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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3535 on: February 21, 2019, 05:53:58 AM »
EP - 5
The Warning - 8
Rage For Order - 9
Operation Mindcrime - 10
Empire - 10
Promised Land - 7

Hear In The Now Frontier - 4
Q2K - 7
Tribe - 1
Operation Mindcrime II - 2
American Soldier - 3
Dedicated To Chaos - never heard that one

QR12 - 7
Condition Human - 8
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3536 on: February 21, 2019, 06:33:33 AM »
EP - 7
The Warning - 8
Rage For Order - 9
Operation Mindcrime - 10
Empire - 10
Promised Land - 8

Hear In The Now Frontier - 7
Q2K - 5
Tribe - 6
Operation Mindcrime II - 4
American Soldier - 5
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Condition Human - 8
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3537 on: February 21, 2019, 09:12:36 AM »
So I will say off the bat that QR basically has the best opening run of albums of any band I can think of:

EP - 9
Warning - 9.5
RFO - 9.75
O:M - 10
Empire - 9
Promised Land - 9.75
HitNF - 5
Q2K - 6
Tribe - 7.5
O:MII - 7
American Soldier - 7.5
D2C - 1
ST - 7.5
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3538 on: February 21, 2019, 09:18:47 AM »
OK, I'll play...


EP...9
Warning..10
RFO..8.8
O:M...10
Empire..8.5







Promised Land...6.1
HITNF...6
Q2K...6
Tribe...6
O:MII...5.9
American Soldier...7
D2C...never heard it

s/t...7.5
CH...7.9
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3539 on: February 21, 2019, 09:19:28 AM »
Operation: Mindcrime - 9.5
Promised Land - 9
Rage For Order - 8.5
The Warning - 8.5
Empire - 8
Hear In The Now Frontier - 7.5
Condition: human - 7.5
Tribe - 7.5
Queensryche - 7.5
American soldier - 7
Q2K - 6.5
Operation: Mindcrime II - 6
Dedicated To Chaos - 5
Frequency unknown - 5

The ones that I graded 7.5 switch around every now and then, though.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3540 on: February 21, 2019, 10:00:07 AM »
EP - 6.5
Warning - 7
Rage - 9
Mindcrime - 9
Empire - 8.5
Promised Land - 10
HITNF - 5
Q2K - 4
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3541 on: February 21, 2019, 11:43:49 AM »
EP-6.5
Warning-7.5
Rage-9.5
Mindcrime-9.5
Empire-9.5
Promised Land-9.5
HITNF-5.5
Q2K-5
Tribe-5.5
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AS-n/a
DTC-n/a
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3542 on: February 21, 2019, 12:41:41 PM »
EP...9
Warning..10
RFO..8.8
O:M...10
Empire..8.5







Promised Land...6.1
HITNF...6
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3543 on: February 21, 2019, 01:01:42 PM »
EP - 5 (I only really like the first track :/)
The Warning - 6
Rage For Order - 8
Operation Mindcrime - 9
Empire - 9

Promised Land - 10

Hear In The Now Frontier - 4
Q2K - 5 (a few amazing tracks keeps it from being lower)
Tribe - 6
Operation Mindcrime II - 10
American Soldier - 7
Dedicated To Chaos - 1

QR12 - 7
Condition Human - 8

This has me ............ intrigued.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3544 on: February 21, 2019, 01:06:10 PM »
EP - 5 (I only really like the first track :/)
The Warning - 6
Rage For Order - 8
Operation Mindcrime - 9
Empire - 9

Promised Land - 10

Hear In The Now Frontier - 4
Q2K - 5 (a few amazing tracks keeps it from being lower)
Tribe - 6
Operation Mindcrime II - 10
American Soldier - 7
Dedicated To Chaos - 1

QR12 - 7
Condition Human - 8

This has me ............ intrigued.

I'm not saying that it's that bad, but the only way this can be looked at as anything other than an intentional joke is if he accidentally typed the extra 1 or 0 in there.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3545 on: February 21, 2019, 01:24:10 PM »
So I will say off the bat that QR basically has the best opening run of albums of any band I can think of:

EP - 9
Warning - 9.5
RFO - 9.75
O:M - 10
Empire - 9
Promised Land - 9.75
HitNF - 5
Q2K - 6
Tribe - 7.5
O:MII - 7
American Soldier - 7.5
D2C - 1
ST - 7.5
CH - 8.5


This is how I'd rate them (except I haven't actually listed to anything between Q2K and the s/t).

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3546 on: February 21, 2019, 01:25:22 PM »
Oh, what the heck.

