Author Topic: The Winery Dogs thread - Portnoy, Sheehan and Kotzen (Read 113327 times)

Sir GuitarCozmo · « **Reply #420 on:** August 12, 2013, 06:35:53 AM »

I've heard of Richie Kotzen since around 1990. Just seems very odd to me that he's seemingly so unknown.

ZirconBlue · « **Reply #421 on:** August 12, 2013, 06:51:17 AM »

Quote from: Zydar on August 11, 2013, 07:19:44 AM

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/mike_portnoy_calls_the_winery_dogs_his_new_home.html

"The Winery Dogs have really been hitting it off in recent months, so it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that drummer Mike Portnoy now considers the supergroup rock trio as his new home. During a recent chat on "Eddie Trunk Live" radio show, Portnoy underlined that the Winery Dogs are not a side project like the other bands he's involved with, but his primary group."

How is this news? Way back, when MP clarified which of his bands were "real bands" vs which were "side projects" he listed AMob, and the band that would eventually evolve into The Winery Dogs as his 2 "real bands". Now that he is no longer in AMob, that leaves just one "real band".

mikeyd23 · « **Reply #422 on:** August 12, 2013, 10:38:20 AM »

Just picked this record up over the weekend. Overall, its pretty good! I've always been a fan of blues-based rock, so I enjoyed this album, I have only listened to the whole thing about 2 times and I can tell it's a pretty solid effort.

It does get stale in the middle for me, I think it starts off strong and finishes strong, but the middle of the album hasn't stuck with me. I really like Richie ( I had never heard of him either before this project) on this record. His guitar work is pretty cool and his voice is obviously great. I will say that his voice sounds great on certain tracks and not so great on others though. Billy sounds killer as always and Mike sounds pretty good too. Mike plays well on this, nothing to impressive, and he continues to play A LOT of the same fills he has been using for years now, but overall he sounds good as well.

A few tracks that stick out as immediate favorites are: Elevate, Regret, The Dying, and Time Machine. Like I said I have only listened through the album twice so, those are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head.

ytserush · « **Reply #423 on:** August 13, 2013, 02:47:02 PM »

Quote from: Cruithne on August 12, 2013, 03:22:06 AM

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I don't mean to slam the guy but he's definitely the anomaly in the band when you have two masters of their instrument.

You could argue he's not quite as good a guitarist as Sheehan is a bassist and Portnoy is a drummer. You could argue he's not quite as good a singer as Sheehan is a bassist and Portnoy is a drummer. But he's no slouch at either and he's filling both roles.

In terms of songwriting I don't think the other two have anything to particularly write home about as individuals.

Kotzen fits in quite nicely IMO.

Exactly.

He fills a need and gets the job done.

7StringedBeast · « **Reply #424 on:** August 15, 2013, 01:39:33 PM »

Just got this album and I think it is great. It has a great sound to it and vibe. Great musicianship and lead vocals, catchy, rocking.. it pretty much has everything a good rock album needs.

I hope they keep going with this band.

RodrigoAltaf · « **Reply #425 on:** August 20, 2013, 08:24:22 AM »

Found this footage this week of them playing in São Paulo last month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXsXFeQOQ-Y

I like the live version of Criminal even more than the studio one! MP seems really happy in the new band, and I hope it keeps going.

antigoon · « **Reply #426 on:** August 20, 2013, 12:07:56 PM »

one of the comments on that video

Kotowboy · « **Reply #427 on:** August 20, 2013, 12:12:37 PM »

WHAT SOUND

WHAT RHYTHM

WHAT GREAT !!!

Lowdz · « **Reply #428 on:** August 20, 2013, 12:17:13 PM »

Quote from: ytserush on August 13, 2013, 02:47:02 PM

Quote from: Cruithne on August 12, 2013, 03:22:06 AM
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I don't mean to slam the guy but he's definitely the anomaly in the band when you have two masters of their instrument.

You could argue he's not quite as good a guitarist as Sheehan is a bassist and Portnoy is a drummer. You could argue he's not quite as good a singer as Sheehan is a bassist and Portnoy is a drummer. But he's no slouch at either and he's filling both roles.

In terms of songwriting I don't think the other two have anything to particularly write home about as individuals.

Kotzen fits in quite nicely IMO.

Exactly.

He fills a need and gets the job done.

I wish I was as shit on guitar as Kotzen.

RodrigoAltaf · « **Reply #429 on:** August 20, 2013, 12:22:39 PM »

Quote from: Kotowboy on August 20, 2013, 12:12:37 PM

WHAT SOUND

WHAT RHYTHM

WHAT GREAT !!!

So energy...power!!!

Kotowboy · « **Reply #430 on:** August 20, 2013, 02:20:15 PM »

Didn't feel like this warranted it's own thread - but Derek Sherinian has joined Joe Bonamassa's solo band.

