Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album

[ozzy554]

If something fishy was going on why wait 4 years to say anything. I mean it could be a weird situation but they've done several tours and a full album without him and how he has that odd pot stirring post. I just don't get it.

[EPICVIEW]

Scott is one hot mess lately.   He cant seem to just speak clearly, WTF.   the whole mess on his "status" is due to HIM!!

Sounds like you know more than the rest of us. Care to fill us in on what you know?

: )    No..   but we all know hes had a rough ride personally since the split.  the divorce and the new baby etc .. I think Scott didnt enjoy being the "leader" and the having the responsibility. I think it was a rough patch for him IMO all around and he likes his side projects etc,,, and then he chose to go silent as we all waited,  I have no issue with any of it actually and wish Scott the best always.
Back to the topic  : )

[Setlist Scotty]

Scott is one hot mess lately.   He cant seem to just speak clearly, WTF.   the whole mess on his "status" is due to HIM!!

Sounds like you know more than the rest of us. Care to fill us in on what you know?

: )    No..   but we all know hes had a rough ride personally since the split.  the divorce and the new baby etc

Beyond the divorce and new baby, what else has been established as fact, though? There have been rumors that he had a downward spiral into drugs, which may or may not have been mentioned by Tater - can't remember - but what has been proven? I remember Scott posted a super dark photo of himself in his FB profile a year or so ago with a neck tattoo, IIRC. But other than that, there hasn't been much that's based on solid evidence, or am I forgetting something?

In any case, with regards to Scott's recent post, I can't help but think we've already been down this road once before. At least one year ago, either he or Eddie Trunk announced that he was gonna be on Eddie’s show and clear everything up...which never happened. And now this. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if some kinda underhanded business crap has been going on (and by this, I am saying Scott could be at least somewhat responsible, too), and because Scott can’t get resolution with the rest of the band in a way he wants, now he’s making noise to draw attention and force the band to address whatever issue it is, or else he’s gonna go public and air their dirty laundry. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happened to the supposed Eddie Trunk appearance, and I’ll bet the same thing happens here, and Scott will never reveal anything.

[EPICVIEW]

Scott is one hot mess lately.   He cant seem to just speak clearly, WTF.   the whole mess on his "status" is due to HIM!!

Sounds like you know more than the rest of us. Care to fill us in on what you know?

: )    No..   but we all know hes had a rough ride personally since the split.  the divorce and the new baby etc

Beyond the divorce and new baby, what else has been established as fact, though? There have been rumors that he had a downward spiral into drugs, which may or may not have been mentioned by Tater - can't remember - but what has been proven? I remember Scott posted a super dark photo of himself in his FB profile a year or so ago with a neck tattoo, IIRC. But other than that, there hasn't been much that's based on solid evidence, or am I forgetting something?

In any case, with regards to Scott's recent post, I can't help but think we've already been down this road once before. At least one year ago, either he or Eddie Trunk announced that he was gonna be on Eddie’s show and clear everything up...which never happened. And now this. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if some kinda underhanded business crap has been going on (and by this, I am saying Scott could be at least somewhat responsible, too), and because Scott can’t get resolution with the rest of the band in a way he wants, now he’s making noise to draw attention and force the band to address whatever issue it is, or else he’s gonna go public and air their dirty laundry. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happened to the supposed Eddie Trunk appearance, and I’ll bet the same thing happens here, and Scott will never reveal anything.

I agree with your post,.. I dont think Scott will follow up with anything either, I think his words were more about QR going back into the studio and him not being part of it, I think its more legal squawking on who will be on the CD and touring contracts, and how he will get paid as a stock owner or be bought out. Id also bet the terms of his divorce, alimony etc comes into play. its always about the money as its a business

[jjrock88]

This might have just been a drunken FB post out of spite that will have zero follow up

[goo-goo]

I don't have any inside info on QR but maybe the band wanted to buyout Scott so Casey can go in as a full time member. 4 years of not contributing anything is nice for Scott but it has to suck (financially) for QR.

