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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2450 on: March 30, 2017, 03:19:30 PM »
PoweSlave - Tate wrote about it briefly in the Q2k reissue liner notes. I quoted it here: https://www.anybodylistening.net/epilogue.html

Thanks for the link. I learned some things that I wasn't aware of by reading that page. I wonder if there's any footage available from halftime reunion that is shown in the pictures. I'll probably search for some later this evening.

Yes, it is on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/kevYdcB-9Ks?list=PLKFTteRpIzi1hhDIGBh3l8npMXf9IVYkw

Hard to hear though.

edit -- this audio is better -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZekgDjdcAA8&list=PLKFTteRpIzi1hhDIGBh3l8npMXf9IVYkw&index=43

To this day, seeing that still makes me smile. As does Chris' choice of guitar...like many, I think it was a nice little nod to all the QR fans. I don't believe he has played that particular guitar live since '97. I don't remember him using it on the Cantrell tour, or the Spys4Darwin gig he did. And he did not play it with Alice in Chains at the Tsunami Benefit in 2005.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2451 on: April 05, 2017, 02:59:23 PM »
Cool review of HITNF 20 years later:  https://www.anybodylistening.net/scream.html

The guy who wrote it is kind of a hack, but it's a good read.  :P  But seriously, that album has a lot more going for it than most people give it credit for.  I wish it had come out under different circumstances and maybe could have gotten a bit more love at the time.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2452 on: April 05, 2017, 03:01:56 PM »
I wish it had come out under different circumstances 

Yeah, different songs, stronger performances, etc...
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2453 on: April 05, 2017, 03:10:26 PM »
Cool review of HITNF 20 years later:  https://www.anybodylistening.net/scream.html

The guy who wrote it is kind of a hack, but it's a good read.  :P  But seriously, that album has a lot more going for it than most people give it credit for.  I wish it had come out under different circumstances and maybe could have gotten a bit more love at the time.

Dude is a total hack. Damn good looking though.  :lol

Thanks for checking it out.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2454 on: April 05, 2017, 03:18:28 PM »
Damn good looking though. 

I've heard that.  Can't verify myself though.

Great writeup.  My love for that album is no secret.  Despite its flaws, it has a lot of good going for it.  And I think you hit on the good, while acknowledging why the album wasn't well received.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2455 on: April 05, 2017, 03:22:39 PM »
Count me in for loving that album right away.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2456 on: April 05, 2017, 05:55:46 PM »
I wish it had come out under different circumstances 

Yeah, different songs, stronger performances, etc...

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« Reply #2457 on: April 05, 2017, 07:32:53 PM »
I always enjoyed that album quite a bit.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2458 on: May 02, 2017, 07:23:59 AM »
www.bravewords.com/news/queensryche-to-hit-the-studio-in-september-singer-todd-la-torre-discuesses-solo-album-streams-rough-demo-snippet-video
Good news and interesting the commentary about the next album to have a more faster paced songs. I think that was (a minor) flaw of Condition Human. Let's see... anyway, I love the 2 albums with La Torre.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2459 on: May 02, 2017, 08:34:29 AM »
Hmm...not sure how I feel about this.  I mean, Condition Human was excellent.  But then the band got on the road and did almost nothing to promote or support it.  It's hard to get behind the new material when the band doesn't.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2460 on: May 02, 2017, 11:05:33 AM »
I was hoping for a live album from the CH tour, but it sounds like a live album isn't in the works for awhile.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2461 on: May 02, 2017, 11:27:44 AM »
Unfortunately, it doesn’t surprise me that they didn’t do one.  For one thing, they just lack motivation.  But even beyond that, I believe they are just joining the ever-growing camp of bands that understand that the economics of doing live albums just don’t make sense in the YouTube age.  They don’t sell well enough to justify the time and expense of doing them, except as an occasional P/R move to keep the fans happy.  I only see this trend growing.  Remember—DT didn’t do one this tour cycle either, and that is unusual for them.

Queensryche is in a weird spot right now, honestly. Scott's taking parental leave for months now seems a bit odd under the circumstances (unless there are things we don’t know). Casey Grillo seems to be doing a good job, but the feel is not the same (not his fault, he isn't a clone). They were supposed to begin recording this spring, and that didn't happen.

