The Winery Dogs thread - Portnoy, Sheehan and Kotzen

[YtseCullen]

I still really liked it! Something simple, yet rocking. It's a nice change!

[wolfking]

New video online. Great song. looking forward to this. MP's best post DT project so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_SdasimlLQ&feature=youtu.be

Very cool.  Looking forward to this.

[Perpetual Change]

Good stuff!

[Lolzeez]

It's alright. Nothing too special.

[ReaperKK]

New video online. Great song. looking forward to this. MP's best post DT project so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_SdasimlLQ&feature=youtu.be

Very cool.  Looking forward to this.

Best project MP has been involved in aside from OSI.

[rumborak]

This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?

[Lowdz]

This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?

Is it just cos there's only guitars, bass, drums and vocals? Not much to get in the way.

[Perpetual Change]

This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?

Yeah, definitely.

Oddly, I think power trios are one of the few arrangements where compression actually helps. Kinda fills up all the empty space you normally get with just three players.

[Madman Shepherd]

ok, I gotta admit I do dig that second song.  This is the first thing MP has done since DT that I have liked. 

Not sure if I like it enough to buy it though. 

[rumborak]

This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?

Yeah, definitely.

Oddly, I think power trios are one of the few arrangements where compression actually helps. Kinda fills up all the empty space you normally get with just three players.

In general I agree,  compression can fill the space successfully. But it has to be done lightly, because you don't want to lose the dynamic that makes power trio so awesome.

[Jaq]

Maybe it's my hearing being bad from working in construction AND playing a lot of loud music for the better part of my life, maybe it's because I've never really invested in an audiophile worthy sound system-right now I play my CDs on a 30 dollar CD player I got at Target-but I never hear all the compression and whatnot people go on about. Is it just me? 

[BlobVanDam]

This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?

It is pretty loud, and overcompresses a bit too much on the drum kick for my liking, but I don't think it's too loud for a rock album. I'll judge it properly once we get the proper album though, rather than Youtube.

[Scorpion]

Maybe it's my hearing being bad from working in construction AND playing a lot of loud music for the better part of my life, maybe it's because I've never really invested in an audiophile worthy sound system-right now I play my CDs on a 30 dollar CD player I got at Target-but I never hear all the compression and whatnot people go on about. Is it just me? 

Nah, I'm with you there. The majority of all albums that I listen to sound perfectly fine to my ears.

[r0cken]

Warmed up to it on the third listen.

[Sir GuitarCozmo]

Excellent.  Loving the new song already.

[bobs23]

This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?

It is pretty loud, and overcompresses a bit too much on the drum kick for my liking, but I don't think it's too loud for a rock album. I'll judge it properly once we get the proper album though, rather than Youtube.

The real album does not sound that way. As a matter of fact there is not a whole lot of mastering compression at all. I know we are not allowed to discuss, so trust me on this one.

[BlobVanDam]

This might be a function of Youtube or my laptop speakers, but is this song really loud to anyone else? I.e. compressed?

It is pretty loud, and overcompresses a bit too much on the drum kick for my liking, but I don't think it's too loud for a rock album. I'll judge it properly once we get the proper album though, rather than Youtube.

The real album does not sound that way. As a matter of fact there is not a whole lot of mastering compression at all. I know we are not allowed to discuss, so trust me on this one.

I'm happy to take your word on that! Youtube isn't exactly known for its sound quality.
As I said, I'll judge it once I get the album, and I'll definitely be getting this one. And I'm happy with how it sounds even in that clip, and that's worst case scenario.

[jonnybaxy]

Yet again poor verse, good chorus, not sure what to think of these yet

[rumborak]

Youtube comment of the "Elevate" video:

amy reed 5 days ago
does richie like older fat women because if he does...IM ALL HIS

[kirksnosehair]

The first song was pretty cool, this one is kinda "meh"


The bass solo was interesting, though 

[black_biff_stadler]

Youtube comment of the "Elevate" video:

amy reed 5 days ago
does richie like older fat women because if he does...IM ALL HIS

Fantastic

[El Barto]

Sounds like Audioslave. That's not a bade thing, though. Hell, I'd even pay to see this band, and I couldn't be troubled to see AM any of the three times they've played Dallas.