I know in the firm that I work with, they bought out an ex-owner but the payouts to that former owner lasted 2 years.

[cfmoran13]

This is just silly!  If you read anything from MW or TLT, they never say he was kicked out.  He simply stopped communicating.  Wilton has gone on record as saying that "the door is alway open" if Scott wanted to come back.  They've presented a pretty solid story from their side how they held out as long as they could for him to come back.  And, when he didn't, they moved on.  Once again, never saying he was fired or kicked out.  As for Eddie Trunk, ET has said that people often commit to appearing without thinking things through (or speaking with their lawyers) and these appearances never materialize.  That's probably the case here, especially if the main issue is financial.

Like everyone here has already said, if you're not going to tell your side of the story, just keep your mouth shut! 

[Kwyjibo]

Couldn't care less about what Scott may have to say. For some reason or another he wasn't there when the TLT-Queensryche put out their best record to date.

So this is much more interesting imo:

La Torre just retweeted Zeuss...

“And so it begins..#Rÿche#4”

[Cruithne]

I don't have any inside info on QR but maybe the band wanted to buyout Scott so Casey can go in as a full time member. 4 years of not contributing anything is nice for Scott but it has to suck (financially) for QR.

Well quite. I would imagine there's clauses in the band agreements regarding their shareholdings that does require them to actually contribute, not just sit on their arse drawing down their dividend at the end of the year.

IIRC there was at least one band where a member was unable to fulfill their duties and they basically deducted what was required to be paid for a touring musician from that member's dividend, so maybe QR's management have ended up doing something similar... at least after a while when it became clear Scott just wasn't going to contribute.

Anyway, all speculation on my part (and I'm really not sure I do remember correctly wrt hat last paragraph) so who knows. I'd much rather Rockenfield drumming than TLT and Casey Grillo but if it's what they need to do to keep functioning then so be it. I still think Wilton/Jackson have a few more great tunes in them that I want to hear.

If he has something to say, just say it and stop acting like a teenager vaguebooking for the attention.

[devieira73]

Composing new album with Casey on drums:👍
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/new-queensryche-drummer-casey-grillo-is-involved-in-songwriting-for-next-album/?fbclid=IwAR2qhTGOjTGsKx02WbRGi8MbdtSMOuEZ5m4s3mHBx2dDfvjzjOIZ9DQbXAU

[Mister Gold]

Composing new album with Casey on drums:👍
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/new-queensryche-drummer-casey-grillo-is-involved-in-songwriting-for-next-album/?fbclid=IwAR2qhTGOjTGsKx02WbRGi8MbdtSMOuEZ5m4s3mHBx2dDfvjzjOIZ9DQbXAU

Ooh, that's good news! Casey's a great drummer in his own right, there's no reason not to include him in the writing process moving forward.

[EPICVIEW]

All I know is that Id rather be Geoff with full ownership of OMCI and OMC !! in this crazy political climate and selling of  his stock at its near peak,  OMC has never been more relevant and that was by far the crown jewel of QR as a concept  band and band period.  IMO QR is long gone and what I call Toddsryche is different band , like Lynch Mob vs Don Dokken ... thats simply MY OPINION.
I really hope Scott is doing fine, and is healthy

[devieira73]

A new Sweet Oblivion album (but, not surpisingly, without Mularoni):
https://www.frontiers.shop/detail/index/sArticle/1146

[RodrigoAltaf]

A new Sweet Oblivion album (but, not surpisingly, without Mularoni):
https://www.frontiers.shop/detail/index/sArticle/1146

 HIT ME, I'M READY!!! I spoke with Alessandro Del Vecchio and asked if it would follow the same path as the first one, and he said this one is even more Queensryche-y.

[wolfking]

A new Sweet Oblivion album (but, not surpisingly, without Mularoni):
https://www.frontiers.shop/detail/index/sArticle/1146

 HIT ME, I'M READY!!! I spoke with Alessandro Del Vecchio and asked if it would follow the same path as the first one, and he said this one is even more Queensryche-y.

