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« Reply #3150 on: September 12, 2018, 05:09:48 PM »
And **IF** the guys had taken the "grassroots" route and built themselves on being an actual band again, I would say that the long term cash in would be in maintaining your integrity and doubling down on Todd.   

But in the post-CH era, they have yet to show that they are willing to do that.

To play devil's advocate though, I see why they haven't. Yes, that was suggested to them (I did, and a bunch of smarter and more influential people than me all told them that). But the issue they had was...money. They had to pay Tate (who they still owe probably a third of what the settlement number is), which required bigger pay days. But as soon as they started gigging, it got even more competitive out on the road, and they saw their guarantees going down from promoters. So not only could they barely afford to sustain themselves, they also had to pay Tate. So I get why they do the casino gigs and the festivals, and the fly-ins. They are usually decent pay days. As opposed to slugging it out on a bus, on the road, for 150 gigs. That doesn't pay, and thats why their headline (now co-headline) dates are very restricted.

So I get it. I honestly do. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Trust me, I completely understand the fan opinion of "NO WAY THEY CAN REUNITE WITH TATE." I get it, honestly. And truth be told, (and this is just my own opinion) I don't think they want to. But they aren't stupid. Contrary to some opinion, yes, promoters WOULD pay more with a reunited four original members than they would for the current QR. Maybe not long term, but for touring on a record (Empire) on a milestone (30th anniversary), that is sure to draw more fans than usual? Absolutely promoters would pay more. And that's why I think it is going to happen (aside from the rest of the things I've said earlier).

And if that reunion of the remaining original four DOES NOT happen, both entities (Tate's band and current QR) will tour on Empire, creating competition again in the marketplace. Why? Because promoters are more interested in nostalgia stuff that they feel will bring in more people. So, for QR, it's a complete no-brainer that you bring back Tate and smooth it all over with Rockenfield. If you do that, QR doesn't need to pay Tate the settlement money he is owed, and they'll make more as a band, together, than they would apart. Throw the integrity and "right thing" out the window, and think only about money. That's what they'll follow. Just my .02.

If promoters were falling over themselves to book Queensrÿche when Tate was there and he was such a cash cow, why did they get rid of him in the first place?  I’d be very surprised if many ticket buying fans are clamouring for Tate’s return. I have no inside information to back that up obviously, just a feeling based on what I see online. Don’t get the impression he is missed at all.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3151 on: September 12, 2018, 05:19:50 PM »
If promoters were falling over themselves to book Queensrÿche when Tate was there and he was such a cash cow, why did they get rid of him in the first place?  I’d be very surprised if many ticket buying fans are clamouring for Tate’s return.

And nothing in the post you quoted even remotely said that, so there is no need to set up a straw man for you to knock down. 

Whether the band ever does reunite with Tate or not, as Samsara said, there would likely be a MUCH higher demand for a Mindcrime and/or Empire-based reunion tour with Tate than there is now with the current iteration of the band having squandered the enthusiasm and goodwill they had built up.
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« Reply #3152 on: September 13, 2018, 02:11:08 AM »
Yes, I exaggerated a little for effect, but the thrust of the quoted post was that promoters would be more interested in booking QR with Tate involved as it’s closer to the original line-up. All I was saying was, if that is the case, why go to all the trouble (and we all saw how much trouble!) of getting shut of him in the first place?

Like I said, whilst it is normally the case with bands that people would rather see original members, I don’t see a clamour amongst fans for a Tate return so I don’t think this is as much of a sure thing as the poster but he seems to have some inside knowledge so he may be right. I’d personally much rather see them stick with the singer they have and do the classic albums with a guy who can sing them. I would never buy a ticket to watch them do classic albums with Tate after seeing the horrible Mindcrime 1 & 2 shows.

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« Reply #3153 on: September 13, 2018, 06:32:55 AM »
Yes, I exaggerated a little for effect, but the thrust of the quoted post was that promoters would be more interested in booking QR with Tate involved as it’s closer to the original line-up. All I was saying was, if that is the case, why go to all the trouble (and we all saw how much trouble!) of getting shut of him in the first place?

