Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS*

[faizoff]

Odd how I couldn't get into any of the Marvel TV series SHIELD or Agent Carter yet love the Netflix series Marvel has done with them.

[masterthes]

Ranking? Ok, let's do this!

1. Winter Soldier
2. Guardians of the Galaxy
3. Avengers
4. Civil War
5. Iron Man
6. Ultron
7. Captain America
8. Ant-Man
9. Iron Man 3
10. Thor
11. Incredible Hulk
12. Iron Man 2
13. The Dark World

[hefdaddy42]

Odd how I couldn't get into any of the Marvel TV series SHIELD or Agent Carter yet love the Netflix series Marvel has done with them.

I don't think it's odd.  The tone for the ABC shows is completely different than the tone for the Netflix shows.  Makes sense that one or the other wouldn't appeal to some fans.

[BlackInk]

It's a shame that the first half of Agents of Shield season 1 was so mediocre. It feels like they lost so many viewers that could have been there now that the show's actually good and interesting.

[ThatOneGuy2112]

I don't think I could confidently rank all the MCU films in full, but:

Favorites: Civil War, Iron Man, Winter Soldier

Least Favorites: Hulk, Dark World, Iron Main 2

[Zook]

Finally saw Deadpool. Loved it. Surprisingly my girlfriend did as well.

[Adami]

Looks like Marvel has poached another Human Torch. Michael B. Jordan has joined Black Panther. No word on his character yet. I love it.

[Zantera]

Cast ALL the black actors!

[BlackInk]

#marvelsoblack

[hefdaddy42]

Cast ALL the black actors!

Well, they definitely focus on casting all the GOOD actors, regardless of race.

[Adami]

Cast ALL the black actors!

Well, they definitely focus on casting all the GOOD actors, regardless of race.

True, but in a movie based in Africa, they might be considering race this time too.

[King Postwhore]

Finally saw Civil War.   What I love about a Russo Brothers directed film is how they seamlessly meld the real action with the CGI action and the dialogue is so well written you forget this is an action film.

[jingle.boy]

Ok, so now that it's been out 10 days, I'm going non-small font spoilers.

So much awesomeness with this, and I'm so glad that I didn't watch all the spots/featurettes etc...  The double meaning to the 'civil war' was awesome, and a very nice twist to setup the final fight.  The ode's to the real civil way comics were nice (Sharon's eulogy; Friday analyzing the fighting moves - though, in record time, the new spider suit, the repulsor blast-vs-shield).  The acting, the action, the comedy, the fight sequences, the storyline, the motivations for everyone taking the side that they did (Natasha taking Tony's side was a bit of a stretch) .... all virtually flawless.  I give it a 9.5/10

Nitpicking though (and this is why it's VIRTUALLY flawless)
- Sharon/Cap/Falco getting from London to Vienna in the blink of an eye.
- How did Team Iron know to go to the airport?  Natasha made mention of 'I know someone who knows where they are'
- Were those Stormtroopers shooting at Bucky?  They could only hit his arm/hand?
- convenient that there was a camera down the middle of a back/dirt road to film the hit on the Stark's
- Quite the series of events to perfectly time getting Cap/Bucky/Tony at that Hydra base in Siberia all at the same time.
- Seriously, how did Rhodes survive that fall?  How much insulation is there inside the suit?


But like I said... that was nitpicking.  Could very well be the best MCU movie.  Definitely Top 3.

[Adami]

Ok, so now that it's been out 10 days, I'm going non-small font spoilers.

So much awesomeness with this, and I'm so glad that I didn't watch all the spots/featurettes etc...  The double meaning to the 'civil war' was awesome, and a very nice twist to setup the final fight.  The ode's to the real civil way comics were nice (Sharon's eulogy; Friday analyzing the fighting moves - though, in record time, the new spider suit, the repulsor blast-vs-shield).  The acting, the action, the comedy, the fight sequences, the storyline, the motivations for everyone taking the side that they did (Natasha taking Tony's side was a bit of a stretch) .... all virtually flawless.  I give it a 9.5/10

Nitpicking though (and this is why it's VIRTUALLY flawless)
- Sharon/Cap/Falco getting from London to Vienna in the blink of an eye.
- How did Team Iron know to go to the airport?  Natasha made mention of 'I know someone who knows where they are'
- Were those Stormtroopers shooting at Bucky?  They could only hit his arm/hand?
- convenient that there was a camera down the middle of a back/dirt road to film the hit on the Stark's
- Quite the series of events to perfectly time getting Cap/Bucky/Tony at that Hydra base in Siberia all at the same time.
- Seriously, how did Rhodes survive that fall?  How much insulation is there inside the suit?


