Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album

[The Walrus]

If that bothers you, you're really gonna hate me after I listen to all the albums and probably put Promised Land under a lot of them. 

[Cruithne]

1. Mindcrime
=2. Empire 
=2. Rage For Order
=4. The Warning
=4. Promised Land
=4. Hear In The Now Frontier
=4. Tribe
8. Self Titled
9. Condition Human
10. Mindcrime II
11. Q2k

I don't own American Soldier (heard it via Spotify... boring as all hell) nor Dedicated To Chaos (heard it via, ahem, other means and it's utterly laughable) so I'm not ranking them. I don't regard Frequency Unknown as a QR album.

[Samsara]

If that bothers you, you're really gonna hate me after I listen to all the albums and probably put Promised Land under a lot of them. 

 

No, see, I can understand that with PL. But MINDCRIME?! Freaking Mindcrime? C'mon now. Any Ryche fan worth his or her salt should have that puppy at least in the top 3. 

[bosk1]

It has some good songs.  But to me, it is an overall immature concept that I feel I have grown out of.  So if I go strictly by how many songs I REALLY like, and how much I really like them, that is what my ranking reflects.

But my top 6 are VERY close, and there isn't really a dropoff until after that.  And that is a fairly small dropoff.  The next major dropoff is after #8.

[bill1971]

Top Tier Perfect albums
Mindcrime
 Empire 
Rage For Order
 Promised Land

Very Solid but some weak moments
Tribe
 The Warning
 Hear In The Now Frontier
 Q2k

A few very good tracks but overall not great
Mindcrime II
Frequency Unknown
American Soldier
Dedicated to Choas

Don't consider it QR
Self Titled
Condition Human

[bill1971]

Top Tier Perfect albums
Mindcrime
 Empire 
Rage For Order
 Promised Land

Very Solid but some weak moments
Tribe
 The Warning
 Hear In The Now Frontier
 Q2k

A few very good tracks but overall not great
Mindcrime II
Frequency Unknown
American Soldier
Dedicated to Choas

Don't consider it QR
Self Titled
Condition Human

I want to add

I think I am defiantly biased. I should have said I don't care to listen to them because they are not Geoff, but to be fair about it either all 3 of those albums should count or none of them should.

[bosk1]

What albums are you talking about?

[Grappler]

I want to add

I think I am defiantly biased. I should have said I don't care to listen to them because they are not Geoff, but to be fair about it either all 3 of those albums should count or none of them should.

Wilton/Jackson/Rockenfeld obtained the Queensryche name in the settlement of the lawsuit.  So it's fair to say that the two albums they released with Todd ARE considered Queensryche albums, and Frequency Unknown (of which none of those three members performed on) is not.

[bosk1]

^Pretty much that.  Except that they didn't "obtain" it.  The lawsuit clarified that they had owned it.  They never "lost" and then had to "obtain" it.  It was just a question of whether Tate also had a right to use it. 

[Samsara]

I personally do not consider Frequency Unknown to be a QR album, but if you're going to talk legal...at the time of release, both QR self-titled and Frequency Unknown were released by parties that were allowed legally to perform and work as Queensryche. So technically, all of it is Queensryche.

[bosk1]

Yes.  Strictly speaking, from a purely legal point of view, that is correct.  But I think it is fair to make the argument that Tate had unjustly usurped the name, and the court merely allowed the status quo until it could be sorted out, so it really isn't "Queensryche" from an equitable point of view.  Or, to put it another way, Geoff Tate never really was Queensryche, and didn't have control of the Queensryche entity.  But he had the right to use the name for a limited period of time.  I view it kind of like this:  If I worked at McDonald's, but then I quit and opened up a restaurant serving low-quality meatloaf sandwiches, and I used the official McDonald's name and logo on my place, it wouldn't really be McDonald's, and everyone would know that.  Let's say McDonald's then sues me and says I have no right to use the name.  But trial isn't until March of 2019, and a court says, "This won't ultimately be decided until it goes to trial next year.  In the mean time, while we get it sorted out, Bosk can use the McDonald's name."  I would be allowed to represent myself as McDonald's.  But I'm really not.  And, again, everybody knows that.  People could just say, "well, there are two McDonald's right now."  And, legally, they would be correct.  But it's still not really the same thing.