Like I said, whilst it is normally the case with bands that people would rather see original members, I don’t see a clamour amongst fans for a Tate return so I don’t think this is as much of a sure thing as the poster but he seems to have some inside knowledge so he may be right. I’d personally much rather see them stick with the singer they have and do the classic albums with a guy who can sing them. I would never buy a ticket to watch them do classic albums with Tate after seeing the horrible Mindcrime 1 & 2 shows.

In 2012, Tate was taking over the band and had a plan in place to leave them high and dry (he attempted to sell the rights to Operation Mindcrime out from under the band and pocket the money for himself).  His family had taken over the band's operations (wife was managing, daughter(s) involved in the fan club, etc.).  He assaults the band in Brazil and is a general ass for the next two contractually obligated gigs.  After so many years of dealing with him, they just said enough is enough.

But they never really capitalized on the momentum that they gained with hiring Todd - they barely played any new material from the albums with him, refused to tour heavily to promote those newer albums, didn't tour with bands that are their peers in the progressive/metal genres, and just played festival gigs with the likes of Jack Russell's Great White or Sebastian Bach, further digging themselves into nostalgia-land.  So six years later, they're reduced to booking shows at theme parks, water parks, state fairs, and suburban neighborhood summer festivals and casinos.

The band has their die-hard fans that have embraced Todd and they also have a ton of casual fans that six years later, still don't really understand that Tate is out (or those that chose Tate's side in the split).  Tate can bank heavily on his past and provide an average to good performance that general fans or his fans will cream themselves over simply because he is Geoff Tate.  Look at Motley Crue - they reformed with Vince and went back to playing arenas and amphitheaters in the late 90's and 2000's now that they had their original lineup back, despite Vince being one of the worst live singers ever.  Same goes for QR - if they can strike a deal with Tate, promoters will offer more money if they go out on tour compared to what they currently earn.  Throw in a gimmick for playing Empire and the "QUEENSRYCHE REUNION!" and promoters might even throw in some extra cash.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3154 on: September 13, 2018, 07:13:20 AM »
^What Grapp said.  But to put it another way...

All I was saying was, if that is the case, why go to all the trouble (and we all saw how much trouble!) of getting shut of him in the first place?

Because at that time, it was the right move.  Tate was stealing from them.  He was running the band into the ground.  And he had become abusive.  Queensryche with Tate was a bust on every level for the rest of the guys.  And the timing with Todd was perfect because there was a genuine buzz about what these guys could do with Todd.

I don’t see a clamour amongst fans for a Tate return so I don’t think this is as much of a sure thing as the poster...

There isn't a "clamour."  That isn't the point.  The point is, times have changed.  As Grap said, they have squandered the momentum and painted themselves into a corner.  Because of that, they are in a very poor position now when it comes to booking.  With Tate, there isn't a ton of buzz either.  But with him, there is more of a buzz among promoters and the "casual" fans who want to hear Mindcrime or the songs from Empire with the original singer.  It is long-term suicide.  But the short-term gains are better than what they have now.  So while a reunion is far less than ideal, it may be the best opportunity for the guys in the band to make decent money at the moment.
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« Reply #3155 on: September 13, 2018, 08:04:03 AM »
But you got to give Tate some credit. He kept touring (still does). He didn't let the buzz die even after sub-par (to say the least) studio album. He is still capitalizing on his name and the "ex-QR singer" tag. And Tate probably knows he needs to keep touring and grinding to earn some money.

To be honest, I initially thought this would have been the other way around, with Tate disappearing into oblivion and Queensryche doing to the heavy grinding.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3156 on: September 13, 2018, 09:20:08 AM »
bosk1 and Grappler explained it all. Personally, I don't care what they do. I only follow what goes on because, like I said, I know the personalities in that whole mess, as I was tangentially involved with it all for awhile. I sit back and read the tea leaves, and post my opinion and predictions based on that. But bosk1 and Grappler explained it all perfectly (as I have myself many times over in the past), so I am not sure where the confusion is.

