Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album

[jammindude]

I wonder if he’s decided to sit at home and just take stems of older Queensryche material and completely mix it from scratch to his liking. He could create almost anything with stems from previous recording sessions. And if he has equal rights to the Queensryche name....

That’s just me thinking out loud

[Setzer]

Maybe Todd and Parker are getting kicked out of the band?
This is too weird.

[Dedalus]

At the moment I am in doubt as to whether Scott needs a designer/marketing specialist or a psychiatrist.

[gzarruk]

Also, this is from Todd's Facebook, replying to a comment about Scott:

haven't heard from him in years. If he wanted to play again that would be news to me. 

[Trav86]

Maybe Todd and Parker are getting kicked out of the band?
This is too weird.

They were kicked out of the imaginary band in his head.

[TAC]

Here's another pic, Scott second from the right.

[Dedalus]

 

[KevShmev]

Also, why they never release the DVD of Operation Videocrime in any those special editions?

The one from the Empire tour?  Yeah, that needs a proper DVD and/or Blu-ray release.  Heck, Mindcrime is only my 3rd or 4th favorite album by the band, but that performance was incredible and I'd love to get a good copy of that.

[SalvadorDalisDilemma]

That Toxic Remedy demo on Scott's new site very obviously has Todd's voice on it.  I don't know why Scott would put out a demo with that if there is strife between him and the rest of the band.  Has anyone who "joined the legion" there yet (I don't want to do this just now) seen any of the InnerViews and Queensryche images that seem to be available yet?

[Samsara]

Rockenfield has now added another audio player to his QR site, this one featuring a complete song, a demo of Toxic Remedy from 2014. I'm really not sure what the point of all this is.

Damn. This is going to get ugly again...

Hard to see how it couldn't. Not sure what Scott is doing. I will say the demo of Toxic Remedy is cool.

Has Ed or Michael said anything since all this popped up?

I don't know what the band's agreement looks like NOW, but when it was put together after the split, I believe Scott, Ed, and Michael were the principals. Todd and Parker were employees. That could have changed, but if memory serves me right, that was the original configuration. So if Scott is doing this on his own, without the permission of at least one other principal member, I'm not sure what to think.

The confusion, however, is off the charts.

My guess is, the speculation is driving interest (we're all talking about it) which is what Scott is wanting. The same with listing all that "merchandi$e" on the website promoting things he knows fans would gobble up. Make him some money.

If this is all being done by Scott alone and not authorized by the band, here comes another lawsuit...unless Scott is banking on them not being able to afford another messy legal affair. Using the Queensryche name was one thing. Surprised he used the imagery of Michael and Ed, especially if it was without permission. Which at this point, none of us know.

It's all so ridiculous. Just end the damn band already. Such a disgrace.

Bad enough Capitol Records basically mailed it in with the lackluster re-releases of Empire and Mindcrime. Now we have this mess too. 

[Samsara]

p.s. bosk1 - about Dirty Lil Secret

It came out during the PL era as a B-side. I'm not necessarily sure that it was recorded during the Empire sessions. It may have been recorded at the same time Real World was. There isn't much information on Dirty Lil Secret. I am editing the PL section of the book now, and what I am basically going to say in there is it was a B-Side from the Promised Land era that was released on ******** single (I forget which at the moment) as a B-Side. But further information on the track, and when it was recorded is unknown, but it likely originated in late-1992 or early-1993. It's basically the one song nothing really exists about. I know I remember someone in the band saying once that it was one of those songs that didn't fit the vibe they ultimately went for with PL. But that's all I remember. So the book will mention it, put it in with PL, etc.

But it absolutely should not be on the Empire remaster and such as a b-side of that record. It wasn't. It was a b-side from one of the songs on PL, and while I don't have any definitive proof, my guess is it was recorded around the same time Real World was.

[devieira73]

Also, why they never release the DVD of Operation Videocrime in any those special editions?

The one from the Empire tour?

No, it’s a 30 minutes (maybe a bit more) VHS with all the videoclips from the album. Those videos are all excellent!