EP - n/r  - I find it too hard to rate an EP.  Two of the songs are top notch.  One is good.  One is bad.  But there are only 4.  How can this possibly compare to a full album?
The Warning - 6.5  - Not bad.  But they hadn't quite gotten to the point where what they do coincides with my musical tastes.
Rage For Order - 7.5  - Now this is more like it.  A few things that don't work, but this was a really solid, really creative piece of work.
Operation Mindcrime - 8.5  - Trite at times, and goes  few places it probably shouldn't.  But what a landmark concept album.
Empire - 10  - I could not ask for a better album.
Promised Land - 9.5  - The only knock on this album is that I think it meanders just a bit from the heavy side for just a bit too long.  But, man, what a grand creative statement this album was.  On any given day, it could be my favorite over Empire.
Hear In The Now Frontier - 8.5  - I subjectively like this album more than Mindcrime.  But I cannot rank it higher because Mindcrime just had such a profound influence on my musical tastes and direction as a fan, and I know I am not the only one.
Q2K - 5  - A couple of "hits"; But mostly "misses."
Tribe - 6.5  - A few more "hits"; a few less "misses."  But the ones that hit are really good.
Operation Mindcrime II - 7  - Man, really hard to rank.  Up until Dio makes an appearance, it is actually a pretty solid album.  And there are some cool moments after that as well.  But the last quarter or so really takes a nosedive.  "7" is probably a bit generous, but there are some things I really like.
American Soldier - 7/7.5  - The word that best sums up this album for me is "almost."  Tate had some great ideas.  Musically, it mostly executes very well.  But there are a few misses here and there (album sequencing being a big one).  And Geoff's vocal performance is an absolute mess.  This would have been an 8.5 or maybe 9 otherwise.
Dedicated To Chaos - 0  - Granted I only listened once.  But there was NOTHING I wanted to listen to again.  Nothing.
QR12 - 8  - I liked this a lot.  It sounded like where the band could logically have gone after PL or maybe Tribe.  The songs just sounded a bit incomplete in places.
Condition Human - 8.5  - Perhaps the most solid album from start to finish other than Empire.  A few missteps here and there, but I just cannot find much to criticize. 
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3547 on: February 21, 2019, 02:06:29 PM »

A very positive review by RodrigoAltaf:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/album-reviews/queensryche-the-verdict/

Where is the balance? It's a review, and I know all of those are subjective. But the old reporter in me can't help but notice that nothing in that review whatsoever has anything even remotely critical to say of the album. That's not a knock on Rodrigo AT ALL. Clearly, he was passionate about what he heard, and he's relaying his feelings. But when a review leaves out any critical commentary, it always leaves me with a feeling that I can't trust the review.

That said, the record's songs were described well, and thumbs up to Rodrigo for really illustrating that. One correction I'd like to point out though. It has to do with this statement:

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Caught in a lifelong identity crisis, the band’s sound seemed to be pushed and pulled in all directions: main-man Geoff Tate seemingly wanted a more accessible approach, whereas the other members wanted to stick to their roots.


That's not at all accurate. Queensryche was never in any sort of "identity crisis." Their sound morphed, very much on purpose, from record to record, up through Tribe, and particularly through the tenure of the original lineup (EP-HITNF). That was very much a tenet of the band's creative identity - they prided themselves on that sonic evolution from record to record, and yet still maintaining a distinct sound that pulled it together as "Queensryche."

That sort of ended in 2006, when Tate went outside the band to write and record Mindcrime II and the records that followed. But to categorize Queensryche as being in a "lifelong identity crisis," is absolutely untrue.

In addition, regarding the comment about Tate, while I obviously don't speak for him, the statement regarding him wanting "a more accessible approach" is also untrue. The tension between the band and Tate had nothing to do with Tate wanting the music to be accessible. From a creative standpoint, it was more about control, rather than the actual music. For example, one of the most metal and heaviest riffs that made it on a Queensryche record was the one in Murderer. That riff was Michael Wilton's, and Tate loved the riff. But that's all WIlton had -- the riff. And not being a music writer, Tate really had nothing but that riff to go on. It took a third party (in this instance, Jason Slater) taking that riff, and turning it into a song, which Tate then could put lyrics and a melody to.

Without going too off topic, that's sort of why DeGarmo was absolutely so vital to the band. He'd take a lot of those Wilton riffs, and put it into something that really connected to Tate. That's why the three of them were so good together. Nowadays, with La Torre being a musician himself, and capable of playing guitar, he can take a Wilton riff, and add to it, change it, etc. So in that regard, it is easier now for Wilton (without DeGarmo) to really get creative, because he has a singer that can also write music and take his ideas different directions musically.