I hope that fans of this current iteration of QR enjoy what they are getting. I'm no longer a fan of the QR that exists today, but there's no denying that at least musically, they are in much better shape than they were since DeGarmo left in 1997. But as a fly on the wall, it says something when a band just caters to the casino circuit, playing all old songs, when you have essentially a new band with two full albums of new songs. They are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. But the point is, on the TLT material, they didn't even really try. And that was disappointing to say the least.

There is a way to balance the need to cater to a nostalgia audience and still remain relevant with new material. QR just never did seem comfortable finding that balance playing live. It is a shame, because as someone here has said (I forget who it was), they really have some good songs on the last two records.

On a personal note (and bosk, I hope this OK to say), I know there's a certain sect of the posters here (and other places) that don't like the fact that I still opine on this board about what goes on with Queensryche. In fact, some obsess over the fact that I do, clipping what I say, and blatantly libel me on forums and social platforms which is, frankly, laughable, pathetic, and disturbing. But such is the Internet. All I can say is , as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I keep tabs on what QR does because unlike most people, I know the personalities involved and some of the tendencies. I am extremely glad I am no longer connected with them on the same level that I was, but I'm still intrigued about what they do, and always will be. And if that bothers anyone (and it really shouldn't, it's just my opinion based on some knowledge of who the people are), then that's your problem (not you directly PeterMc, just saying in general).

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3157 on: September 13, 2018, 09:48:57 AM »
But you got to give Tate some credit. He kept touring (still does). He didn't let the buzz die even after sub-par (to say the least) studio album. He is still capitalizing on his name and the "ex-QR singer" tag. And Tate probably knows he needs to keep touring and grinding to earn some money.

Yeah, I know what you mean.  He can't possibly be making very much.  But he is apparently making enough to squeak by.  And, more importantly, he is keeping his name out there and alive.  And by grinding it out for such a long time and keeping his name out there for all this time, the mere passage of time has caused memories of past transgressions to fade.  And while I think there were even a lot of people in the music biz that started to distance themselves from him, I think him staying out there and doing things like Avantasia, and having his solo band play at festivals where he could mingle with other bands, have caused that to subside as well.  I have no idea whether Geoff is still the same Geoff that was robbing his bandmates blind and was physically and mentally abusive toward them.  But he is savvy enough to have seen and done what he needed to do to survive as a musician.

But as a fly on the wall, it says something when a band just caters to the casino circuit, playing all old songs, when you have essentially a new band with two full albums of new songs. They are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. But the point is, on the TLT material, they didn't even really try. And that was disappointing to say the least.

There is a way to balance the need to cater to a nostalgia audience and still remain relevant with new material. QR just never did seem comfortable finding that balance playing live. It is a shame, because as someone here has said (I forget who it was), they really have some good songs on the last two records.

Agreed.  And even if they didn't want to go full-on and grind it out in the clubs and small theaters plugging the new material, there were still plenty of ways they could have found a happy medium.  They could have done the fly-in festivals and casino shows.  But in addition to that, simply get on a tour as an opener for a bigger metal act that will get you in front of who should be your fan base, like Maiden, Priest, or somebody.  Or a package tour with another band or two of approximately equal stature where QR is a co-headliner or the final opener.  And with those type of options, BUMP UP THE NUMBER OF TODD-ERA SONGS IN THE SET AND HYPE THEM UP.  The band had solid material that translated well to a live setting and SHOULD go over fairly well with a metal audience.  I mean, you can't help it if some people are only there to hear Mindcrime, Jet City Woman, and Silent Lucidity, and head for the bar or bathroom when something new is played.  That is going to happen no matter what.  But they could have picked up a following by doing this.  And it wouldn't have taken grinding it out night-in and night-out on exhaustice club circuit tours.  A solid package tour or opening slot tour once a year or every other year could have put them MILES ahead of where they are now, and it wouldn't have taken THAT MUCH out of them.  They chose the lives of musicians.  That comes with a toll.  Either pay the price and do what you need to do, or bow out and get day jobs.  But they chose the lazy way out, and I get why they did, but it cost them.

