Author Topic: The inaugural All Music Fantasy Draft (Read 14767 times)

El Barto · « **Reply #35 on:** July 20, 2011, 10:36:05 PM »

Quote from: Riceball on July 20, 2011, 10:13:41 PM

That's a really, really cool idea; I almost think you could run it as a bracket-type affair if you get, say 16+ people. Break it up into groups of four, who each pick 8 songs and then everyone except those in that bracket votes for the best, with the winner/s progressing depending on how you'd run it.

I'd be interested in being assistant commissioner of the DTMFL if the position was available

I'll consider the 16 teams notion. One problem with that is, much like a fantasy football draft, there are a limited number of "elite" picks. Despite there being a nearly infinite number of tunes to choose from, there are 5 or 6 that are pretty obvious "first rounders" (WHICH I'D PREFER NOT BE DISCUSSED IN THIS THREAD --lets keep this spoiler free). The number 8 team probably wouldn't be at much of a disadvantage, but the 16th might well be.

energythief · « **Reply #36 on:** July 20, 2011, 10:45:30 PM »

Well, if you're looking for eclectic tastes, you can't do much better than me... however, this looks like it may shape up into a forum "popularity" or "notoriety" thing, in which case, a slot would be wasted on me.

Riceball · « **Reply #37 on:** July 20, 2011, 10:48:04 PM »

I suppose in that sense it would really be like a fantasy draft, I mean there's only one [insert NFL MVP for 2011 here] in every legit NFL fantasy comp...

El Barto · « **Reply #38 on:** July 20, 2011, 11:22:24 PM »

Quote from: energythief on July 20, 2011, 10:45:30 PM

Well, if you're looking for eclectic tastes, you can't do much better than me... however, this looks like it may shape up into a forum "popularity" or "notoriety" thing, in which case, a slot would be wasted on me.

I'm really not sure how that will turn out. I'd certainly prefer it to be people's personal favorite songs, and not what people perceive to be the most popular ones. But then there is still the element of competition. I think that there's room for both to coexist, but whether or not that actually happens is anybody's guess.

73109 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 21, 2011, 05:30:01 AM »

You are right El Barto. I mean, the one problem I have is that these "elite" picks are going to win no matter what, and people might choose them as opposed to what they really want. For example, let's say there's this song called An Alteration of Periods (

) that everyone loves that would not touch my top bazillion, what do?

El Barto · « **Reply #40 on:** July 21, 2011, 08:42:20 AM »

For one thing, elite picks won't win anything. A list will win, and the list might have one or two of the so-called elite songs on them. They'll be gone in the first round, and then you're on your own. Plus, as you pointed out, even the elite picks aren't universally loved. If you want to go specifically by what you think will be popular, you'll still be taking your chances.

Also consider that you've only got 8 slots. If I were making a desert island CD, I'd have some classical music on it. Maybe a bit of jazz. You'll need to spread things around a bit.

Dr. DTVT · « **Reply #41 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:41:18 AM »

Quote from: El Barto on July 20, 2011, 03:17:18 PM

So I've been throwing darts in my office and dreaming up the next big craze to sweep DTF. Reading through the Top Five Songs thread, you see plenty of "great list!"s and "Oh yeah!"s, and it seems like a competitive element might be in order. Here's what I'm pondering. Eight entrants drafting 8 songs each.

I see what you did there.

Quote from: El Barto on July 20, 2011, 03:17:18 PM

Who will be the first 8 contestants? What else should be considered? Other questions? Should it end in a tournament bracket, a survivor, a poll or some other method?

A little biased here, but how about people who won roulettes. We obviously have great taste in music, and since I won twice I must have twice the great taste.

This is the way I would run it. 8 players, 5 judges and 1 official. The draft is private, 8 players and the official. Official hands playlists over to judges who rank them without knowing who submitted what (to eliminate any player bias), and players don't know who is judging, althought with facebook people could probably try to influence anyway if they wanted to.

Nic35 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 21, 2011, 11:12:41 AM »

In order to give everyone a fair chance to participate, I say we need to do a lottery. If you let people vote, obviously they will vote for their favorite members.

Ravenheart · « **Reply #43 on:** July 21, 2011, 11:16:44 AM »

I'll do whatever it takes to make sure that everyone is forced to sit down and listen to my shitty favorites.

Dr. DTVT · « **Reply #44 on:** July 21, 2011, 12:00:43 PM »

Quote from: Ravenheart on July 21, 2011, 11:16:44 AM

I'll do whatever it takes to make sure that everyone is forced to sit down and listen to my shitty favorites.