[bill1971]

Yes.  Strictly speaking, from a purely legal point of view, that is correct.  But I think it is fair to make the argument that Tate had unjustly usurped the name, and the court merely allowed the status quo until it could be sorted out, so it really isn't "Queensryche" from an equitable point of view.  Or, to put it another way, Geoff Tate never really was Queensryche, and didn't have control of the Queensryche entity.  But he had the right to use the name for a limited period of time.  I view it kind of like this:  If I worked at McDonald's, but then I quit and opened up a restaurant serving low-quality some very very tasty meatloaf sandwiches and some that are really terrible, and I used the official McDonald's name and logo on my place, it wouldn't really be McDonald's, and everyone would know that.  Let's say McDonald's then sues me and says I have no right to use the name.  But trial isn't until March of 2019, and a court says, "This won't ultimately be decided until it goes to trial next year.  In the mean time, while we get it sorted out, Bosk can use the McDonald's name."  I would be allowed to represent myself as McDonald's.  But I'm really not.  And, again, everybody knows that.  People could just say, "well, there are two McDonald's right now."  And, legally, they would be correct.  But it's still not really the same thing.

Slight correction needed to be made.

[MadWi]

Love the ryche.  My rankings.

1.  O:M
2. The Warning
3. Rage
4.  EP

5.empire
6.PL


7.  Q2k
8. Tribe
9. condition human
10. Queensryche
11. HITNF
12. O:M II
13. AS
14 DTC

Love 80s QR.  Honestly the remastered EP and Warning (love the version of The Lady Wore Black) albums get the most plays for me.  The LiveCrime movie was what really got me into QR though .  The livecrime cd sounds horrible and is kinda worthless imo.  Being from Madison Wi i always thought it was cool Livecrime was made here. Wonder why QR chose WI to make a LiveCrime instead of Seattle of a larger market?

[Samsara]

Being from Madison Wi i always thought it was cool Livecrime was made here. Wonder why QR chose WI to make a LiveCrime instead of Seattle of a larger market?

I am not sure if I have ever seen them comment on it, but I always assumed it was done in Wisconsin because of timing. They had been on tour, so they were well rehearsed, perhaps the company they used to record it was based in Chicago or up in Wisconsin, so logistical reasons overall. But all that is just me thinking out loud. But that's always what I believed.

[KevShmev]

1. Promised Land
2. Rage for Order
3. Operation: Mindcrime
4. Empire
5. The Warning
6. EP

I only ranked the albums worth ranking.

[jammindude]

Every time I do this its a bit different, but...

1. Rage For Order
2. Operation Mindcrime
3. Promised Land
4. EP
5. Condition Human
6. The Warning
7. Empire
8. Queensryche
9. Tribe

10. Q2K/American Soldier/Hear in the Now Frontier




11. Dedicated to Chaos. 

[IDontNotDoThings]

Every time I do this its a bit different, but...

1. Rage For Order
2. Operation Mindcrime
3. Promised Land
4. EP
5. Condition Human
6. The Warning
7. Empire
8. Queensryche
9. Tribe

10. Q2K/American Soldier/Hear in the Now Frontier




11. Dedicated to Chaos.

Where's Mindcrime 2?

[jammindude]

Every time I do this its a bit different, but...

1. Rage For Order
2. Operation Mindcrime
3. Promised Land
4. EP
5. Condition Human
6. The Warning
7. Empire
8. Queensryche
9. Tribe

10. Q2K/American Soldier/Hear in the Now Frontier/OMC2




11. Dedicated to Chaos.

Where's Mindcrime 2?

FIX'd   

EDIT - That group of albums is so overwhelmingly meh and overall bland, I sometimes can't tell them apart or remember which is which.

EDIT 2 - But to be fair, I could take the best of all those albums and probably make 1 pretty cool album.    Heck, "Right Side Of My Mind" probably should elevate Q2K above the others on the merit of that one amazing track alone.   Hard to believe a top 10 all time QR track came from such a boring album.

[IDontNotDoThings]

I remember downright hating CH when I first heard it (I believe I had it 10th originally) because I thought it was generic radio-rock with no soul or identity. But honestly, the more I listen to it, the higher it seems to climb in my ranking. I think it might even be better than Empire right now, maybe even Mindcrime!   

[Kwyjibo]

I remember downright hating CH when I first heard it (I believe I had it 10th originally) because I thought it was generic radio-rock with no soul or identity. But honestly, the more I listen to it, the higher it seems to climb in my ranking. I think it might even be better than Empire right now, maybe even Mindcrime!   

Now don't get silly. 

But yes, Condition Human is a very good record imo, not surpassing the classics but getting close. All the more shame on them that they don't feature it heaviliy in their live set.

[Polarbear]

Rankings eh..

1. Promised Land
2. Empire
3. Mindcrime
4. Rage for Order
5. First album, whatever it was called..

-La Torre albums are solid, but quite forgettable. Rest are not worth mentioning.

[IDontNotDoThings]

I remember downright hating CH when I first heard it (I believe I had it 10th originally) because I thought it was generic radio-rock with no soul or identity. But honestly, the more I listen to it, the higher it seems to climb in my ranking. I think it might even be better than Empire right now, maybe even Mindcrime!   

Now don't get silly. 