So, getting back to the statement, the tension wasn't about wanting more accessible music. It was about control, power, and money. That doesn't really flow well in a review, but that's really what it boiled down to.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3549 on: February 21, 2019, 06:10:55 PM »
EP - 8
The Warning - 7
Rage For Order - 10
Operation: Mindcrime - 10
Empire - 7
Promised Land - 9
Hear in the Now Frontier - 6
Q2Krap - 4 (but Right Side of My Mind is a 10)
Tribe - 7
Operation: Mindcrime II - 5

I have not heard American Soldier or Dedicated to Chaos, so I can't rank them.  But I've been wanting to at least listen to AS based on some of the reviews.

Queesnsryche - 6.5 (the songs are much better, but it's too short and the horrible mastering drag it down)
Condition Human - 7.5 

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3550 on: February 22, 2019, 12:24:20 AM »
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3551 on: February 22, 2019, 12:27:44 PM »
I can now say I think this album will be the best since Promised Land. More importantly it sounds like a band comfortable with themselves. Nothing seems forced or intentionally pushing in any direction. Just a collection of good to great songs and Todd did a great job filling in for Scott. Much like with Condition Human, had the band simply pushed out of the gate with this, and rode it hard, we'd be talking about a band truly risen up from the ashes as opposed to a band fighting off (and losing IMO) a nostalgia act moniker.
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« Reply #3552 on: February 22, 2019, 01:06:58 PM »
Condition Human already was the best since Promised Land.  Are you saying this one is better?
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3553 on: February 22, 2019, 02:20:23 PM »
Condition Human already was the best since Promised Land.

Agreed.

Are you saying this one is better?

I'm only 4-5 listens in, but I can say that at this point I enjoy the feel of the album more for sure, and overall I'm confident at worst it'll settle as being as good as Condition Human, but likely better.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3555 on: February 22, 2019, 07:52:12 PM »
Apparently every new Queensryche album is the best one since Promised Land, if each album's marketing press is to be believed. :lol
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« Reply #3556 on: February 24, 2019, 09:37:20 AM »
Apparently every new Queensryche album is the best one since Promised Land, if each album's marketing press is to be believed. :lol

I remember that was said about Mindcrime II, American Soldier, QR 2013, and Condition Human too.  :rollin
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« Reply #3557 on: February 24, 2019, 10:09:02 AM »
Apparently every new Queensryche album is the best one since Promised Land, if each album's marketing press is to be believed. :lol

I remember that was said about Mindcrime II, American Soldier, QR 2013, and Condition Human too.  :rollin

To be absolutely fair....in most people's minds, each one of those albums WAS better than the one that preceded it. (OK...maybe not with OMII, but all the rest)  Which would make the statement technically correct.   
 
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3558 on: February 24, 2019, 02:39:35 PM »
*Setlist spoilers below*

Looks like Todd wasn't kidding when he said they'd play more material from the newer records this time around: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/queensryche/2019/turning-stone-resort-casino-verona-ny-7392b29d.html 13 songs (not counting the intro) seems a bit short, but they're playing 3 songs from The Verdict, 2 from CH and 1 from S/T. I bet they'll add in at least Dark Reverie and I Dream in Infrared once the actual tour gets started.

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« Reply #3559 on: February 24, 2019, 04:52:42 PM »
Controversial opinion: Hear In The Now Frontier was the best Queensryche album since Promised Land :hat
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3560 on: February 24, 2019, 10:42:46 PM »
EP- 9.5
Warning- 9.5
RFO- 9.5
OM- 10
Empire- 9
Promised Land- 9
HINF- 7
Q2K- 6.5
Tribe- 7
OM2- 7.5
AS- 6.5
DTC- 1 (maybe too generous)
QR- 8
CH- 8

I’m confident the new one will get an 8 or 8.5 from what I’ve heard

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3561 on: February 25, 2019, 08:05:46 AM »
*Setlist spoilers below*

Looks like Todd wasn't kidding when he said they'd play more material from the newer records this time around: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/queensryche/2019/turning-stone-resort-casino-verona-ny-7392b29d.html 13 songs (not counting the intro) seems a bit short, but they're playing 3 songs from The Verdict, 2 from CH and 1 from S/T. I bet they'll add in at least Dark Reverie and I Dream in Infrared once the actual tour gets started.

It's great they are doing that. But I agree -- 13 songs...WTF? I'll give em a pass for that show, because casino gigs are usually contracted for a specific time limit. But its nice to see them finally supporting the TLT era material. A couple albums too late, but at least they are doing it.

