

But it's looking more and more like the inevitable Romney nomination and the thus the inevitable reelection of Obama.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #684 on: January 03, 2012, 09:36:13 PM »
Ugh  :facepalm:

Does Romney bring anything to the table other than piles of cash?

He is the only one IMHO who has a chance to beat Obama.

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Really? I can't think of a reason he might outright lose to him, but I can't think of any sort of upper hand on his part aside from the cash. And cash really only votes so far.
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« Reply #685 on: January 03, 2012, 09:43:16 PM »
People are too stupid to understand all of Paul's positions, but he has a shot vs Obama because of independents and disgruntled progressives on civil liberties and foreign policy.

Romney would lose, he's just a weak flip flopper.

Huntsman is the only candidate who has a good shot at it, but he's too moderate for the base.

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« Reply #686 on: January 03, 2012, 09:44:56 PM »
People are too stupid to understand all of Paul's positions,

That must be it  :\

RP would have zero chance against Obama, sorry.

On to New Hampshire.

Do you really think anybody but Romney will win NH? He was the governor of Massachusetts, and there's a lot of MA Republicans who live in Southern NH. He's going at 41% in the current polls.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #687 on: January 03, 2012, 10:05:35 PM »
It's going to be a LOT closer than it looks now. That's all I'm going to say. Santorum and Huntsman are going to come from behind, RP will end @ about 20% in NH too, Romney maybe at 27.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #688 on: January 03, 2012, 10:09:11 PM »
I very much doubt that prediction. NH isn't chock full of evangelicals like Iowa is, and Romney was quite a popular governor in MA for the Republicans. That doesn't just go away.
Regarding RP, my prediction is that his star is setting soon. I think this was his peak. Had he won he could have extended his momentum, but the conclusion here was that it was between Romney and Santorum.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #689 on: January 03, 2012, 10:16:55 PM »
Maybe I'm just being fed what I want, but this article just popped up:

https://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-winner-iowa-caucuses-strategy-201201

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #690 on: January 03, 2012, 10:19:58 PM »
Errr .... am I understanding this article correctly in that it suggests RP volunteers are planning to go against the will of Iowa and try to subvert the process by secretly becoming delegates in the RNC and then voting for RP in the actual nomination?
If he actually tried that and somebody could prove it, it would be the immediate end of RP.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #691 on: January 03, 2012, 10:24:09 PM »
A "recount" is certainly on tonight's menu.
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« Reply #692 on: January 03, 2012, 10:27:36 PM »
Well. It's well within the realms of the delegate process, it's about depth of support really.

You may see it as undemocratic, and the caucus system really confuses me and is a bit undemocratic, but it's the way it is.

Ron Paul may as well end up with an unproprtionally large number of delegates.

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"Delegates from the precinct caucuses go on to the county conventions, which choose delegates to the district conventions, which in turn selects delegates to the Iowa State Convention. Thus, it is the Republican Iowa State Convention, not the precinct caucuses, which selects the ultimate delegates from Iowa to the Republican National Convention. All delegates are officially unbound from the results of the precinct caucus, although media organizations either estimate delegate numbers by estimating county convention results or simply divide them proportionally."

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« Reply #693 on: January 03, 2012, 10:29:54 PM »
Well. It's well within the realms of the delegate process, it's about depth of support really.

You may see it as undemocratic, and the caucus system really confuses me and is a bit undemocratic, but it's the way it is.

Ron Paul may as well end up with an unproprtionally large number of delegates.

Your statement right there pretty much cements my belief of what's wrong with RP's base. I mean, you'd be plain willing to override the public vote just to have it your way.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #694 on: January 03, 2012, 10:30:43 PM »
Jeez, 98%, and now Romney is back on top :lol

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« Reply #695 on: January 03, 2012, 10:34:25 PM »
Well. It's well within the realms of the delegate process, it's about depth of support really.

You may see it as undemocratic, and the caucus system really confuses me and is a bit undemocratic, but it's the way it is.

Ron Paul may as well end up with an unproprtionally large number of delegates.

Your statement right there pretty much cements my belief of what's wrong with RP's base. I mean, you'd be plain willing to override the public vote just to have it your way.

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The caucus system is designed for this, it's for depth of support. Primary states speaks more about breadth of support. This is how the game is played.

It's either play, or get played.


Now 5 votes between frothy and mittens.

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Re: Election 2012
« Reply #696 on: January 03, 2012, 10:38:00 PM »
Just 5 votes, absolutely insane.

I know this is somewhat unrelated? But does anyone know offhand how large a difference the popular and electoral vote count was between George Bush and Gore back in '00?
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« Reply #697 on: January 03, 2012, 10:39:45 PM »
@jsem: Sorry,but sticking around the longest after the event does not qualify you to override thousands of people's faithful vote. The fact that you seriously suggest this is nothing but disturbing.But, as you said, people are apparently too stupid to understand RP's policies, so I guess their votes don't really count.

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« Reply #698 on: January 03, 2012, 10:48:08 PM »
But what are you supposed to do, play nice even though you could play rough WITHIN the rules? People ought to understand how the caucus process works, this is about ORGANIZATION on the behalf of the campaign and DEPTH OF SUPPORT. This is more about getting out the vote, it's also about getting the voters to stay around and be active in being delegates.

That being said, I seriously don't understand the stupidity of the caucus process, and the delegate process altogether, and why some states are first and the last states have almost no say in choosing their nominee - it's a stupid voting process as a whole. Primaries like New Hampshire are much fairer imo. I'm saying that I don't agree with the game, but when you're in it you've gotta play the way it CAN be - and it's completely within the rules.

STILL: The caucus straw vote is more about creating momentum, the delegates are awarded in March or something.

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« Reply #699 on: January 04, 2012, 12:25:01 AM »
I'm smelling a recount :lol

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Is it winner take all? I know some aren't, but I don't know what Iowa does.