On a personal note (and bosk, I hope this OK to say), I know there's a certain sect of the posters here (and other places) that don't like the fact that I still opine on this board about what goes on with Queensryche. In fact, some obsess over the fact that I do, clipping what I say, and blatantly libel me on forums and social platforms which is, frankly, laughable, pathetic, and disturbing. But such is the Internet. All I can say is , as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I keep tabs on what QR does because unlike most people, I know the personalities involved and some of the tendencies. I am extremely glad I am no longer connected with them on the same level that I was, but I'm still intrigued about what they do, and always will be. And if that bothers anyone (and it really shouldn't, it's just my opinion based on some knowledge of who the people are), then that's your problem (not you directly PeterMc, just saying in general).

Yeah, it's fine.  And without going too far off topic, I will just support that and say that I'll never understand what a pathetic place someone has to be in their life when they arrive at a place where they can justify in their own mind the type of behavior you describe.  Stalking someone on the Internet, or in real life, slandering them, harassing them--you name it--is just pathetic.  But, unfortunately, it has become the norm in this day and age.  I know it has happened to you, it has happened to me, and it has happened to others we both know, simply because people out there aren't mature enough to respect a different point of view and think that an Internet disagreement is somehow tantamount to a capitol crime. 

That said, my apologies to PeterMc, simply because this discussion arose out of your posts.  As Samsara said, this isn't aimed at you. 

Anyhow, rant over.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3158 on: September 13, 2018, 02:35:11 PM »
Yeah, just to be clear, and I appreciate you saying nothing is aimed at me, I certainly have no problem with anything anyone has posted. Just looking to discuss the merits (or not) of bringing back Tate as not sure what’s changed since they kicked him out. I assume all the problems they had back then still apply if they take him back. We can agree to disagree but it’s fun to discuss first right?

Anyway, it’s really interesting to hear some of the inner workings of the band, as unsavoury as they may be, so don’t stop posting.

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« Reply #3159 on: September 13, 2018, 02:58:57 PM »
Yeah, and I'm not sure he really has changed.  But he is smart enough to know that he stands to make more money with them, and so it might be in his best interests to play it straight for at least a tour or two to put some money in everybody's pockets.  And I think they also realize that they stand to make more money with him than without, and could put up with him for a tour or two.  As a fan, I would hate it.  But part of me expects that they will do it.

I guess I could stomach something like that if it is "done right," if there is such a thing.  In other words, they could do their "deal with the devil" if they really feel they must.  But have it spelled out in the legal documents that the agreement is only for a specified tour cycle, and that Tate is not back as a member of the band.  Promote it as something like "Queensryche, with original vocalist, Geoff Tate, presents:  An Evening of Operation: Mindcrime and Empire," or something like that.  Then when it is over, get back to the business of making good music with Todd again.  But I don't see that happening, honestly.  If Tate were indeed to reunite with the band, hypothetically, I think he would try to leverage them to give him back enough control that he would basically be a full member again, either at the outset, or at the end of the tour after he played nice and showed them they could get along.  But time will tell.
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« Reply #3160 on: September 13, 2018, 03:38:53 PM »
This has me thinking (not because I give a crap about the band, but) I know being an artist is some percentage money and some percentage love of the art. I don't know anything about these guys so don't know where they individually fall on that spectrum. But I believe they are all mid/late 50s, which is let's say 10 years from a reasonable retirement age.