But like I said... that was nitpicking.  Could very well be the best MCU movie.  Definitely Top 3.

I'll agree with things really needing to happen for Zemo's plan at the end to work out and the guys only hitting Bucky's arm. The rest, suspension of disbelief takes care of for me.

[BlackInk]

how did Rhodes survive that fall?  How much insulation is there inside the suit?

Yeah, he would totally just be a Rhodey-soup inside that suite after that fall. I would have preferred it if he actually died there, but whatever. I still loved the movie.

[Kotowboy]

I just saw Age of Ultron and there's a scene where Ultron throws Don Cheadle through a window and he falls like 20+ feet onto solid floor.

I assumed he was obviously dead - but no - back in next scene just fine.

Even the humans in movies are superhuman.

[Adami]

I just saw Age of Ultron and there's a scene where Ultron throws Don Cheadle through a window and he falls like 20+ feet onto solid floor.

I assumed he was obviously dead - but no - back in next scene just fine.

Even the humans in movies are superhuman.

To be fair, this applies to almost every film with a super element. How many times have you seen a super strong person hit someone and make them fly back 20 feet? Being hit with that much force would destroy you or at least crush most of your bones. It happens.

[Kotowboy]

Civil War has made more money than Batman V Superman already and has been out for like a quarter of the time.

[Podaar]

I saw Civil War this weekend and really enjoyed it. Spiderman was really well done, "Dude, you have a metal arm. That's so cool!"

I'm not sure why it's being hailed as the best of the bunch though. I think Guardians of the Galaxy, Winter Solider, The Avengers, and Ironman were all better...but just a bit.

[bosk1]

It's a shame that the first half of Agents of Shield season 1 was so mediocre. It feels like they lost so many viewers that could have been there now that the show's actually good and interesting.

I'm still not sure how I feel about the current storyline.  It is cool, but...I'm not really able to put into words why I don't like it as much as I did last season.  Maybe that's because I still cannot decide whether a couple of the characters have gone in directions with their personal arcs that I don't believe vs. simply do not like.  Maybe that will be resolved once I catch up on the last few episodes.  I have avoided watching because I have not yet been able to see Civil War, and will not be able to do so for another week or two.  On that note, I am already having to scroll past spoiler posts to avoid reading them, so I will have to avoid this thread altogether for a bit. 

But as for the first half of season 1, I have mixed feelings about it.  It certainly was a bit more random, and the storyline perhaps wasn't as good.  But it really was simply about the formation of the team.  And to that end, it did its job.  Once the role of the team took on a more firm and interesting direction (and as it was revealed to the creative team that they would be building on the events of The Winter Soldier and on the discovery of the inhumans), things ramped up quite well.  I don't really think season 1 was "mediocre."  It just perhaps wasn't as focused as the series would later become. 

[hefdaddy42]

I am just really curious about how in the world the iteration of the Inhumans on Agents of SHIELD, with Hive as the super-Inhuman, will in any way dovetail with the royal family of the Inhumans, whom I would assume will be the stars of the Inhumans film.

[King Postwhore]

Lets be honest.  A show has to grow and not many shows are that mind blowing in the first season.  It takes time to feel the acting and the writing out.

I am just really curious about how in the world the iteration of the Inhumans on Agents of SHIELD, with Hive as the super-Inhuman, will in any way dovetail with the royal family of the Inhumans, whom I would assume will be the stars of the Inhumans film.

Great question and since they delayed it, who knows where they are going with it now.

[hefdaddy42]

Yeah, but it is ONLY delayed, not canceled.

