Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS*

[Dark Castle]

I don't know man, there's been a lot of good design decisions lately in regards to female super heroes. Check out the new Bat Girl design, it fucking rules.


Batgirl's new design  and the new Thor are a good start.

[Zantera]

It almost reeks of desperation from their part. I agree that we could use more female heroes, but instead of creating new and interesting ones, they take the lazy route and just change one of their most iconic. It's on par with how they changed Peter Parker to Miles Morales in the Spider-Man universe. I don't mind the comic book artists experimenting and doing crazy shit for like a small story arc or two, but when they change an iconic character and claim "its permanent".. I just don't see the point.

[ariich]

Yeah, I'd also prefer they just create new and interesting female characters who are awesome in their own right. Same with any other "minority" group in comics.

[Zantera]

If you can't create a strong female character on their own, you just take an already existing and popular male character, rework them to a female character and there's already a fanbase from the previous incarnations.

 

[hefdaddy42]

Back to the MOVIE universe, response to early viewings of Guardians of the Galaxy appears to be overwhelmingly positive.  Can't wait for that one!

[Zantera]

I think Guardians of the Galaxy could prove to be one of the better Marvel movies, or at least one of the more fun ones. We'll probably also get tons of info about Avengers 2 on Comic Con which is coming soon, so that's nice too.

[hefdaddy42]

We've already gotten more than I would have expected to get this far in advance.

[The King in Crimson]

Back to the MOVIE universe, response to early viewings of Guardians of the Galaxy appears to be overwhelmingly positive.  Can't wait for that one!

Back when GotG was in it's preliminary stages, I thought it was the worst possible idea that Marvel could have a for a film. Seeing those first trailers gave me a lot of faith in the filmmakers with regards to the story and the tone.

I can't wait to see it now. This is the movie I've been looking forward to all this summer.

EDIT:

I don't know man, there's been a lot of good design decisions lately in regards to female super heroes. Check out the new Bat Girl design, it fucking rules.

Batgirl's new design  and the new Thor are a good start.

Yeah, those aren't bad looking and the little I saw of Thor's wasn't bad either. Hopefully it stays that way. Call me cynical but I just don't trust the comic book industry to not fuck this up in some way.

[MoraWintersoul]

So will she be Thor or Thoria or Thora or Thorina or Thoriqua?

Just Thor.

Just thinking about it, this pretty par for the course with regards to comics. Characters regularly die, come back to life, were never actually dead, were clones, fake their deaths, break their backs or are rebooted into alternate timelines or histories or whatever so I don't find this too out of the ordinary and giving female readers another character to latch onto is probably the least worst reason for a reboot.

Yeah, but leave it to people who admittedly don't care about comics to suddenly care about this. I think it's cool they're switching things up sometimes, and let's face it, just creating new characters that will never have the same audience as their old ones is only one of the ways to contribute to kids reading comics having more heroes who look like them to look up to, and it's not the most efficient way by any means.

If it doesn't work, god knows they can switch back.

[Zook]

So will she be Thor or Thoria or Thora or Thorina or Thoriqua?

Just Thor.

Just thinking about it, this pretty par for the course with regards to comics. Characters regularly die, come back to life, were never actually dead, were clones, fake their deaths, break their backs or are rebooted into alternate timelines or histories or whatever so I don't find this too out of the ordinary and giving female readers another character to latch onto is probably the least worst reason for a reboot.

Yeah, but leave it to people who admittedly don't care about comics to suddenly care about this. I think it's cool they're switching things up sometimes, and let's face it, just creating new characters that will never have the same audience as their old ones is only one of the ways to contribute to kids reading comics having more heroes who look like them to look up to, and it's not the most efficient way by any means.

If it doesn't work, god knows they can switch back.

So because I don't read comics, I'm not allowed to have an opinion?

[MoraWintersoul]

So will she be Thor or Thoria or Thora or Thorina or Thoriqua?