Then I read the link above (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/queensryche-hopes-to-begin-recording-new-album-in-september-todd-la-torre-solo-debut-to-arrive-next-year/), and what popped out to me was the "100 dates" thing. I mean, that's like an average of 8 and change gigs per month in a calendar year. They properly headline toured for probably four months, say six in 2016, if you include festivals and European swings. Those six months were the bulk of those dates, with fly-ins for a couple of weeks for a few months to get to 100. So you're saying the (lets say 9-month) work load is too much to write songs and no one wants to go into the studio after that?  ??? I get it to a degree -- most of those dudes are older, and real life takes precedence. So there's that. But songwriting can happen anywhere, and there's a lot of down time on tour.

I can’t help but wonder if Queensryche is starting to slowly close things down.  I could be reading too much into things, but signs are there.  I mean, touring is the band's bread and butter.  But their bookings are smaller and there is less demand. They need a bunch of bands in support (except for casino dates or festivals) to book a proper headline tour. It's like that for many bands these days, so Queensryche isn't alone. But, again, they are older, and given their motivation level, I’m just not sure they are into making a living from being hardcore road dogs.  Maybe Parker might.  And perhaps Todd, to a degree.  But the real decision makers in the band don't seem that motivated.

If they do put out a third record with La Torre (and I am sure they will, for 2018), I can’t help but wonder if it will be their last studio album with this lineup. And regardless of how good it may end up being, it won't really make an impact, sales-wise--especially with the lack of promotion that has become the norm with them.  Condition Human didn't, and I think the music on that one is outstanding.  And the other problem they have is that we all know Tate is going to go out with his band and do Mindcrime again next year (30th anniversary) to milk that cow to its last drop. So both bands will be out there again at the same time, each cutting into the other's ability to get better paying bookings.

Mabye the economic pressures of all of that make the first domino fall to create the perfect storm of a reunion of the original lineup for a 2018 anniversary tour of Mindcrime.  Seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened. 

I dunno.  That’s a lot of musings for a Tuesday morning.  And I could be completely off base for a lot of it.  I just don’t know where this band is going.  And, unfortunately, I don’t see them going much farther.  I just don't see anything that indicates to me that they WANT to.
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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2462 on: May 02, 2017, 11:54:07 AM »
Unless something drastically changes with the music business, I, too, could see the next QR album be the last one.  Rockenfield, Wilton and Jackson are currently 53, 55 and 56 years old, respectively.  If they put an album out in 2018 and tour properly, you figure they'd be another 2-3 years older before they'd start writing another album.  Is an almost 60 year old EJ gonna want to be recording an album that (maybe) 15,000 people are gonna buy and then go out and tour mid-sized clubs for another year?

And, to the point of them not really playing anything off the last album live, if it reaches that point where you're not playing the new material, unless you really have something to say, why bother making new music at all?!?  There are plenty of bands that just tour and tour without putting out new music. 

It's sad to say.  But, I think more and more bands a lot of us listen to are coming closer to that crossroads.


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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2463 on: May 02, 2017, 04:07:53 PM »
Do we think a Tate reunion is only a matter of time?  Could be.
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« Reply #2464 on: May 02, 2017, 04:24:00 PM »
Do we think a Tate reunion is only a matter of time?  Could be.
The right things would have to happen for it to occur, IMO.  I think it is possible, and I can see a few possible scenarios where it could play out.  For instance (and this is HIGHLY simplified and full of speculation, obviously):

1.  Tate and Rockenfield make up.  Not much of a stretch.  Yeah, he spat on Scott.  But, really, it didn't go beyond that.  And Scott will go where there is money.  If enticed by, say, one last big Mindcrime anniversary, I could see them burying the hatchet, at least temporarily. 
2.  Well, if Scott's in, Eddie may not be too far behind. 
3.  They reach out to CDG and say, "Hey, I know you've moved on, but promoters are really eager to book us on a farewell Mindcrime anniversary tour, provided it is all original members.  Can you take a sabbatical and go out on one last hurrah?"  Chris sucks it up...
4.  ...and then reaches out to Whip, who is in if Chris is in. 