[Samsara]

Dev,

Thats Video Mindcrime. It was released on the 20th or 25th anniversary edition of Mindcrime. Its a blue box set.

[Setlist Scotty]

That Toxic Remedy demo on Scott's new site very obviously has Todd's voice on it.  I don't know why Scott would put out a demo with that if there is strife between him and the rest of the band.

Perhaps it's to bait the other guys into doing something. Or it could just be proof that he's got rarities from the QR vault that he's planning to share/$ell.   
 
 

I will say the demo of Toxic Remedy is cool.

Totally agree - love stuff like that. If there's one positive that comes out of this weird situation, I hope that we'll see stuff like this be made available to the fans for purchase or otherwise.
 
 

Has Ed or Michael said anything since all this popped up?

Tho I know you've taken a step back, I think we probably all believe you'd know before the rest of us, especially with your connections in writing the book.
 
 

Surprised he used the imagery of Michael and Ed, especially if it was without permission. Which at this point, none of us know.

That and the tri-ryche from the cover of the 2013 s/t album being used as part of the background image on the website.

[jjrock88]

This is why I now only listen to the EP- Hear in the Now Frontier and pretend anything after that never happened. Pretty simple for me

[MirrorMask]

Here's another pic, Scott second from the right.

Why there's a lineup with QR members if the photo is different and there's no one else aside Scott? 

[Setlist Scotty]

Here's another pic, Scott second from the right.

Why there's a lineup with QR members if the photo is different and there's no one else aside Scott? 

I think you failed to miss the joke that TAC made, substituting his favorite band for Scott and his supposed version of QR.   

[Lowdz]

This is why I now only listen to the EP- Hear in the Now Frontier and pretend anything after that never happened. Pretty simple for me

everything post PL for me, until Todd came along.

[KevShmev]

Dev,

Thats Video Mindcrime. It was released on the 20th or 25th anniversary edition of Mindcrime. Its a blue box set.

Assuming you meant Kev, not Dev , duly noted. I will have to seek that out.

This is why I now only listen to the EP- Hear in the Now Frontier and pretend anything after that never happened. Pretty simple for me

I like Right Side of My Mind from Q2K a lot, but aside from that and a few Hear in the Now Frontier songs that I will listen to once a year or so, I get my Queensryche fix by listening (now that I am adding the EP into the mix) to 1983-1994 material. But really, I would imagine 90% of my Queensryche listening time goes to Promised Land and Rage for Order. 

[DoctorAction]

Ugh, this "band"... The idea that there's a common goal, passion or ability to put out anything remotely affecting at this point is completely risible to me.

[ytserush]

clicking Amazon: 
https://www.amazon.com/Empire-3CD-DVD-Queensryche/dp/B083XX252G/ref=sr_1_1?ascsubtag=3281580f0a7bf66e08f11850ecbd5eee&dchild=1&fbclid=IwAR0PcGe4qyKodteHkhP5L-lona-2mCPYPBZ5PioeT9MIdqlA_nfcH2TJbmE&linkCode=as2&qid=1620943030&sr=8-1

For   'discovermusic'   
https://shop.udiscovermusic.com/collections/queensryche?fbclid=IwAR0PcGe4qyKodteHkhP5L-lona-2mCPYPBZ5PioeT9MIdqlA_nfcH2TJbmE

discovermusic has all the track listings

Guess these are must gets.  Wish Promised Land were included and I'd never need anything else from Queensryche again.  MTV probably owns unplugged so that isn't likely to see the light of day anytime soon.

[ytserush]

I never got into any QR stuff after Promised Land, and have only sampled a few things since then, enough to know I wasn’t interested. Then the Tate stuff happened and now this just makes me very happy to not have invested much in this band beyond Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land.

I stopped at Mindcrime I and II at the Moore, but I probably shouldn't have gotten that far. Changed my tune a bit on Hear and The Now Frontier. Like the Take Cover album and most of American Soldier which surprised me because I was close to pulling the cord before then.