Just Thor.

Just thinking about it, this pretty par for the course with regards to comics. Characters regularly die, come back to life, were never actually dead, were clones, fake their deaths, break their backs or are rebooted into alternate timelines or histories or whatever so I don't find this too out of the ordinary and giving female readers another character to latch onto is probably the least worst reason for a reboot.

Yeah, but leave it to people who admittedly don't care about comics to suddenly care about this. I think it's cool they're switching things up sometimes, and let's face it, just creating new characters that will never have the same audience as their old ones is only one of the ways to contribute to kids reading comics having more heroes who look like them to look up to, and it's not the most efficient way by any means.

If it doesn't work, god knows they can switch back.

So because I don't read comics, I'm not allowed to have an opinion?

Kind of, because then you'd know that's not even close to the weirdest stuff that happened in comics to characters.

Comic books have always followed trends, and the current trend is allowing everyone to feel represented as the big main character. I think it's great for kids and may it last long. You're allowed to have a different opinion, but "OMG they're changing established characters just for the shit of it" is pretty much an established practice in comics.

[ariich]

That's a good point. Let's face it, the only reason Captain America exists at all is because the trends at the time.

EDIT: I would still prefer them to create new characters though. That would say to me "we're taking this seriously, we're creating a diverse range of characters and situations". I appreciate this sort of thing is not uncommon, but it does stink of "we need to meet a quota".

[Zook]

So will she be Thor or Thoria or Thora or Thorina or Thoriqua?

Just Thor.

Just thinking about it, this pretty par for the course with regards to comics. Characters regularly die, come back to life, were never actually dead, were clones, fake their deaths, break their backs or are rebooted into alternate timelines or histories or whatever so I don't find this too out of the ordinary and giving female readers another character to latch onto is probably the least worst reason for a reboot.

Yeah, but leave it to people who admittedly don't care about comics to suddenly care about this. I think it's cool they're switching things up sometimes, and let's face it, just creating new characters that will never have the same audience as their old ones is only one of the ways to contribute to kids reading comics having more heroes who look like them to look up to, and it's not the most efficient way by any means.

If it doesn't work, god knows they can switch back.

So because I don't read comics, I'm not allowed to have an opinion?

Kind of, because then you'd know that's not even close to the weirdest stuff that happened in comics to characters.

Comic books have always followed trends, and the current trend is allowing everyone to feel represented as the big main character. I think it's great for kids and may it last long. You're allowed to have a different opinion, but "OMG they're changing established characters just for the shit of it" is pretty much an established practice in comics.

That's basically the same notion as I don't play guitar so I shouldn't critique or comment on someone's playing.

If I decided one day to change Zook into a female character, that would be weird and stupid. He's always been male.... If you're confused, Zook is an alien character I created 20 years ago. I've used that name for most everything needing a username.

If only I could still draw...

[MoraWintersoul]

I would still prefer them to create new characters though. That would say to me "we're taking this seriously, we're creating a diverse range of characters and situations". I appreciate this sort of thing is not uncommon, but it does stink of "we need to meet a quota".

I'd like that too, but I just don't see many people caring about newer comics the way they care about longer-running ones. We don't even have a popular thread for the older running ones around here, either! I could be wrong, though.

That's basically the same notion as I don't play guitar so I shouldn't critique or comment on someone's playing.

It's more like never listening to Yngwie Malmsteen, then seeing a review about him doing an(other) album with 2 solos per song and going "omg isn't it stupid that this dude feels the need to record so many solos on one album, am I right?", when it's kind of his thing.

[Zook]

Just for the record, I have read quite a few comics in my life, but it was never an ongoing thing cuz aint nobody got time for that.

[MetalJunkie]

Same. I would really love to read comics, but I have so much other shit I enjoy doing that takes far less time.