Why would guys approaching 60 keep their fledgling band alive? Is it for the love of the art? If so, I would think their output (albums/live shows) would be higher. If it is for the money, are they really pulling down enough income to make it all worthwhile? If your financial circumstances make it so you need to work for another 5-10 years before actually retiring, I would think keeping a band with a small following together by the skin of their teeth (especially with all the drama they are enduring) would not be a very optimal way to do it. Be a greeter at Wal-Mart, or like that guy from the Cosby Show and work at Trader Joe's. No traveling, being away from your family, putting up with promoters, agents, tour buses. Get home at 5p every night, kick your feet up with your wife, and watch NCIS
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« Reply #3161 on: September 13, 2018, 04:12:57 PM »
Does anyone know what the situation is with the existing version of Queensrÿche and Mindcrime. I know it was in the exit agreement that they weren’t allowed to play the album in it’s entirety but how close are they allowed to go? Could they just leave out one track and play the rest or is there some actual guideline on what they can and can’t do?

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« Reply #3162 on: September 13, 2018, 04:20:13 PM »
Hard to know without having seen the agreement.  I do not believe anything more specific was ever said about that.  We do know that they have played some individual songs from it without any problem.  I would think they could play most of it, or even the whole thing out of sequence or something.  But it wouldn't surprise me if they couldn't advertise a tour as being in support of it as an anniversary or something like that.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3163 on: September 15, 2018, 08:26:03 AM »
Does anyone know what the situation is with the existing version of Queensrÿche and Mindcrime. I know it was in the exit agreement that they weren’t allowed to play the album in it’s entirety but how close are they allowed to go? Could they just leave out one track and play the rest or is there some actual guideline on what they can and can’t do?
Michael and Todd were asked about it in an interview with Prog Magazine and I think they said 6 is the maximum number of Mindcrime tracks that they're allowed to play in one show.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3164 on: September 16, 2018, 03:18:17 AM »
Does anyone know what the situation is with the existing version of Queensrÿche and Mindcrime. I know it was in the exit agreement that they weren’t allowed to play the album in it’s entirety but how close are they allowed to go? Could they just leave out one track and play the rest or is there some actual guideline on what they can and can’t do?
Michael and Todd were asked about it in an interview with Prog Magazine and I think they said 6 is the maximum number of Mindcrime tracks that they're allowed to play in one show.

Seems reasonable. Wouldn't it be funny if all Tate required was "no complete Mindcrime performances" without going into details, and the band would play the whole thing skipping Waiting for 22? :lol
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« Reply #3165 on: September 16, 2018, 12:14:50 PM »
That’s what everyone was saying at the time, could they just leave out one of the interludes and then they weren’t playing the whole album. Always thought there must be more of a strict restriction.

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« Reply #3166 on: September 16, 2018, 09:50:46 PM »
They could easily do a 6-song run in the set of the below and a lot of fans would be happy:

Anarchy X
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Operation: Mindcrime
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« Reply #3167 on: September 17, 2018, 09:04:03 AM »

Why would guys approaching 60 keep their fledgling band alive? Is it for the love of the art? If so, I would think their output (albums/live shows) would be higher. If it is for the money, are they really pulling down enough income to make it all worthwhile? If your financial circumstances make it so you need to work for another 5-10 years before actually retiring, I would think keeping a band with a small following together by the skin of their teeth (especially with all the drama they are enduring) would not be a very optimal way to do it. Be a greeter at Wal-Mart, or like that guy from the Cosby Show and work at Trader Joe's. No traveling, being away from your family, putting up with promoters, agents, tour buses. Get home at 5p every night, kick your feet up with your wife, and watch NCIS

This was told to me by friends of theirs they've all known (the original guys) since high school -- it is all they know. Honestly. They've been doing this since they were 17. And they were big stars in their mid-to-late 20s. I think some of the guys enjoy the "art" of making music, but others just consider it a necessity in order to tour (and frankly, it really isn't needed now, since they just play the nostalgia circuit). And yes, they are all distinctly aware of their age and the desire to retire in the next decade or so, but truth be told, not all of them handled their money right. Your examples of being a Wal-Mart greeter or working a regular job...egos come into play. A few of them have/had regular jobs recently. Todd is back to insurance adjusting a bit and doing odd jobs when not playing shows last I heard (mutual friend), Parker worked in motorcycle sales until just recently, and Michael had a gig in an industry as well (not sure about Ed).