Boom.  Original lineup.
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« Reply #2465 on: May 02, 2017, 04:32:58 PM »
That's looks good, but first Tate needs to take responsibility for his actions and get his head out of the clouds.  It's all well and good to apologize and such, but he really does need to wake up and take a good hard look at himself.  And the others need to wake up to themselves that they let one guy control 3 others for such a long time and get on a different level with Tate, and that Tate accepts it.

They are all men, not female backstabbing teenagers.  Grow the fuck up and it might work.
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« Reply #2466 on: May 02, 2017, 04:57:22 PM »
Yeah, you know, that all makes sense when it comes to us the fans on the outside.  But as far as the band getting together, if it happened in that order, it might only take a halfhearted apology to get Scott back in.  And then same with Eddie.  He doesn't really have to apologize to Chris, as far as I know.  And if he has those three and promoters beating down the door, Geoff probably wouldn't even have to talk to Whip at all for Whip to be pressured back in for a tour.  And if it was the original lineup, how big a percentage of the fanbase would REALLY stand on principle and not come out and see them one last time?  Not very, I would guess.

I agree that that is how it SHOULD happen, and how it NEEDS to happen for there to be any sort of real closure and moving on.  But if they got together for a swan song and the paycheck that comes with it, the band might not care about principle or closure and might just do it.  Just saying.
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« Reply #2467 on: May 02, 2017, 05:09:56 PM »
Yeah I agree with all of that.  I'm sure 99% of fans would be out to see it.  Really, if the band would somehow find a way to get together on stage again, who are we to argue.  You're right, it's really different from our point of view to them.

Money talks, no doubt about it.  Maybe what looks like halfheartedness from the band at the moment is the realisation that standing up for their rights and doing what they have done, in principle is right, but obviously is sacrificing income.  Catch 22 situation and perhaps the band might be seeing that as time goes on.
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« Reply #2468 on: May 02, 2017, 05:19:32 PM »
If I had to guess, I would say there will be a reunion of the original line up when the band decides to shut things down. The current line up has helped to redeem the band and bring back some lost credibility, but the original band is what will be remembered legacy wise.

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Re: Official Queensryche thread: Kickstart the next album
« Reply #2469 on: May 02, 2017, 05:27:57 PM »
Could be right but my feeling is that they'll stand their ground like the Skid Row guys have with Bach - and they could've raked it in supporting GnR on the recent tour.  It was on offer and they wouldn't do it.

These days I would rather see Toddryche - maybe it's just me (or just out here) but I can't see Tate's name adding hugely to crowd numbers.  DeGarmo would be far more appealing to me.
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« Reply #2470 on: May 02, 2017, 05:36:30 PM »
These days I would rather see Toddryche - maybe it's just me (or just out here) but I can't see Tate's name adding hugely to crowd numbers.  DeGarmo would be far more appealing to me.

Same here.  And when I saw them a few months ago, they put on a pretty solid show.  But just not sure what they have left.
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« Reply #2471 on: May 02, 2017, 05:57:25 PM »

3.  They reach out to CDG and say, "Hey, I know you've moved on, but promoters are really eager to book us on a farewell Mindcrime anniversary tour, provided it is all original members.  Can you take a sabbatical and go out on one last hurrah?"   

Honestly, I can't think of anything more pathetic.
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« Reply #2472 on: May 02, 2017, 06:20:58 PM »
Do we think a Tate reunion is only a matter of time?  Could be.

Please God NO.

Not only is Tate a moron and a dickweed, but he can't sing either.

This would be the one instance where I would rather see a hologram than the real thing....and I would still rather see Todd (or for that matter, anyone) than Tate.

Half the people at the local karaoke bar sing better than that guy the way he his now.
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« Reply #2473 on: May 02, 2017, 06:32:50 PM »

This would be the one instance where I would rather see a hologram than the real thing..

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« Reply #2474 on: May 02, 2017, 07:42:18 PM »
Do we think a Tate reunion is only a matter of time?  Could be.

Please God NO.

