The Ministry Of Lost Souls Instrumental Section...

[Zook]

... Is a flashback to the rescue and drowning of the main characters. There, it's not random, pointless and unnecessary anymore. It has a purpose! YAY!

[Jirpo]

Its a great instrumental section, one of my favourite from DT.

[Liberation]

It's never been pointless... it's quite dramatic and makes perfect sense.

[tamaha]

It still sounds completely out of place to me.

[RuRoRul]

Its a great instrumental section, one of my favourite from DT.

It's never been pointless... it's quite dramatic and makes perfect sense.

[Liberation]

Well, I mean, how is it any more out of place than Metropolis maybe? It also has a pretty dynamic/technical instrumental section. I don't see any reason why one would fit the song while other being "out of place"...

[orcus116]

Because the tempo and tone don't match the beginning part of the song at all. I'll give them credit for trying with the transition but it's pretty clear at that part they were trying to weld two pieces together that kinda sorta matched at best.

[BlobVanDam]

Because the tempo and tone don't match the beginning part of the song at all. I'll give them credit for trying with the transition but it's pretty clear at that part they were trying to weld two pieces together that kinda sorta matched at best.

Well, I mean, how is it any more out of place than Metropolis maybe? It also has a pretty dynamic/technical instrumental section. I don't see any reason why one would fit the song while other being "out of place"...

This. The transition in Metropolis at 4:16 is no better/worse.

That said, I don't think the instrumental section in TMOLS is one of their better ones, but the transitions are no worse than some of their most highly regarded songs. And it has a killer guitar solo.

[BlackInk]

The whole thing is pretty natural to me, the only thing I feel they should have done different is to shorten down the outro solo part. It's far to long.

[The Silent Cody]

It has a great dramatic start, great badass solo, I like this very much, one of the best moments from Systematic Chaos for me easily.

[Liberation]

Because the tempo and tone don't match the beginning part of the song at all. I'll give them credit for trying with the transition but it's pretty clear at that part they were trying to weld two pieces together that kinda sorta matched at best.

That's the point I think... overall it's a quite romantic song, but this is the part when someone is drowning and everything changes. I think it's quite logical... while smooth transitions are generally easier to swallow, sometimes it's more interesting when you shake things up a bit.

[Dynia]

I love the instrumental section, I've never considered it pointless and always enjoyed it. One of my favourites.

[Slain]

Love the instrumental section more than the rest of the song, actually. But overall, it's one of the better songs on Systematic Chaos.

[?]

It still sounds completely out of place to me.

This. It's ok, but doesn't do the song justice; it just ruins the melancholic atmosphere. If the instrumental section was removed and the outro was a tad shorter, this could be a very good song actually.

[Nefyn]

Without it TMOLS would be in my top 15 or even 10. With it it doesn't get to the top 50.

Edit : Saying that I think I would enjoy the instrumental in another song, I really enjoy the guitar solo in the instrumental section. One of JP's best.

[Dublagent66]

Whether it means anything or not, it still sounds awesome.  Oh yeah, and it's not out of place either.

[Jamesman42]

With or without it, it's a bottom 10 DT song for me.

[Ħ]

I've never hated the section itself, but I think it makes the song a lot longer than it needs to be.

[FsF]

I don't really mind the more mellow sections of the song, and love the outro, but the instrumental section just sounds totally jarring to me. The fact it sounds like 'cookie-cutter' DT doesn't really help. It's almost as if they (I say they...) thought:
 
"We need more balls on this nice moody song. John give me a nice meaty riff, lets play that about 100 times. Hmm...sounds a bit boring, what do our fans love... I KNOW, duelling solos followed by a unison. Them folks can't get enough of that. Jordan, give me the epitome of your wanky solos, and make sure you throw a few screaming benders in there. Now John, crank out a solo of your own for us. Got it? Good, i'll write it down and post it through the door in Myung's room."

(the above is purely specualtion, and may or may not have actually happened...)