Which is strange since Simone wrote in a more Queensryche vein and he got ripped and Geoff tried to totally change the songs and the style in the other direction.  Weird.

[devieira73]

I think Sweet Oblivion is a bit generic, but also it's good enough to just hear Geoff singing this kind of music again.
Let's see how it's gonna be the songwritting on this new one, it depends how good Aldo Lonobile (Secret Sphere, Timo Tolkki's Avalon, Archon Angel) can be.
I think Tobias Sammet could do an excellent melodic metal album, composing all the songs with Geoff's classic style in mind, like he did in the last 2 Avantasia's albums (on the songs sung by Geoff).

[kirksnosehair]

I guess I'll check out the new Sweet Oblivion album but I have to admit even though Geoff sounded fine on the last one I found it pretty forgettable.  It wasn't bad or even flawed in a major way other than just not being very compelling and every time I listened to it I was doing it more out of a feeling that eventually it would have to click, it just never did, even after a solid 10 listens front to back.  It had nothing to do with Geoff, though, I just didn't find it all that interesting.

[RodrigoAltaf]

I guess I'll check out the new Sweet Oblivion album but I have to admit even though Geoff sounded fine on the last one I found it pretty forgettable.  It wasn't bad or even flawed in a major way other than just not being very compelling and every time I listened to it I was doing it more out of a feeling that eventually it would have to click, it just never did, even after a solid 10 listens front to back.  It had nothing to do with Geoff, though, I just didn't find it all that interesting.

I liked it when it came out, but Geoff was so dismissive of it, and so not engaged when I interviewed him about the album, that it put me off. He was happier to talk about his tour playing Empire in full than he was to talk about Sweet Oblivion.

[IDontNotDoThings]

Scott Rock just posted this on Facebook:

wanna hear a fun story? goes like this :
”Contrary to any statements or interviews coming from other parties, I most definitely 'did not' and 'have not' quit,  walked away, retired or abandoned Queensryche??!! ….unfortunately, you have not been given the facts by any means…”
a total cliffhanger right? ….
more soon

so, did anything actually come of this?

[RodrigoAltaf]

Scott Rock just posted this on Facebook:

wanna hear a fun story? goes like this :
”Contrary to any statements or interviews coming from other parties, I most definitely 'did not' and 'have not' quit,  walked away, retired or abandoned Queensryche??!! ….unfortunately, you have not been given the facts by any means…”
a total cliffhanger right? ….
more soon

so, did anything actually come of this?

Not yet. And I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

[wolfking]

New Todd song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERZTehe3M7o

This album is shaping up very nicely.

Really nice solo.

[Peter Mc]

All I know is that Id rather be Geoff with full ownership of OMCI and OMC !! in this crazy political climate and selling of  his stock at its near peak,  OMC has never been more relevant and that was by far the crown jewel of QR as a concept  band and band period.  IMO QR is long gone and what I call Toddsryche is different band , like Lynch Mob vs Don Dokken ... thats simply MY OPINION.
I really hope Scott is doing fine, and is healthy

When you say full ownership, that’s not strictly correct.  He’s just the only person who can play the whole thing from start to finish.  OMC II is an absolute pile of shite anyway and QR can still play whatever they want from the original album, just not the whole thing in one show which has been done to death anyway.  They could still do a show with Revolution Calling, Spreading The Disease, Suite Sister Mary, Breaking The Silence, I Don’t Believe In Love and Eyes Of A Stanger for example and that would leave plenty of fans happy.

[gazinwales]

New Todd song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERZTehe3M7o

This album is shaping up very nicely.

Really nice solo.

Agreed CD/LP is on its way to me, really looking forward to hearing the whole album.

[Peter Mc]

Unfortunately that was a big "meh" for me. Doesn't showcase his vocal ability. Repetitive and derivative of every thrash song ever. Also, totally forgettable solo. If you love thrash though, you'll enjoy it.

