Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS*

[bosk1]

I just want to reiterate:  "Pelvic sorcery." 

[hefdaddy42]

Yeah, that was a great line.

[hefdaddy42]

First poster for Ant-Man.



First teaser trailer debuts during first episode of Agent Carter tonight.

[bosk1]

Agent Carter. 

[hefdaddy42]

Agent Carter. 

Indeed.

[King Postwhore]

Thanks for the reminder.  TO THE DVR!

[Zantera]

I'll be curious to see the ratings for this episode of Agent Carter and the next one, just to see how many tuned in just for Ant-Man.

[King Postwhore]

Funny reading your post Jimmy in this day and age of the internet when it will be up right after it's on TV.


These times are a changin'.

[Zantera]

Yeah I know a lot of people will probably wait, but out of the big fanboys, they will probably tune in, just to see the trailer an hour before it goes online, or 30 mins, or whatever. 

[King Postwhore]

No, I'm not razzing you, I was thinking about how it affects rating now that things get put on the internet so fast.

[hefdaddy42]

I doubt many people watched it just for Ant-Man.

The Ant-Man teaser was actually pretty cool.  But I LOVED the first episode (actually first 2 episodes) of Agent Carter.  Very nice.

[Zantera]

The Ant-Man trailer looked good. And I'm happy Paul Rudd gets this chance. IMO he's been one of the more likable actors over the last 10 years, but at least to me, it seems he rarely gets the opportunity to shine. He's either the friend of the main character, or it's a movie like "I Love You Man" where he is one of the two main guys. With Ant-Man it kinda feels like he's getting a break, and gets to be front and center and get some more attention. I've been a fan of him for years, and it's nice to see him get a bigger role.

[Dark Castle]

The Ant-Man trailer looked good. And I'm happy Paul Rudd gets this chance. IMO he's been one of the more likable actors over the last 10 years, but at least to me, it seems he rarely gets the opportunity to shine. He's either the friend of the main character, or it's a movie like "I Love You Man" where he is one of the two main guys. With Ant-Man it kinda feels like he's getting a break, and gets to be front and center and get some more attention. I've been a fan of him for years, and it's nice to see him get a bigger role.

Agree 100% 

[bosk1]

I LOVED the first episode (actually first 2 episodes) of Agent Carter.  Very nice.

I thought it was pretty good too, but I will have to watch again.  I was exhausted and I am sure I missed a lot.  And I am a bit confused about the timeline as well.  This appears to take place slightly BEFORE the Agent Carter One-Shot, right?  I was under the impression it would take place just after, but that does not seem to be the case.

[hefdaddy42]

I believe it is before the one-shot.

[BlackInk]

The Ant-Man trailer was neat. Nothing really great, but I believe I won't be fully on board with this project until I see the movie and see how good or bad it is for myself.

Haven't seen the 'Agent Carter' episodes yet, I'll probably get to it tonight.

[BlackInk]

The intro to the first episode really just reminds me of how the end of the first Captain America movie made absolutely no sense.

[hefdaddy42]

The intro to the first episode really just reminds me of how the end of the first Captain America movie made absolutely no sense.

[BlackInk]

Firstly, the plane crash. When he pushes the levers forward to crash I'm just screaming internally 'YOU HAVE CONTROL OF THE PLANE? AND YOU SOMEHOW DECIDE THAT YOUR ONLY OPTION IN THE WORLD IS TO CRASH IT IN THE ICE?'.

Also, they sent people to random places at the bottom of the sea for god knows how long to locate the tesseract but not one damn helicopter or something to find a huge ass plane and discover that Captain America actually survived? Not even to retrieve the body for a funeral, or to harvest some of the Hydra-tech on the plane? EVERYONE just decided 'nope, no need to go and look, he definetely died, even after all the amazing things we've seen him do'.

Of course it's so that he could be frozen for 70 years and be in the Avengers, and I'm okay with that. Just can't help but notice that none of it is logical.

[hefdaddy42]

Firstly, the plane crash. When he pushes the levers forward to crash I'm just screaming internally 'YOU HAVE CONTROL OF THE PLANE? AND YOU SOMEHOW DECIDE THAT YOUR ONLY OPTION IN THE WORLD IS TO CRASH IT IN THE ICE?'.

He didn't see a way to land it safely without a risk of those WMDs going off.  So he ditched it as far away as he could go.  I don't see a problem.

Also, they sent people to random places at the bottom of the sea for god knows how long to locate the tesseract but not one damn helicopter or something to find a huge ass plane and discover that Captain America actually survived? Not even to retrieve the body for a funeral, or to harvest some of the Hydra-tech on the plane? EVERYONE just decided 'nope, no need to go and look, he definetely died, even after all the amazing things we've seen him do'.

I don't know that they sent "people" to "random" places.  I remember Howard Stark searching for the Tesseract, which departed the plane well before the crash landing.  They were probably able to narrow down a search area based on telemetry and direction and all that technical mumbo-jumbo.  So it wasn't where the plane was, and might not have been anywhere NEAR where it was. 

And they just didn't find it.  It happens.  Not far-fetched at all, especially for a superhero film.

[bosk1]

I think I remember reading somewhere that we are STILL looking for a real plane somewhere near Asia or Australia or something.  I could be misremembering...

[Zantera]

A tv-show about Captain America's boring girlfriend, taking place in the long dull time spawn between First Avenger and the modern movies? With Agent's of SHIELD I can sort of see the appeal since it takes place now, and will (to some extent) connect with the current events of the movies, but with Agent Carter I don't see the appeal. Unless you got tons and tons of free time and you need to absorb anything Marvel.