If you dropped dead I'm sure we'd hold a memorial for you and listen to your shitty favorites.

Ravenheart · « **Reply #45 on:** July 21, 2011, 12:14:06 PM »

I think you're onto something there.

energythief · « **Reply #46 on:** July 22, 2011, 12:17:35 AM »

Quote from: Nic35 on July 21, 2011, 11:12:41 AM

If you let people vote, obviously they will vote for their favorite members.

Ħ · « **Reply #47 on:** July 22, 2011, 01:35:08 AM »

Quote from: energythief on July 22, 2011, 12:17:35 AM

Quote from: Nic35 on July 21, 2011, 11:12:41 AM
If you let people vote, obviously they will vote for their favorite members.

Well...yeah. That's the point. The voted members will be a good representation of DTF.

dethklok09 · « **Reply #48 on:** July 22, 2011, 01:36:48 AM »

Quote from: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 01:35:08 AM

Quote from: energythief on July 22, 2011, 12:17:35 AM
Quote from: Nic35 on July 21, 2011, 11:12:41 AM
If you let people vote, obviously they will vote for their favorite members.
Well...yeah. That's the point. The voted members will be a good representation of DTF.

So that means I'm in for sure right

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #49 on:** July 22, 2011, 01:38:36 AM »

Quote from: dethklok09 on July 22, 2011, 01:36:48 AM

Quote from: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 01:35:08 AM
Quote from: energythief on July 22, 2011, 12:17:35 AM
Quote from: Nic35 on July 21, 2011, 11:12:41 AM
If you let people vote, obviously they will vote for their favorite members.
Well...yeah. That's the point. The voted members will be a good representation of DTF.
So that means I'm in for sure right

I wanna be in, too. The only prog metal I like is DT, Synth-X, Opeth, Kings X, and Galactic Cowboys!

Quadrochosis · « **Reply #50 on:** July 22, 2011, 08:16:28 AM »

I'd really like to partake in this, as I said on the first page. Hopefully this can be pretty interesting and we can all learn more from each other.

El Barto · « **Reply #51 on:** July 22, 2011, 09:57:34 AM »

So I put everybody's name into Excel, had random numbers generated next to them, recalculated 10 times, and then sorted the results. The first 7 are:

Iarwain
Nic35
Riceball
Ravenheart
DTVT
Ħ
Numbers

I'll figure out the mechanics of how the draft will work shortly.

Nic35 · « **Reply #52 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:34:10 AM »

Ravenheart · « **Reply #53 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:37:30 AM »

Prepare your ears for the worst beating they've ever experienced.

contest_sanity · « **Reply #54 on:** July 22, 2011, 01:54:12 PM »

Quote from: Ravenheart on July 22, 2011, 10:37:30 AM

Prepare your ears for the worst beating they've ever experienced.

You'll be gothic with bruises before he's done.

Ravenheart · « **Reply #55 on:** July 22, 2011, 02:08:37 PM »

Quote from: contest_sanity on July 22, 2011, 01:54:12 PM

Quote from: Ravenheart on July 22, 2011, 10:37:30 AM
Prepare your ears for the worst beating they've ever experienced.
You'll be gothic with bruises before he's done.

And tangled up in fishnets and smeared with mascara like warpaint.

73109 · « **Reply #56 on:** July 22, 2011, 02:13:22 PM »

Ten bucks says I will try, and still fail miserably.

antigoon · « **Reply #57 on:** July 22, 2011, 02:20:14 PM »

Oh darn, I would have been interested in this. I will follow it though

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #58 on:** July 22, 2011, 02:20:42 PM »

I'll follow it, but only if I get to be in the next one.

El Barto · « **Reply #59 on:** July 22, 2011, 02:24:42 PM »

Quote from: antigoon on July 22, 2011, 02:20:14 PM

Oh darn, I would have been interested in this. I will follow it though

I actually think there might be subsequent ones that are better. An album version, or a band-specific version will probably work better. It'd put more of an emphasis on the actual draft portion. I suspect in this one, only the first round will really matter much, and that won't have too much effect on the winning list.

Ħ · « **Reply #60 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:10:06 PM »

Quote from: El Barto on July 22, 2011, 09:57:34 AM

So I put everybody's name into Excel, had random numbers generated next to them, recalculated 10 times, and then sorted the results. The first 7 are:

Iarwain
Nic35
Riceball
Ravenheart
DTVT
Ħ
Numbers

I'll figure out the mechanics of how the draft will work shortly.