Controversial opinion: Hear In The Now Frontier was the best Queensryche album since Promised Land :hat

I've come to appreciate what Chris was doing with HITNF a LOT more over 22 years. I always liked my favorites from that record. But even tunes I was lukewarm on (Some People Fly, for instance), I've really embraced in recent years. There's too much filler on HITNF for sure. But there is a lot of guitar candy on the record -- just not in the traditional metal sense. And with a couple of exceptions, the lyrics are great too. HITNF is still the lowest ranked for me in the original QR discography, but I still believe that record, if a few songs shorter, and had EMI not folded and QPrime didn't bail on QR -- that record would have been really big for them.

Sign of the Times and You got a ton of airplay, and then all the marketing and radio push was stopped in its tracks. And back then, you needed all of that. They had The Voice Inside and spOOL lined up as singes, and frankly, I think they could have gone deeper, even going with Reach as a fifth if necessary. But when your label goes belly-up, and they stop haranguing the radio stations to play the singles, the record is going to crash and burn (at least in the mid-late-90s). And that's what happened. But there was a ton of potential there.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3562 on: February 25, 2019, 10:27:53 AM »
*Setlist spoilers below*

Looks like Todd wasn't kidding when he said they'd play more material from the newer records this time around: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/queensryche/2019/turning-stone-resort-casino-verona-ny-7392b29d.html 13 songs (not counting the intro) seems a bit short, but they're playing 3 songs from The Verdict, 2 from CH and 1 from S/T. I bet they'll add in at least Dark Reverie and I Dream in Infrared once the actual tour gets started.

It's great they are doing that. But I agree -- 13 songs...WTF? I'll give em a pass for that show, because casino gigs are usually contracted for a specific time limit. But its nice to see them finally supporting the TLT era material. A couple albums too late, but at least they are doing it.

Controversial opinion: Hear In The Now Frontier was the best Queensryche album since Promised Land :hat

I've come to appreciate what Chris was doing with HITNF a LOT more over 22 years. I always liked my favorites from that record. But even tunes I was lukewarm on (Some People Fly, for instance), I've really embraced in recent years. There's too much filler on HITNF for sure. But there is a lot of guitar candy on the record -- just not in the traditional metal sense. And with a couple of exceptions, the lyrics are great too. HITNF is still the lowest ranked for me in the original QR discography, but I still believe that record, if a few songs shorter, and had EMI not folded and QPrime didn't bail on QR -- that record would have been really big for them.

Sign of the Times and You got a ton of airplay, and then all the marketing and radio push was stopped in its tracks. And back then, you needed all of that. They had The Voice Inside and spOOL lined up as singes, and frankly, I think they could have gone deeper, even going with Reach as a fifth if necessary. But when your label goes belly-up, and they stop haranguing the radio stations to play the singles, the record is going to crash and burn (at least in the mid-late-90s). And that's what happened. But there was a ton of potential there.


I too hope the set gets longer, but I've got renewed interest to go to NYC to see those Todd songs I haven't had a chance to yet.

As for HitNF, yes, it could have been more successful, but that would not have made it any better. It's simply mediocre compared to everything that came before it, and frankly, to most of what came after it.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3564 on: February 25, 2019, 10:44:37 AM »
According to a fan's report, they asked the band about the setlist and they plan to add another 5-ish songs to the set (on par with their standard 18-song set length over the last few years).  They also claim that they will be rotating the setlists....not sure if that means they will have two different sets for headlining shows, or if they will have a set for headlining shows and a set for festivals, where they would feel more inclined to play the usual hits.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3565 on: February 25, 2019, 10:47:16 AM »

I too hope the set gets longer, but I've got renewed interest to go to NYC to see those Todd songs I haven't had a chance to yet.

If I still had any interest in modern QR, I would be too. Great for fans of the current era for sure!

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As for HitNF, yes, it could have been more successful, but that would not have made it any better. It's simply mediocre compared to everything that came before it, and frankly, to most of what came after it.

Totally subjective. I disagree. I think the highlights on HITNF are light years better than most of what came after it. spOOL is still a top tune, and I rank Hit the Black and The Voice Inside pretty highly as well. Again, its all subjective. For the time period, and again, the success they were having with Sign of the Times (which was much more accepted in the mainstream in comparison to the singles for Promised Land), there was a great chance HITNF would have been much more successful (which you state, of course). I actually feel HITNF had the potential to eclipse PL in sales had the support been behind it. And while sales is not indicative of quality of course, there's more than enough on HITNF to support a successful cycle, had it had the chance for it. We'll never know, but HITNF certainly had a lot more to give.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3566 on: February 25, 2019, 02:26:21 PM »
...I think they could have gone deeper, even going with Reach as a fifth if necessary.