JayOctavarium · « **Reply #431 on:** August 20, 2013, 02:24:36 PM »

But what does that have to do with The Winery Dawgz?

Kotowboy · « **Reply #432 on:** August 20, 2013, 02:25:20 PM »

He was part of the MP, DS, BS, WHoever the fuq else project

JayOctavarium · « **Reply #433 on:** August 20, 2013, 02:26:15 PM »

but... Portnoy Sherinian MacAlpine Sheehan has their own thread

Kotowboy · « **Reply #434 on:** August 20, 2013, 03:40:48 PM »

JayOctavarium · « **Reply #435 on:** August 20, 2013, 04:48:28 PM »

There's also a Black Country Communion thread...

OMG

a BCC / WD tour would be amazing

Kotowboy · « **Reply #436 on:** August 20, 2013, 04:52:45 PM »

Winery Dogs should tour with Audioslave.

They both sound the same.

Mindflux · « **Reply #437 on:** August 20, 2013, 06:20:56 PM »

Quote from: JayOctavarium on August 20, 2013, 04:48:28 PM

a BCC / WD tour would be amazing

It's BCC on an indefinite hiatus thanks to some Glen Hughes/Joe Bonamasa drama?

Mindflux · « **Reply #438 on:** August 20, 2013, 06:42:58 PM »

Quote from: Kotowboy on August 20, 2013, 04:52:45 PM

Winery Dogs should tour with Audioslave.

They both sound the same.

hur hur hur

pogoowner · « **Reply #439 on:** August 20, 2013, 07:10:51 PM »

Quote from: Kotowboy on August 20, 2013, 04:52:45 PM

Winery Dogs should tour with Audioslave.

They both sound the same.

Aside from the idea that Kotzen's voice is similar to Chris Cornell's, they don't sound remotely like each other. Are you really going to say that Kotzen and Tom Morello's guitar playing are at all similar? Not to even mention how Billy Sheehan compares to Tim Commerford.

RodrigoAltaf · « **Reply #440 on:** September 01, 2013, 06:49:29 PM »

I´m not sure how this went down exactly, but Rolling Stone Brazil had an article about Portnoy arguing with the guy who was responsible for the lighs at the Winery Dogs show in São Paulo. I went to the Rio show so I didn´t see any of that.

cfmoran13 · « **Reply #441 on:** September 16, 2013, 03:04:44 PM »

I know this is a shot in the dark but is there anyone here who was at last month's show at the Newton Theater in Newton NJ who might have an extra ticket stub? I have virtually every stub to every one of the 200+ concerts I've been to and I can't find my ticket from that show. I'd gladly throw someone a few bucks on PayPal for your efforts. It was such a good show! Please PM me if you can help me out.

ReaperKK · « **Reply #442 on:** September 16, 2013, 05:53:42 PM »

Does the Winery Dogs have a forum? If they do that also may be a good place to ask.

TheGreatPretender · « **Reply #443 on:** September 16, 2013, 06:23:34 PM »

Not really here to rant about the Winery Dogs, but honestly, after so many great praises, I decided to pick up the album, and I found it to be so incredibly uninteresting, it was fairly disappointing. I will give it a few more listens and hope that it grows on me, but as far as first impressions go, I liked A-Mob's Omerta better.

r0cken · « **Reply #444 on:** October 03, 2013, 12:37:56 PM »

New video...
Damn, I love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qhxvnMDf2E

JayOctavarium · « **Reply #445 on:** October 03, 2013, 01:03:00 PM »

So yea I was gonna go see them in Agoura Hills tonight... but $50 a ticket after fees is really too steep for me.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #446 on:** October 04, 2013, 05:58:28 PM »

Quote from: r0cken on October 03, 2013, 12:37:56 PM

New video...
Damn, I love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qhxvnMDf2E

Pretty Cool.

Phoenix87x · « **Reply #447 on:** October 04, 2013, 06:54:05 PM »

My mind is blown that Kotzen can do what he does, without even using a pick.

duncan3dc · « **Reply #448 on:** October 05, 2013, 06:39:41 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix87x on October 04, 2013, 06:54:05 PM

My mind is blown that Kotzen can do what he does, without even using a pick.

Agreed, but I'm pretty sure the solo during the fast section is recorded with a pick, if you listen to the live versions the solo doesn't sound like on the record

Tick · « **Reply #449 on:** October 05, 2013, 10:43:45 AM »

Now that some time has passed I revisited the album Yesterday. It's good, 7 out of 10. Its not an album that will stand the test of time though for me. I hope the second album is better.