[Perpetual Change]

Sounds like Audioslave. That's not a bade thing, though. Hell, I'd even pay to see this band, and I couldn't be troubled to see AM any of the three times they've played Dallas.

Yeah, I always felt like Audioslave could have been so much more.

[Mebert78]

Holy crap.  Just listening to the two new tunes for the first time.  This is good shit.  This band could get quite a following.

[philmcson]

AS far as I know, they released their album in Japan today. Still no link to download it anywhere 

[kirksnosehair]

You just can't depend on the Japanese to steal anything these days

[black_biff_stadler]

I think you're letting your piracy bias cloud your ability to read posts since he very likely could've been referring to downloading mp3s on a pay site.

[kirksnosehair]

Piracy bias? 

[Jaq]

I'll freely admit, until this gets a US release, my main options would be either downloading it or hoping it hits Spotify, since import prices from Japan tend to be pretty dear.

If anyone can provide a link to something that proves me wrong, though, I'd gladly buy it. 

[YtseCullen]

I read it will be out worldwide in July according to the Winery Dogs Twitter account

[Jaq]

Then I can wait. 

[TAC]

To quote Perp from the A Mob thread:

I think he realizes that many of his fans think it’s terrible. There was a thread at MP.com where posters were ranking MP projects awhile back, and AMOB barely showed up on anyone’s list. And when it did, it was almost always at the bottom.

So MP must realize that his typical fanbase don’t really like AMOB. What he doesn’t realize (or is maybe just beginning to realize) is that other rock/metal fans (Who go to Godsmack and Halestorm shows) don’t really dig AMOB much either.

I don’t really blame them. When I have to sit through an opening band I don’t know or care about, they’d better offer something that makes me remember them. AMOB aren’t very unique sounding to my ears, and I suppose AMOB really don’t have what it takes stick out in the hazy memories of thousands of drunken Godsmack fans

I’d like to hear AMOB give it one last try, and go into the studio determined to make something with a little bit more personality. I still think the band sounds decent on paper and could be good, so hopefully they won’t be discouraged and will take their failures as opportunities to improve on their formula.

I've been thinking about the Winery Dogs clip, trying to figure out how I really felt about it. Then Perp's post heped shed some light.

This was my biggest fear when MP left DT. MP's drumming and live performances, nevermind the fan extras, were the greatest factor in my DT fandom. In a way, I felt like I "lost" MP. He's going to go from project to project, and either I will like it or not. Now I think A Mob is OK, and have no use for Flying Colors, but these projects just feel like it's MP getting some buds together and banging out some tunes. Not really any limit pushing going on, just hanging out. When I watch MP's performance in the Desire video, that's all I feel.

Now I'm sure MP has his heart and soul in these projects as they are happening, but it has a flavor of the day type feeling. Maybe I have false hope, but I guess I'm waiting for MP to do what I think he does best, that is put together a progressive hard rock band that has legs, and take the lead in his genre as he once did before.

I can't believe I'm going to make this analogy, but these projects reek of "rebound" relationships. I would never claim that MP isn't serious or invested in these projects, but as a fan, I'm really hoping for MP to find a new "home". One that I, as a huge MP fan, can count on.

[bosk1]

^Yeah, I hear you.  Although A7X wasn't exactly my cup of tea, I kind of wish they had offered to keep him on full time.  I felt like they were a good fit for him (even if he wasn't a good fit for them).  He got to play music that was heavy, but still challanging, and he got to do it in packed areas.  Can't get much better than that.

[Mindflux]

^Yeah, I hear you.  Although A7X wasn't exactly my cup of tea, I kind of wish they had offered to keep him on full time.  I felt like they were a good fit for him (even if he wasn't a good fit for them).  He got to play music that was heavy, but still challanging, and he got to do it in packed areas.  Can't get much better than that.

Didn't A7X sort of allude to the fact all the DT drama prevented that from happening?

[rumborak]

The massive age difference will have played a factor too. Which I think is haunting him in all these bands too. In prog rock/metal his work would be a continuation of his impressive resume, in other genres he enters it as an aging rocker.