[Zantera]

I'm surprised they didn't confirm it being cancelled since it's pretty clear they have no plans to make it. We definitely won't see it before 2025 at least.

[King Postwhore]

Right. They are full on tackling the Inhumans on TV and they like to link the timelines with the movies so I wonder what the movie delay will do to the TV show.

[bosk1]

I am just really curious about how in the world the iteration of the Inhumans on Agents of SHIELD, with Hive as the super-Inhuman, will in any way dovetail with the royal family of the Inhumans, whom I would assume will be the stars of the Inhumans film.

Given the direction SHIELD is taking with the Inhumans, I wonder if the "royal family" will even come into play.  I could see the MCU taking a completely different direction and there not even being a royal family.  It would seem odd for them not to have been mentioned at this stage in the game, given that several characters revealed thus far would surely have knowledge of them if they exist in the MCU.  Seems like it would be difficult to explain away.  And I think that the longer we have an Inhumans story arc developing in AOS without any mention of them, the bigger a stretch it will be to explain away the failure to mention them.  But who knows?

[Adami]

I am just really curious about how in the world the iteration of the Inhumans on Agents of SHIELD, with Hive as the super-Inhuman, will in any way dovetail with the royal family of the Inhumans, whom I would assume will be the stars of the Inhumans film.

Given the direction SHIELD is taking with the Inhumans, I wonder if the "royal family" will even come into play.  I could see the MCU taking a completely different direction and there not even being a royal family.  It would seem odd for them not to have been mentioned at this stage in the game, given that several characters revealed thus far would surely have knowledge of them if they exist in the MCU.  Seems like it would be difficult to explain away.  And I think that the longer we have an Inhumans story arc developing in AOS without any mention of them, the bigger a stretch it will be to explain away the failure to mention them.  But who knows?

The best I can think of is that the royal family (along with a bunch of Inhumans) live on the moon on Attilan and have been completely isolated from Earth. It would mostly be in line with the comics and would explain why no one on earth (thus far) has mentioned them.

[bosk1]

I get that.  And maybe my misgivings come from my ignorance of the Inhumans in general from the comics (I never read anything relating to them).  But it just seems odd to me that Jia Ying, Gordon, Lincoln, or Hive would not at least have known they existed.  And given that, it would seem odd that they would not have been mentioned yet, as their existence would certainly have been relevant to events that have taken place thus far.  But maybe not.    I guess we'll see.

[bosk1]

I guess we'll see.

Beat you to it.

[Dream Team]

Civil War has made more money than Batman V Superman already and has been out for like a quarter of the time.

And rightly so. BvS blew chunks.

[hefdaddy42]

I'm surprised they didn't confirm it being cancelled since it's pretty clear they have no plans to make it. We definitely won't see it before 2025 at least.

No such thing is "pretty clear."  Kevin Feige spoke about it just the other day.

Phase 3 was already going to be bigger than Phase 1 or 2, and that was before they added Ant-Man & The Wasp and Spider-Man: Homecoming to the mix.  They just removed it from Phase 3, but he said they still love the story and the characters and no way is it canceled.  He has no reason to lie about that.

[The Trooper]

agree. Marvel is a well oiled machine at his moment. No reason to lie about anything. If you are pushing back something etc. Say it up front and move on.

[Adami]

Obviously one huge problem they have is timelines and the complete lack of communication between the TV guys and the movie guys.

To make a movie like Inhumans, they need to have the story planned out a few years before it comes out. Shield, on the other hand, makes their decisions way later. If they decide where the Inhumans story line will have to be 3 years down the line, that limits where Shield can go. If Shield keep doing their thing, then it's impossible for Marvel to be able to plan a movie around it. Best case scenario is for Shield to take the focus off of Inhumans after this season. Keep them as the Secret Warriors and move on to other threats and so forth. Then the movie can figure out where it needs to be and not be impeded by Shield.

[bosk1]

Or AOS may simply end, in which case there are no potential conflicts to resolve.

[Adami]

Or AOS may simply end, in which case there are no potential conflicts to resolve.

A very possible, though slightly more disappointing possibility.