I find it funny that Mike has proclaimed this is feature project, and not just one of his many side projects. He is riding high that they sold out a bunch of small venues. He even mentioned no band he has ever been in has ever had such a string of sold out shows. Is that a slight to DT? When you sell out the size venues DT plays then the statement has some validity.

RodrigoAltaf · « **Reply #450 on:** October 06, 2013, 04:52:02 AM »

Quote from: Tick on October 05, 2013, 10:43:45 AM

Now that some time has passed I revisited the album Yesterday. It's good, 7 out of 10. Its not an album that will stand the test of time though for me. I hope the second album is better.

I find it funny that Mike has proclaimed this is feature project, and not just one of his many side projects. He is riding high that they sold out a bunch of small venues. He even mentioned no band he has ever been in has ever had such a string of sold out shows. Is that a slight to DT? When you sell out the size venues DT plays then the statement has some validity.

I think the record accomplishes exactly what they wanted in the first place: a straight out rock record with tinges of 70´s bands like Grand Funk Railroad, Zeppelin etc. I still listen to it, much more often than ADTOE for example.

However, just like all other projects MP has been involved in, it needs some following up. I´m probably one of the very few people in the planet who liked Adrenaline Mob, but was expecting them to improve on their second album. Flying Colours is great, but they need more studio albums and more time on the road to solidify their reputation, and we all know this isn´t gonna happen because of the member´s other projects/main bands. PSMS was just a bunch of guys covering their past bands and projects, and as far as I know, they don´t have plans to make this into a band and record an album.

The Winery Dogs´ first album is an 8.5/10 for me, and I hope they give this band the necessary time to grow. Like you said, selling out 500-seat venues is not something to brag about, by any means - it´s just MP`s way of saying how happy he is with the new project. They need to spend more time on the road, make another album, play in a festival to reach broader audiences etc. I hope that at least one of MP´s projects develops into his main band soon. I like all his output since he left DT, but the man needs a home and a steady band.

Kotowboy · « **Reply #451 on:** October 06, 2013, 05:31:50 AM »

he should do a tour of 100 people venues and say " My tour is completely sold out : ) MP "

Well yeah

Tick · « **Reply #452 on:** October 06, 2013, 08:02:15 AM »

Quote from: RodrigoAltaf on October 06, 2013, 04:52:02 AM

Quote from: Tick on October 05, 2013, 10:43:45 AM
Now that some time has passed I revisited the album Yesterday. It's good, 7 out of 10. Its not an album that will stand the test of time though for me. I hope the second album is better.

I find it funny that Mike has proclaimed this is feature project, and not just one of his many side projects. He is riding high that they sold out a bunch of small venues. He even mentioned no band he has ever been in has ever had such a string of sold out shows. Is that a slight to DT? When you sell out the size venues DT plays then the statement has some validity.

I think the record accomplishes exactly what they wanted in the first place: a straight out rock record with tinges of 70´s bands like Grand Funk Railroad, Zeppelin etc. I still listen to it, much more often than ADTOE for example.

However, just like all other projects MP has been involved in, it needs some following up. I´m probably one of the very few people in the planet who liked Adrenaline Mob, but was expecting them to improve on their second album. Flying Colours is great, but they need more studio albums and more time on the road to solidify their reputation, and we all know this isn´t gonna happen because of the member´s other projects/main bands. PSMS was just a bunch of guys covering their past bands and projects, and as far as I know, they don´t have plans to make this into a band and record an album.

The Winery Dogs´ first album is an 8.5/10 for me, and I hope they give this band the necessary time to grow. Like you said, selling out 500-seat venues is not something to brag about, by any means - it´s just MP`s way of saying how happy he is with the new project. They need to spend more time on the road, make another album, play in a festival to reach broader audiences etc. I hope that at least one of MP´s projects develops into his main band soon. I like all his output since he left DT, but the man needs a home and a steady band.

8.5 is too generous. Its a sound album but it sounds rushed at times. His drum part towards the end of Time Machine is totally out of place and doesn't work in that song. Stuff like that is what I think was rushed and not well thought out. I feel the same way about Flying Colors in certain songs.

lonestar · « **Reply #453 on:** October 08, 2013, 12:04:48 PM »

Just noticed today that they're playing tomorrow night in SF. Gotta figure out a way to get to this show.

TAC · « **Reply #454 on:** October 08, 2013, 03:39:50 PM »

Quote from: TheGreatPretender on September 16, 2013, 06:23:34 PM

Not really here to rant about the Winery Dogs, but honestly, after so many great praises, I decided to pick up the album, and I found it to be so incredibly uninteresting, it was fairly disappointing. I will give it a few more listens and hope that it grows on me, but as far as first impressions go, I liked A-Mob's Omerta better.

Omertà is 10 times better! IMHO.

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Author Topic: The Winery Dogs thread - Portnoy, Sheehan and Kotzen (Read 113327 times)