I don't remember actually signing up, but okay, I'll do it.

Ħ · « **Reply #61 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:16:50 PM »

I have two suggestions:

- The competitors remain anonymous for a few rounds. This prevents people from just voting for their favorite members (which may or may not be a problem, I'm not sure).
- No Dream Theater.

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #62 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:18:35 PM »

Quote from: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 03:16:50 PM

I have two suggestions:

- The competitors remain anonymous for a few rounds. This prevents people from just voting for their favorite members (which may or may not be a problem, I'm not sure).
- No Dream Theater.

What would the stance be on DT-side-dishes?

Ħ · « **Reply #63 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:24:05 PM »

Quote from: MasterShakezula on July 22, 2011, 03:18:35 PM

Quote from: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 03:16:50 PM
I have two suggestions:

- The competitors remain anonymous for a few rounds. This prevents people from just voting for their favorite members (which may or may not be a problem, I'm not sure).
- No Dream Theater.

What would the stance be on DT-side-dishes?

Do you mean like Transatlantic and Liquid Tension Experiment? Now that you mention it, maybe.

Actually that gives me an idea. How about, before the draft, each member can ban one or two artists from being selected? This prevents people from just picking a bunch of Porcupine Tree/Opeth/Dream Theater/Pink Floyd songs for an easy win.

MasterShakezula · « **Reply #64 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:25:58 PM »

Quote from: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 03:24:05 PM

Quote from: MasterShakezula on July 22, 2011, 03:18:35 PM
Quote from: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 03:16:50 PM
I have two suggestions:

- The competitors remain anonymous for a few rounds. This prevents people from just voting for their favorite members (which may or may not be a problem, I'm not sure).
- No Dream Theater.

What would the stance be on DT-side-dishes?
Do you mean like Transatlantic and Liquid Tension Experiment? Now that you mention it, maybe.

Actually that gives me an idea. How about, before the draft, each member can ban one or two artists from being selected? This prevents people from just picking a bunch of Porcupine Tree/Opeth/Dream Theater/Pink Floyd songs for an easy win.

I'd probably also consider banning Rush, KC, Yes and maybe Symphony-X. They also seem to be almost universally loved, as well, adn kinda no-brain-er picks.

El Barto · « **Reply #65 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:27:06 PM »

Quote from: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 03:10:06 PM

I don't remember actually signing up, but okay, I'll do it.

My bad. I took all of you contributions as an interest in participating. There are plenty who'd be interested in your slot if you don't want it.

Quote from: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 03:16:50 PM

I have two suggestions:

- The competitors remain anonymous for a few rounds. This prevents people from just voting for their favorite members (which may or may not be a problem, I'm not sure).
- No Dream Theater.

Not sure you understand. Nobody will be voting on anything until after the draft. Each of the participants will draft an entire 8 song lineup, and those lineups will be voted on afterward.

And I'm counting on DT to make the first round interesting.

Quote from: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 03:24:05 PM

Actually that gives me an idea. How about, before the draft, each member can ban one or two artists from being selected? This prevents people from just picking a bunch of Porcupine Tree/Opeth/Dream Theater/Pink Floyd songs for an easy win.

I'm not sure a list of all PT/Opeth/DT/PF would actually win. Personally, I'd prefer a helluva lot more diversity than that. Plus, some of those like Opeth and DT aren't exactly universally adored.

Ħ · « **Reply #66 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:35:16 PM »

Quote from: El Barto on July 22, 2011, 03:27:06 PM

Quote from: Ħ on July 22, 2011, 03:10:06 PM
I don't remember actually signing up, but okay, I'll do it.
My bad. I took all of you contributions as an interest in participating. There are plenty who'd be interested in your slot if you don't want it.

No, I'll do it, it sounds pretty cool.

Nic35 · « **Reply #67 on:** July 22, 2011, 04:59:39 PM »

When a song from one band is picked, can we still pick a song from that same band? Once a song is picked I know it can't be picked afterwards, but is it the same for the band?

antigoon · « **Reply #68 on:** July 22, 2011, 06:13:06 PM »

Honestly I'm not sure how long DT would last in GMD

Jirpo · « **Reply #69 on:** July 22, 2011, 09:06:22 PM »

Quote from: antigoon on July 22, 2011, 06:13:06 PM

Honestly I'm not sure how long DT would last in GMD

I assume it would still last quite a while, looking at the top 10 artists thread

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Author Topic: The inaugural All Music Fantasy Draft (Read 14767 times)