No offense to anyone watching the show, it might be great

[BlackInk]

He didn't see a way to land it safely without a risk of those WMDs going off.  So he ditched it as far away as he could go.  I don't see a problem.

I'm not saying going to an airport and just landing it would be his best option, I just think that it would be logical to think things over a bit longer without immediately killing yourself. A better solution would not be hard to find for these guys. He even since 'if I wait any longer a lot of people are going to die', to which I say 'hell no, you could fly this thing in circles out in the middle of nowhere until there's a plan or something.

They were probably able to narrow down a search area based on telemetry and direction and all that technical mumbo-jumbo.

I'm just thinking they could have used this in the search for the plane too. He never steered the plane to the sides or anything, he just forced it straight down. So the plane, even if it's far from the tesseract, should still be in the same path.

[hefdaddy42]

I'm not saying going to an airport and just landing it would be his best option, I just think that it would be logical to think things over a bit longer without immediately killing yourself. A better solution would not be hard to find for these guys. He even since 'if I wait any longer a lot of people are going to die', to which I say 'hell no, you could fly this thing in circles out in the middle of nowhere until there's a plan or something.

Like what?  It was the 40's, there was no SHIELD.  The most advanced technology on the planet was in the plane with him.  He didn't see a viable, safe alternative, so he took one for the team.

He never steered the plane to the sides or anything, he just forced it straight down. So the plane, even if it's far from the tesseract, should still be in the same path.

Maybe.  I dunno.  But in every war, people are listed as missing, presumed dead.  It's no stretch to think the same thing happened here.

If it's a problem for you, then it's a problem for you.  But I don't see it as a problem, and neither do most fans.  Not sure what to tell you.

[bosk1]

A tv-show about Captain America's boring girlfriend, taking place in the long dull time spawn between First Avenger and the modern movies? With Agent's of SHIELD I can sort of see the appeal since it takes place now, and will (to some extent) connect with the current events of the movies, but with Agent Carter I don't see the appeal. Unless you got tons and tons of free time and you need to absorb anything Marvel.

No offense to anyone watching the show, it might be great

Well, I think of it kind of like the comics (although I haven't read comics in YEARS now, but still).  Let's say that at any given time, Marvel has 30 active titles.  You might be actively into, let's say, 5 of those.  But you like the characters in those a lot, and there are crossovers into issues with other characters, such that if you read the crossovers, you get a lot of really cool relevant background information and story about the 5 titles you are most into.  So now you are into 10 titles, total--5 because you actively like them, and 5 because they fill in relevant information to the 5 you actively want to follow.  It works similarly with the Marvel Movie/TV universe.  Howard Stark and Peggy Carter are actually pretty important foundational characters for the present-day Marvel Universe.  And Jarvis is pretty important as well.  So I think it makes sense for a limited series focusing on those characters.  It provides a more rich, developed backstory for a lot of related Marvel outlets, such as the films.

And as for Agents of SHIELD, while it functioned primarily as a spinoff of the films during season 1, season 2 made it an independent entity on equal footing with the films, IMO.  It is now VERY connected with the films and is setting up a lot of what will happen in the films for the next few years. 

[ariich]

It was the 40's, there was no SHIELD.  The most advanced technology on the planet was in the plane with him.

This so much. Not sure why it's hard to believe that they couldn't find a single crashed plane in the 40s.

[ariich]

So I think it makes sense for a limited series focusing on those characters.  It provides a more rich, developed backstory for a lot of related Marvel outlets, such as the films.

And this as well.

[BlackInk]

It was the 40's, there was no SHIELD.  The most advanced technology on the planet was in the plane with him.

This so much. Not sure why it's hard to believe that they couldn't find a single crashed plane in the 40s.

Because they also want us to believe that they found a cube small enough to hold in your hand, at the bottom of the ocean. And the plane was on the surface, and as large as a skyscraper.

Like I said though, I'm okay with it for the sake of setting up future stories, and I still enjoy the movie. So it's not so much of a problem that it ruins the whole thing.

EDIT: I feel this needs revisiting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruMO9SXto0Q

[bosk1]

Because they also want us to believe that they found a cube small enough to hold in your hand, at the bottom of the ocean.

Yes, but a cube that emits a unique and very powerful energy signature, which can be tracked.

[Lucien]

Because they also want us to believe that they found a cube small enough to hold in your hand, at the bottom of the ocean.

Yes, but a cube that emits a unique and very powerful energy signature, which can be tracked.

That they had also been looking for for 60+ years

[BlackInk]

But the plane was full of stuff powered by the same sort of power, including several giant nukes.

Am I seriously the only one who finds the ending even a little bit illogical?

[ariich]

Apparently so.

[Lucien]

But the plane was full of stuff powered by the same sort of power, including several giant nukes.

Am I seriously the only one who finds the ending even a little bit illogical?

Well, there's a difference between a power source and a ton of weapons that use its power. The tesseract will obviously shine brighter. The other weapons might have lost it, I don't know.

[hefdaddy42]

Marvel stuff keeps happening:  The Daredevil series on Netflix will hit on April 10.  Here's the poster.  Pretty cool. 

[ariich]

Schweet. No idea if any UK channel is going to pick it up, though I guess Netflix UK might. Nobody has picked up Agent Carter here so I'm having to find other means to watch it.