[Zukuduku]

I really like the instrumental section of TMOLS. It has very similar feel to Endless Sacrifice and Sacrificed Sons, but instead of building up tension and exploding in the final verse, it suddenly stops and a piano / vocals section starts. So in a way, I also understand that some might feel that it is out of place. But as it has been said, Metropolis Pt. 1 also has a similar crazy instrumental followed by a more mellow verse.

Both of the solos plus the unison are wonderful, by the way.

[Mladen]

It's never been pointless... it's quite dramatic and makes perfect sense.

[TAC]

I've never hated the section itself, but I think it makes the song a lot longer than it needs to be.

What makes the song too long is the outro.

The instrumental section is great and I love how it leads into the mellow part where James is singing. Adds so much emotion to that section.

[Mladen]

What makes the song too long is the outro.

It's their best outro, man.

[Ħ]

What makes the song too long is the outro.

It's their best outro, man.

It's really not.

[Jamesman42]

It's their worst outro. It's boring to listen to.

[BlackInk]

More things need threads like this, one thinks everyone but yourself hates something and then it turns out there's a quite a lot of poeple really likes it.

It's their worst outro. It's boring to listen to.

Not the worst ever, but it is indeed boring in the long run.

[BlobVanDam]

The outro is too long, but it's still an amazing outro.

[TAC]

What makes the song too long is the outro.

It's their best outro, man.

I just think it's goes on for too many bars. It is a nice section, but I just think it could've been wrapped up a little sooner.
Don't get me wrong, I love TMOLS.
I have the same complaint about A Nightmare To Remember.

[BlackInk]

I have the same complaint about A Nightmare To Remember.

I have a lot of complaints about A Nightmare to Remember.

[hefdaddy42]

I think the transitions into and out of the instrumental section work really well.

[Edergilmour]

Never liked this song and probably never will. There's a few beautiful melodies but it doesn't work well for me. Every time I listen to the instrumental section I tend to like some parts of it but overall it seems a little uninspired and even forced/out of place. Specially the unison.

[Zook]

Wow, a lot of people actually like the instrumental section. Cool, cool.

The way I see it is you have this guy telling this girl to remember him, pleading to her that he saved her life and to remember him, but she can't. But then later something clicks.

I gave you life
I gave you life!

*build up*

*Click*

*EPIC FUCKING FLASHBACK*

Then back to reality
oh there goes gravity

"Oh shit, you really did give me life"

This song isn't a favorite of mine. I only listen to it when listening to the album, but I thought this was a cool theory on why there is an instrumental section besides it being just cookie cutter DT. Of course, those that hate it probably will never come around, but maybe for some I opened up a different perspective, 'cause when you think about it, the instrumental section works really well within the story.

[Jaffa]

Then back to reality
oh there goes gravity

Oh, there goes Rabbit?

Anyway, I think the TMOLS instrumental is quite nice to listen to, really.  I just think it does drag on a bit longer than it needs to.

[Mladen]

What makes the song too long is the outro.

It's their best outro, man.

I just think it's goes on for too many bars.

Wow. I feel quite the opposite. To me, with each key change the melody gets even more emotional. The moment it changes for the second time gives me chills and almost brings me to tears every time I hear it.

[orcus116]

Because the tempo and tone don't match the beginning part of the song at all. I'll give them credit for trying with the transition but it's pretty clear at that part they were trying to weld two pieces together that kinda sorta matched at best.

That's the point I think... overall it's a quite romantic song, but this is the part when someone is drowning and everything changes. I think it's quite logical... while smooth transitions are generally easier to swallow, sometimes it's more interesting when you shake things up a bit.

I've always seen people justify wonky musical sections on the recent albums as the music corresponding with the lyrics or story in a song but I honestly don't think the band implements those things well enough for that to actually be the case. I mean I guess if you really want that transition to represent someone drowning it could be but whenever I've heard the song I've never gotten that out of it.