Not only is Tate a moron and a dickweed, but he can't sing either.

This would be the one instance where I would rather see a hologram than the real thing....and I would still rather see Todd (or for that matter, anyone) than Tate.

Half the people at the local karaoke bar sing better than that guy the way he his now.
I don't disagree with anything you said about Tate.  Not one bit.  But if, hypothetically, this were to happen (this being an all original lineup farewell tour), I would go just to see CDG onstage with the band.  Just curious--would you?
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« Reply #2475 on: May 02, 2017, 08:55:55 PM »
To make Tate's comeback even more special his retro band (Rock and Vaudeville)  could reform too and be support



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« Reply #2476 on: May 02, 2017, 09:19:44 PM »
In only a casual fan of QR and have been lurking his thread but it's always sad to me seeing a band (what appears to me) coming to an end. I do think an original lineup tour (despite Tate not being great) would be a great way to end things.

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« Reply #2477 on: May 02, 2017, 09:45:45 PM »
Do we think a Tate reunion is only a matter of time?  Could be.

Please God NO.

Not only is Tate a moron and a dickweed, but he can't sing either.

This would be the one instance where I would rather see a hologram than the real thing....and I would still rather see Todd (or for that matter, anyone) than Tate.

Half the people at the local karaoke bar sing better than that guy the way he his now.
I don't disagree with anything you said about Tate.  Not one bit.  But if, hypothetically, this were to happen (this being an all original lineup farewell tour), I would go just to see CDG onstage with the band.  Just curious--would you?

If I had never seen them with Chris.....I would probably go.   But I saw them headline the Mindcrime tour, in their home town, for a New Years Eve show.   It was pretty spectacular.   I'd rather remember that night.
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« Reply #2478 on: May 02, 2017, 10:10:04 PM »
Fair enough.  I can't argue with that.
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« Reply #2479 on: May 02, 2017, 10:22:29 PM »
Is there really that much of a crowd who would hypothetically see a reunited QR doing a Mindcrime farewell tour? Is there still a large enough fanbase so that promoters really were interested in this thing?
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« Reply #2480 on: May 02, 2017, 11:13:37 PM »
Not a huge amount, but probably a bit more than the current line up would bring in.

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« Reply #2481 on: May 03, 2017, 02:27:34 AM »
Okay, and what then? Do they earn enough money with a reunion tour that they can retire?

Because, unless they are extremely lucky, everything else they do after hypothetically ending QR with the hypothetically reunion tour will generate far less income than the Todd fronted QR does now. So I don't know where the motivation to reunite with Tate would be coming from.

The only one who would profit from a reunion is Tate imo.
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« Reply #2482 on: May 03, 2017, 06:02:35 AM »
I post this with no disrespect to anyone that it is important to them to see Degarmo, maybe they missed them back in the day, too young, etc....


But for me, Degarmo coming back to do a one off Mindcrime Reunion tour really would mean nothing. It'd be a cash grab, and well, I think we had this line of conversation at another time regarding GnR, but I just can't get behind it. Besides, the vocals are still going to suck, no?
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« Reply #2483 on: May 03, 2017, 06:25:14 AM »
DeGarmo was a big part of QR back then but I don't relly care if he joined them on a hypothetical reunion. As you said the vocals would still suck.

The only thing that would get me mildly excited was, if CDG would join the current QR for a new record. But then I don't know if he really still has it in him. The last QR with his input I enjoyed was Promised Land and that is now 23 years ago.
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« Reply #2484 on: May 03, 2017, 06:53:10 AM »
There is no perfect scenario for a couple of reasons.

Current lineup doesn't have the draw that they would like, but they obviously have the chemistry and compatibility to continue together.

If you add in Chris DeGarmo you obviously excite a lot of people, myself included, HOWEVER I can't support that move if it means Parker gets the boot. That guy has been friendly, dedicated to the job, and a great fit. I understand business wise DeGarmo for Parker is a no brainer, but for Parker's sake I don't want to see it happen.

With Tate you're getting back someone who can't sing as well anymore and who may very well suck all the fun and chemistry out of the band at this point.

So basically I just want to see the current band continue and do as well as they can.
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