I was in my last year of school at Berkeley when the album dropped, and there was a Bay Area radio station that was playing Reach.  I always liked that song a lot.  But it was one that I wish they had fleshed out a bit more.  Wilton's solo was cool, but felt like a little interlude solo that should go between verses.  If they had moved it there and done a longer, more complex bridge and solo section, that song could have been fantastic.

According to a fan's report, they asked the band about the setlist and they plan to add another 5-ish songs to the set (on par with their standard 18-song set length over the last few years).  They also claim that they will be rotating the setlists....not sure if that means they will have two different sets for headlining shows, or if they will have a set for headlining shows and a set for festivals, where they would feel more inclined to play the usual hits.

That's cool.  I like what they are apparently doing, based on that set list and the plan to add more songs.  Condition Human, the song, is my least favorite song on that album and the only one I really feel like skipping.  So it's inclusion evokes two different reactions from me: On one hand, I think it is REALLY cool that they are finally showing a commitment to the new material by pulling out deep tracks like this.  But on the other hand, if them pulling out the worst track from their last two albums combined is the best compliment I can give them, then they really are falling flat on their faces in terms of knowing what fans want.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3567 on: February 25, 2019, 02:41:11 PM »

I was in my last year of school at Berkeley when the album dropped, and there was a Bay Area radio station that was playing Reach.  I always liked that song a lot.  But it was one that I wish they had fleshed out a bit more.  Wilton's solo was cool, but felt like a little interlude solo that should go between verses.  If they had moved it there and done a longer, more complex bridge and solo section, that song could have been fantastic.

If it was 1990 instead of 1997, I think they might have done that. But remember the timeframe, and remember what they were trying to accomplish with HITNF. Less was more back then. It was an experiment in stripping things away. I felt Reach's solo fit that, and was one of the better examples of how to do it right. It repeats the same riffing two or three times, and then goes up a short run down the fretboard. I think Reach's solo though really was all that tune called for, which was the point at the time -- it was just a sign of the times.

One of the things I love about the song is the clean guitar in the verses that just strummed gave it some atmosphere before kicking in right before the chorus with the other guitar. I also think the little solo during the last chorus before the outro was a nice touch as well. Love the song as-is from the get-go.

That said, I wouldn't mind if the band tinkered with that one live, and did as you suggest. Why the hell not, ya know? Times are different, re-work it for the live show, see what happens.

I remember on the Tribe tour (the headline one in fall 2003), Wilton did something similar and came up with a small guitar lead for "The Great Divide" because people were clamoring to add a solo. https://youtu.be/BSg04855L1E?t=104

It was cool, and added a little bit to the mood of the tune.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3568 on: February 25, 2019, 02:48:54 PM »
While we're on the subject of HITNF, the guitar solos on the record are a total highlight. DeGarmo's are absolutely inspired by Alice in Chains, but being a fan, I dig that. As I mentioned up above, I think there's a lot of ear candy, guitar-wise on the record. It's just very different than what people expected after stuff like the EP, Mindcrime, and Empire. But there is a ton of good stuff in there.

A song like Cuckoo's Nest, while not a great song overall to me, has a great solo by DeGarmo that absolutely tries to channel what Jerry Cantrell does (which should not be surprising, considering that DeGarmo and Cantrell are close friends). The guitars overall are extremely nuanced, just not in a classic metal/hard rock sense. That's one of the things I have really grown to appreciate from that record over the years, and has me still coming back to it 22 years later.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3569 on: February 25, 2019, 02:51:26 PM »

I was in my last year of school at Berkeley when the album dropped, and there was a Bay Area radio station that was playing Reach.  I always liked that song a lot.  But it was one that I wish they had fleshed out a bit more.  Wilton's solo was cool, but felt like a little interlude solo that should go between verses.  If they had moved it there and done a longer, more complex bridge and solo section, that song could have been fantastic.

If it was 1990 instead of 1997, I think they might have done that. But remember the timeframe, and remember what they were trying to accomplish with HITNF. Less was more back then.

Oh, sure.  I totally get it.  And I actually like most of what they did on that album, even if it wasn't "typical" Queensryche.  I actually feel like they were successful in what they were trying to accomplish.  But that is one song that I just subjectively feel could have been the one bone they could have thrown to the old school fans who weren't onboard with what they were doing on that album.  It was already one of the more straightforward, Queensryche sounding rockers on the album. 

But it is what it is.  Still a very good song either way.
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