But yes, Condition Human is a very good record imo, not surpassing the classics but getting close. All the more shame on them that they don't feature it heaviliy in their live set.

Yeah, maybe more than Mindcrime is a bit ridiculous, but I'd probably rank it 4th at the moment (below Mindcrime 2 but above Empire). Honestly I'm surprised that they could make something so great so late in their careers, & it makes me even more excited for QR14

[Snow Dog]

Rankings?

O:M
Promised Land
Empire
Rage for Order
Condition Human
The Warning
S/T 2013
S/T
HITNF

Haven’t heard the rest and have no interest in doing so. Those first four are extremely solid, though, and will always be there, possibly in different orders as time goes on.

[Samsara]

  Heck, "Right Side Of My Mind" probably should elevate Q2K above the others on the merit of that one amazing track alone.   Hard to believe a top 10 all time QR track came from such a boring album.

First song written for Q2k, came out of the initial jam session between Wilton and Gray.

Personally, I think the mix and some of the choices to tame down the vocals really hurt Q2k. I enjoyed the demos of Liquid Sky, Sacred Ground, and Breakdown Room (its initial title) a lot more. And when the debuted the latter two and One Life at the Seattle '99 fan club event, they had a lot more energy.

[bosk1]

I just have to say that, while I can still enjoy some of the music, my general response to Queensryche nowadays is mostly indifference.  And the band really needs to recognize that that is the reaction of a significant portion of the fan base, and that that is precisely the reaction they have earned.

[Lethean]

I just have to say that, while I can still enjoy some of the music, my general response to Queensryche nowadays is mostly indifference.  And the band really needs to recognize that that is the reaction of a significant portion of the fan base, and that that is precisely the reaction they have earned.

Sometimes this is me as well - especially between Tribe and when Geoff was kicked out.  I followed the saga when he did get kicked out, and my interest was sparked for a while (though not renewed to what it once was).  I enjoyed the two Todd albums and generally feel like I want them to do well.  If they come to town and it works for me, I'll see them live.  I just think they could have, and should, do things differently.

[The Walrus]

I'm listening to Condition Human now, getting near the end. I've never heard anybody who sounds like Geoff Tate (except for Tate, obviously) and suddenly I hear Todd replicating him almost perfectly. Very bizarre, but cool. This is what should have come out instead of Promised Land. This is good. This is fun.

[Lethean]

It's what should have come out instead of Hear in the Now Frontier.

[Bertielee]

I'm listening to Condition Human now, getting near the end. I've never heard anybody who sounds like Geoff Tate (except for Tate, obviously) and suddenly I hear Todd replicating him almost perfectly. Very bizarre, but cool. This is what should have come out instead of Promised Land. This is good. This is fun.

Speaking of Todd, I would have liked to hear a new Crimson Glory album with him as the singer. Too bad it didn't happen as Garden of Shadows was excellent.

B.Lee

[TAC]

I'm listening to Condition Human now, getting near the end. I've never heard anybody who sounds like Geoff Tate (except for Tate, obviously) and suddenly I hear Todd replicating him almost perfectly.

Honestly, if I awoke from a coma that started in 1995, and had not known of the drama/changes, I would not have known it wasn't Tate singing.

Actually, I think my Rychecoma DID start in 1995. 

[The Walrus]

It's what should have come out instead of Hear in the Now Frontier.

Or Promised Land. 

[Lethean]

It's what should have come out instead of Hear in the Now Frontier.

Or Promised Land. 

No. You may not care for it, but a lot of the fan base does. Whereas a much higher percentage did like HITNF.

[The Walrus]

It's what should have come out instead of Hear in the Now Frontier.

Or Promised Land. 

No. You may not care for it, but a lot of the fan base does. Whereas a much higher percentage did like HITNF.

I recognize that too 

[jammindude]

It's what should have come out instead of Hear in the Now Frontier.

Or Promised Land. 

No. You may not care for it, but a lot of the fan base does. Whereas a much higher percentage did like HITNF.

Are you seriously claiming that more QR fans like HITNF than Promised Land?   That's COMPLETE BS.   Promised Land may have been a tad controversial to many of the bandwagon fans....but to A LOT of people, Promised Land is a top 3 QR album.    NO ONE puts HITNF in the top 3......NO ONE.   

[IDontNotDoThings]

It's what should have come out instead of Hear in the Now Frontier.

Or Promised Land. 

No. You may not care for it, but a lot of the fan base does. Whereas a much higher percentage did like HITNF.

Are you seriously claiming that more QR fans like HITNF than Promised Land?   That's COMPLETE BS.   Promised Land may have been a tad controversial to many of the bandwagon fans....but to A LOT of people, Promised Land is a top 3 QR album.    NO ONE puts HITNF in the top 3......NO ONE.

I think they meant to say "didn't"