But there is an element of pride and of ego that I doubt (totally opinion here) Michael, Ed and Scott want to let go of. They were legitimate rock stars for years, and got a taste of it again when MC II was financially successful 12 years ago. All those guys had lived lifestyles way above what they probably should have. Michael sold his big house once the kids left and downsized (smartly). But Ed and Scott -- probably not in the best shape in that regard. Tate, well, I won't even try to guess where he is at. Chris has done very well, and was the only one to be very smart with his money. Plus, Chris has the luxury of pulling in a nice "regular guy" pay day from his royalties. He's the only one in the band that makes a decent chunk each year on royalties (albeit with the industry the way it is, that is sure to decline). So that helps.

It'll be interesting to see where they go the next several years. Again, being in Queensryche, and more specifically, playing music, is all they've known their entire lives. And while some of them are more capable of others in terms of taking "real" jobs, I'd imagine that's not something any of them want to do if they can avoid it.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3168 on: September 18, 2018, 03:02:10 AM »
Does anyone know what the situation is with the existing version of Queensrÿche and Mindcrime. I know it was in the exit agreement that they weren’t allowed to play the album in it’s entirety but how close are they allowed to go? Could they just leave out one track and play the rest or is there some actual guideline on what they can and can’t do?
Michael and Todd were asked about it in an interview with Prog Magazine and I think they said 6 is the maximum number of Mindcrime tracks that they're allowed to play in one show.

Seems reasonable. Wouldn't it be funny if all Tate required was "no complete Mindcrime performances" without going into details, and the band would play the whole thing skipping Waiting for 22? :lol
I think the most important factor for Tate is that he can use the Mindcrime gimmick in promotion and to pull people into his shows, though of course if QR started playing the whole album minus 1 or 2 interludes, word would get around pretty quickly in this era of social media and setlist.fm.

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« Reply #3169 on: September 18, 2018, 04:06:39 AM »
What they should really do is just play the album with only the interludes  :justjen
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3170 on: September 18, 2018, 10:09:27 AM »
Does anyone know what the situation is with the existing version of Queensrÿche and Mindcrime. I know it was in the exit agreement that they weren’t allowed to play the album in it’s entirety but how close are they allowed to go? Could they just leave out one track and play the rest or is there some actual guideline on what they can and can’t do?
Michael and Todd were asked about it in an interview with Prog Magazine and I think they said 6 is the maximum number of Mindcrime tracks that they're allowed to play in one show.

Seems reasonable. Wouldn't it be funny if all Tate required was "no complete Mindcrime performances" without going into details, and the band would play the whole thing skipping Waiting for 22? :lol
I think the most important factor for Tate is that he can use the Mindcrime gimmick in promotion and to pull people into his shows, though of course if QR started playing the whole album minus 1 or 2 interludes, word would get around pretty quickly in this era of social media and setlist.fm.

If I recall correctly they can only play a maximum number of songs from the album in any given show.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3171 on: September 28, 2018, 11:38:00 AM »
I was listening to Empire this morning, One and Only in particular, and I was wondering wrote the lyrics for that song.  I had always assumed that DeGarmo was the only one besides Tate who wrote lyrics aside from Wilton handling all of Deliverance from The Warning.  Did Wilton have a hand in writing any other lyrics on the DeGarmo/Wilton songs, like Surgical Strike or One and Only?
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3172 on: October 01, 2018, 11:15:27 AM »
I was listening to Empire this morning, One and Only in particular, and I was wondering wrote the lyrics for that song.  I had always assumed that DeGarmo was the only one besides Tate who wrote lyrics aside from Wilton handling all of Deliverance from The Warning.  Did Wilton have a hand in writing any other lyrics on the DeGarmo/Wilton songs, like Surgical Strike or One and Only?

He did! He actually wrote the chorus for "Speak," and obviously that led to the song title. You mentioned Deliverance, and that was one where he did it all. He also wrote those lyrics to One and Only. Not sure if Chris assisted (he probably did a bit) with that, but Wilton wrote the lyrics. Not sure who was the lyricist on Surgical Strike though. My guess has always been that since DeGarmo and Wilton wrote it together, they probably both contributed lyrically.