Agreed.  He’s actually put out another new song today which is more in a QR vein and showcases his vocals more but it’s nothing special unfortunately.

[TAC]

New Todd song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERZTehe3M7o

This album is shaping up very nicely.

Really nice solo.

Preordered!

[wolfking]

New Todd song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERZTehe3M7o

This album is shaping up very nicely.

Really nice solo.

Preordered!

Might add this one to the list.

[goo-goo]

Holy balls. Just got this in the mail and it smokes (in a good way). Totally unexpected. Very heavy stuff and it showcases Todd's vocal capabilities (Tate, Halford, and some Ax Rose on this one).

[bosk1]

All I know is that Id rather be Geoff with full ownership of OMCI and OMC !! in this crazy political climate and selling of  his stock at its near peak,  OMC has never been more relevant and that was by far the crown jewel of QR as a concept  band and band period.  IMO QR is long gone and what I call Toddsryche is different band , like Lynch Mob vs Don Dokken ... thats simply MY OPINION.
I really hope Scott is doing fine, and is healthy

When you say full ownership, that’s not strictly correct.  He’s just the only person who can play the whole thing from start to finish.  OMC II is an absolute pile of shite anyway and QR can still play whatever they want from the original album, just not the whole thing in one show which has been done to death anyway.  They could still do a show with Revolution Calling, Spreading The Disease, Suite Sister Mary, Breaking The Silence, I Don’t Believe In Love and Eyes Of A Stanger for example and that would leave plenty of fans happy.

Good point.  Probably should have been mentioned earlier.  But I suspect that when most see "Epicview," they just assume "troll" and don't bother to read anyway.

As for the Todd song, I agree with the last few posts.  The first couple didn't really grab me at all, but this one is really good.  When I saw the title, I was like, "Um...Roads To Madness, anyone?"  Then when the soft guitar started, and the low vocals, I started laughing to myself.  Todd sometimes really has a problem escaping his influences.  But that said, once the song really gets going, it clearly has its own identity.  Not bad at all.

Not sure why Sweet Oblivion is being discussed in this thread.  I don't even know what Sweet Oblivion is, but what does it have to do with Queensryche?

[goo-goo]

Not sure why Sweet Oblivion is being discussed in this thread.  I don't even know what Sweet Oblivion is, but what does it have to do with Queensryche?

Geoff on vocals. The first one is really good (DGM guitarist wrote it). For the 2nd one, DelVechio (part of the Frontiers Factory) wrote it. Not sure what to expect from the 2nd one.

[ProfessorPeart]

But I suspect that when most see "Epicview," they just assume "troll" and don't bother to read anyway.

In the context of this thread, you are not wrong. I always expect a shot at Todd and/or the current QR lineup and then words of praise aimed at Geoff.

[romdrums]

I've tried to get into these songs, but I can't get passed the sampled drums.  Rather than listening to the songs, I'm trying to figure out which preset they used from Superior Drummer 3.  I'm spending my time thinking, "is that the Andy Sneap preset?  Or is it Jens Bogren?" and it takes me right out of the ability to listen to it.  I hope the album does well for him, but it's not working for me.

[wolfking]

But I suspect that when most see "Epicview," they just assume "troll" and don't bother to read anyway.

In the context of this thread, you are not wrong. I always expect a shot at Todd and/or the current QR lineup and then words of praise aimed at Geoff.

And that's pretty much what we get.

[T-ski]

I’ve really soured on Todd’s vocals since he took over for Tate and these new songs reaffirm I just don’t like the way he sings.

[kirksnosehair]

Opinions are always fascinating to me because I think Todd is the best thing to happen to QR since they parted ways with Geoff Tate, which was LONG overdue.  The last 3 albums with him are the best music they've released in 20 years

[bosk1]

Opinions are always fascinating to me because I think Todd is the best thing to happen to QR since they parted ways with Geoff Tate, which was LONG overdue.  The last 3 albums with him are the best music they've released in 20 years

Couldn't agree more.  And I would probably go a bit past 20 years.