[ytserush]

Extremely disappointed about both the Empire and Mindcrime editions, and whatever the sound clip is on Scott Rock's QR site.

Empire and Mindcrime remastered...again. Cool. Bonus tracks, same stuff as usual. Just sort of repackaged around. The only thing that catches my eye is, on Mindcrime, Live in Wisconsin...is that LIVEcrime? I assume so. But so much of all this stuff on both records is available everywhere, and has been available everywhere.

Cool for fans who may not have gotten any of that stuff, but for hardcores, who I would expect these are aimed at, there's nothing "collectable" here except more commentary from Tate.

Pass. Sadly.

You're right. Sounds like LIVEcrime to me but I suppose it would be nice to have an alternate show if that is still available

 I never upgraded from video so the London show for me is the only think that will be new for me. I like that they are remastered at Abbey Road so maybe that will be an improvement and I can ditch my other copies. It will be nice to have everything in one place, but that's the only attraction I can see so I'm a reluctant yes.

Likely this will be my last Queensryche purchases ever.

[devieira73]

Dev,

Thats Video Mindcrime. It was released on the 20th or 25th anniversary edition of Mindcrime. Its a blue box set.

Thanks! I didn't know that it was released in DVD, cool. Those videos are all very well done and they give an interesting resume of the album's history
Edit: this one, right?
https://www.discogs.com/Queensr%C3%BFche-Operation-Mindcrime/release/2900306

[Setlist Scotty]

I never got into any QR stuff after Promised Land, and have only sampled a few things since then, enough to know I wasn’t interested. Then the Tate stuff happened and now this just makes me very happy to not have invested much in this band beyond Mindcrime, Empire, and Promised Land.

I stopped at Mindcrime I and II at the Moore, but I probably shouldn't have gotten that far. Changed my tune a bit on Hear and The Now Frontier. Like the Take Cover album and most of American Soldier which surprised me because I was close to pulling the cord before then.

Have you ever heard any of the Todd-era music? If you haven't, I think you'd be selling yourself short! Far better than anything they have done post-PL.
 
 

Extremely disappointed about both the Empire and Mindcrime editions, and whatever the sound clip is on Scott Rock's QR site.

Empire and Mindcrime remastered...again. Cool. Bonus tracks, same stuff as usual. Just sort of repackaged around. The only thing that catches my eye is, on Mindcrime, Live in Wisconsin...is that LIVEcrime? I assume so. But so much of all this stuff on both records is available everywhere, and has been available everywhere.

Cool for fans who may not have gotten any of that stuff, but for hardcores, who I would expect these are aimed at, there's nothing "collectable" here except more commentary from Tate.

Pass. Sadly.

You're right. Sounds like LIVEcrime to me but I suppose it would be nice to have an alternate show if that is still available

 I never upgraded from video so the London show for me is the only think that will be new for me. I like that they are remastered at Abbey Road so maybe that will be an improvement and I can ditch my other copies. It will be nice to have everything in one place, but that's the only attraction I can see so I'm a reluctant yes.

Likely this will be my last Queensryche purchases ever.

Considering that everything else just seems to be a rehash of what's already available except newly remastered (oh yay - again?  ) I doubt that the live O:M from Wisconsin is anything but LIVEcrime. Can't see/understand why you'd think either of these box sets is worth purchasing if you already have everything, which I believe you do.

[KevShmev]

Seems like the first album they did with Todd had a few good songs, but the sound quality was so bad that I eventually deleted the songs from my iTunes.  It was like listening to music on a transistor radio in the 80's again.

[Setlist Scotty]

Oh boy - here we go....   

Todd decides to sell some old Scott Rockenfield drum sticks on eBay here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/265161506400

Scott reacts by posting on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/scott.rockenfield)

Much interesting interaction these days…not even sure where to begin with this one?…Maybe you can help..?  Gonna pose a question / love to hear any feedback? :
“basic question” : “WHAT WOULD YOU DO “ ?
as follows:
— ‘IMAGINE this ” - You are the original founding member (+2 partners) : INTERNATIONAL BRAND / TRADEMARK/ EQUAL AS OWNERS / PARTNERS / SHAREHOLDERS / DIRECTORS  etc…  an “employee/staff member” has been-and is currently still selling “YOUR PERSONAL” items which include YOUR “personal autograph” and are owned by You (the owner?)   ? …and all for his own profit? …..  ..?
“WHAT WOULD YOU DO “ ?