[Dark Castle]

How much I read comics for me depends on how close I am to a comic store, and if I remember to order from Amazon. Right now I haven't ordered or bought much, because fuck I spent a lot of money on music related things (albums, bonnaroo, etc) but I like to keep up with comics.

[hefdaddy42]

I stay abreast of what's happening in the comics, but I don't have the time or money to do it like I used to.

[Jaq]

Anyone who thinks we will have a female Thor in the comics when Avengers 2 comes out hasn't read comics-particularly Marvel Comics-for years. Marvel's been doing status quo changes with their characters that revert when a movie is about to come out for years, going back to when they "killed" Captain America and replaced him with Bucky, only to bring him back around the time the first Cap movie came back. Anyone remember how Doctor Octopus had taken over Spider-Man's body and Peter Parker was really, truly, welp yes he's dead only to revert to the status quo when Amazing Spider-Man 2 came out?

This and Sam Wilson becoming Cap is business as usual for comics. And they wonder why people who watch the movies don't flock to the comics. It's because the comics are frigging unrecognizable to them.

[Dimitrius]

I stay abreast of what's happening in the comics, but I don't have the time or money to do it like I used to.

It's funny cuz Thor has breasts now.

[MetalJunkie]

I stay abreast of what's happening in the comics, but I don't have the time or money to do it like I used to.

It's funny cuz Thor has breasts now.

Son of a bitch stole my line.

[MetalJunkie]

So my mom had a good question about Thor. Why couldn't they just rebuild the rainbow bridge? I'm sure a good reason exists; I'm just not aware of it. I mean, Loki flat-out said "You'll never see her again!" implying that it couldn't be rebuilt.

[Jaffa]

Anyone who hasn't seen The Avengers or Thor 2 might want to skip this, as it could contain a bit of a spoiler. 












Last panel: 'Retrieve the Tesseract at all costs.  Only with its power can we rebuild the Bifrost...'  Enter Avengers.  Enter Thor 2. 

They could have explained this better in the films themselves, though. 

[BlackInk]

Yeah, Thor suddenly being back on Earth would have been an 85% more believable convenience had they used any of that dialogue in the Avengers movie.

[ariich]

Relevant to recent discussions: https://www.theonion.com/articles/marvel-reimagines-green-goblin-as-lefthanded,36507/

[BlackInk]

Those damned bastards, undermining the holy right-hand suprimacy!

[hefdaddy42]

They could have explained this better in the films themselves, though.

They gave a nod to it.  Loki asked Thor how much dark energy Odin had to harness to send him there.

[Lucien]

They could have explained this better in the films themselves, though.

They gave a nod to it.  Loki asked Thor how much dark energy Odin had to harness to send him there.

[bosk1]

They could have explained this better in the films themselves, though.

They gave a nod to it.  Loki asked Thor how much dark energy Odin had to harness to send him there.

Good catch.  I missed that.  But that being said, the fact that it could so easily be missed kinda supports that it was a fairly useless bit of dialog without some additional context.  A very short dialog along the lines of what was in that storyboard would have explained it brilliantly instead of leaving what looks like a plot hole. 

But then again, they probably figured they didn't need to, since the vast majority of viewers either wouldn't care that there was an apparent minor plot hole or wouldn't even notice to begin with.  I fit into the former category.  Noticed it, but didn't really care because it was minor and could easily be explained away by any number of scenarios Marvel could come up with.

[BlackInk]

Good catch.  I missed that. ...  I fit into the former category.  Noticed it

I is confused.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

He noticed the plothole, but not the bit of dialogue that served to fill it.

[BlackInk]

I am on brain again.

[hefdaddy42]

They could have explained this better in the films themselves, though.

They gave a nod to it.  Loki asked Thor how much dark energy Odin had to harness to send him there.

Good catch. 

Well, I've seen the movie probably 40 times, so if I hadn't caught it by now, I should be kicked in the face.

[Dimitrius]

*kicks hef in the face*

[Zook]

*also kicks hef in the face*