As for post-DeGarmo stuff, I honestly don't know about Wilton's lyrical contributions at all. My guess is not much.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3173 on: October 02, 2018, 07:43:19 AM »
I was listening to Empire this morning, One and Only in particular, and I was wondering wrote the lyrics for that song. 

From https://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~bigoleg/queensryche/empire/features/k293.html

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Chris admits another track, 'The One And Only', was written with a certain Kimberly DeGarmo in mind. "I wrote it not long after we got married last year, so yeah, I guess you could say that one was for her. I certainly didn't write it for anybody else," he giggles.

There's a bit more about the writing here too (quite an interesting link all round):

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/heldercardoso/queensryche_in_their_own_words/
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« Reply #3174 on: October 02, 2018, 10:02:25 AM »
I was listening to Empire this morning, One and Only in particular, and I was wondering wrote the lyrics for that song. 

From https://www.users.totalise.co.uk/~bigoleg/queensryche/empire/features/k293.html

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Chris admits another track, 'The One And Only', was written with a certain Kimberly DeGarmo in mind. "I wrote it not long after we got married last year, so yeah, I guess you could say that one was for her. I certainly didn't write it for anybody else," he giggles.

There's a bit more about the writing here too (quite an interesting link all round):

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/heldercardoso/queensryche_in_their_own_words/

Thanks on that. Appreciate the correction. I knew the song was either about Kerry Lynn (Michael's wife) or Kimberly. I always assumed it was Michael, because of the year "back in 86..."

p.s. Helder put together a great page there with all the lyrical mentions. Nice find.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #3175 on: October 04, 2018, 11:23:16 AM »
I just made the pledgemusic for the new album, US$ 10 for the download. I did this much more to suport the band, because I know that probably the CD album version on sale on amazon etc (that I'll buy again) will have some aditional bonus tracks, like the last one... :facepalm:
Anyway, I've heard the 1:30 teaser from the new album and it sounds very in the style of Condition Human - which form me it's something excellent! Also, although it's a short clip and I know that it's not Scott playing, whoever recorded the drums sounds totally like him IMO :tup
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« Reply #3176 on: October 04, 2018, 04:11:04 PM »
I just made the pledgemusic for the new album, US$ 10 for the download. I did this much more to suport the band, because I know that probably the CD album version on sale on amazon etc (that I'll buy again) will have some aditional bonus tracks, like the last one... :facepalm:
Anyway, I've heard the 1:30 teaser from the new album and it sounds very in the style of Condition Human - which form me it's something excellent! Also, although it's a short clip and I know that it's not Scott playing, whoever recorded the drums sounds totally like him IMO :tup

There's a teaser?  :omg:  :metal
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« Reply #3177 on: October 04, 2018, 05:08:13 PM »
Yes! Only 1:30, but it is very good! By the way, from Facebook, the mixing is already done.
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« Reply #3178 on: October 04, 2018, 05:35:33 PM »
Where is the teaser available?  Link?
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« Reply #3179 on: October 04, 2018, 05:39:54 PM »
I think the teaser is only available to people who have pledged money for the new album.

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« Reply #3180 on: October 04, 2018, 05:43:22 PM »
Ah, okay.
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« Reply #3181 on: October 04, 2018, 06:42:28 PM »
I think the teaser is only available to people who have pledged money for the new album.
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« Reply #3182 on: October 04, 2018, 07:54:09 PM »
By the way, from Facebook, the mixing is already done.

So... do you think we could expect it January? That'd be pretty awesome.
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« Reply #3183 on: October 05, 2018, 06:49:39 AM »
I don't know, the band didn't commented on that on Face. This could be the case, if there wasn't this Scott situation that we really don't know if it will delay the release or not.
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« Reply #3184 on: October 05, 2018, 07:09:45 AM »
the album is mastered according to TLT