Todd then responds on his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/Official.ToddLaTorre)

These are mine to do what I want with. He gave them to me, 8 years ago, because he was going to throw them away and I asked if I could have them to which he said yes. Lol, he threw sticks out every night at shows, and some people decide to sell such items on Ebay. It is totally legal and this is my property to do what I want with, so I am and I will. People sell items with logos and signatures all day long, it's called memorabilia, not trademark infringement lol. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to sell a car. I would be more upset releasing and selling a private demo (with my lyrics, melodies, and voice) on a website without the band's knowledge or consent, but that's just me lol. The guy bails on the band and fans for years now and he is upset about this? Good grief.

[KevShmev]

Yikes.  Neither comes off well there at all.  Todd is probably more in the right, but the tone and attitude of his comments make me think he is no better than Tate.  I guess he fits right in, given the ugly history of the band.  Somewhere, Chris DeMargo has to be happy as hell to have gotten away from this clown show.

[Dedalus]

        


All at once 

[Dedalus]

Yikes.  Neither comes off well there at all.  Todd is probably more in the right, but the tone and attitude of his comments make me think he is no better than Tate.  I guess he fits right in, given the ugly history of the band.  Somewhere, Chris DeMargo has to be happy as hell to have gotten away from this clown show.

I spent about three seconds thinking "who is Chris DeMargo"? 

[IDontNotDoThings]

Much interesting interaction these days…not even sure where to begin with this one?…Maybe you can help..?  Gonna pose a question / love to hear any feedback? :
“basic question” : “WHAT WOULD YOU DO “ ?
as follows:
— ‘IMAGINE this ” - You are the original founding member (+2 partners) : INTERNATIONAL BRAND / TRADEMARK/ EQUAL AS OWNERS / PARTNERS / SHAREHOLDERS / DIRECTORS  etc…  an “employee/staff member” has been-and is currently still selling “YOUR PERSONAL” items which include YOUR “personal autograph” and are owned by You (the owner?)   ? …and all for his own profit? …..  ..?
“WHAT WOULD YOU DO “ ?

Jesus Christ, why do people find it so hard to type coherently?

Yeah, I'm siding with Todd on this one. You'd think if Scott was so precious about what people do with his drumsticks, maybe he would've, like... kept them... or something?

Of course Todd could've asked, but that's a bit difficult when you've disappeared off the face of the earth for over a year

It seems to me like he's just using this completely ordinary situation to fuel whatever beef he had with Todd already, which makes it stupid that this petty shit is made public while the actual source of the contention is kept private.

[wolfking]

I gotta say, I find with the sudden activity from Scott out of nowhere, Todd deciding to put theses on Ebay for sale is a bit of a dick move.  He's done this on purpose by the looks of it.

[Dedalus]

I gotta say, I find with the sudden activity from Scott out of nowhere, Todd deciding to put theses on Ebay for sale is a bit of a dick move.  He's done this on purpose by the looks of it.

And it wasn't very smart. The strangeness was all on the Rockenfield side of the force.

[wolfking]

I gotta say, I find with the sudden activity from Scott out of nowhere, Todd deciding to put theses on Ebay for sale is a bit of a dick move.  He's done this on purpose by the looks of it.

And it wasn't very smart. The strangeness was all on the Rockenfield side of the force.

Todd is fueling the fire.  Scott was already looking like a fuckwit on his own merit, Todd has just brought himself down and the name of the band.  He's put the current lineups integrity into question IMO.  unless there's more going on behind the scenes that we know about, but what would Eddie and Micheal think of Todd's written response.  Not smart at all, regardless if he is in the right or not.

[EPICVIEW]

Im giddy ,,,  thank you Santa.   The drama is better than the music