Author Topic: Kids are banned (Read 7520 times)

Dublagent66 · « **on:** July 12, 2011, 04:24:50 PM »

I've also heard about some airlines maybe wanting to do something like this. I think it's brilliant and long overdue. They should think about doing this in movie theaters too. People don't seem to realize that noise is a pollutant. If people don't want 2nd hand smoke in their establishments, then it's perfectly logical that they don't want to hear screaming kids either.

Your thoughts?

https://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/restaurant-bans-kids-under-6-discrimination-or-smart-move-2509487/

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At McDain's Restaurant, in Monroeville, Pennsylvania, kids don't eat free. And starting next week, they don't get to eat at all. Mike Vuick, owner of the Pittsburgh area eatery has just announced a ban on children under 6 at his casual dining establishment.

After receiving noise complaints from customers about crying kids at neighboring tables, Vuick decided to institute the policy, which will go into effect July 16.

In an email to customers, Vuick explained: "We feel that McDain's is not a place for young children. Their volume can't be controlled and many, many times, they have disturbed other customers."

The owner of the "upscale, casual and quiet" restaurant explains to WTAE Local News, he's got nothing against kids in general, but their endless screams at public dinner tables are "the height of being impolite and selfish."

Last year, North Carolina's Olde Salty restaurant made a similar decision. Owner Brenda Armes posted a sign that read "Screaming children will not be tolerated", making it clear to parents when their kids scream, they'll be asked to take it outside. Armes said the move has boosted business, and Vuick is confident his ban will benefit McDain's as well.

But not everyone is on board. Some Monroeville locals are offended that they're being singled out for having young kids, and pointing fingers at noisy adults.

"If they're so concerned about noise, what do they plan to do about the loud people at the bar?" asks one local resident.

It's not illegal to ban kids from eating establishments, but some parents consider the move discriminatory, and potentially a violation of rights for certain special needs kids. What do you think: are kid-free restaurants a great idea or flat-out wrong?

KevShmev · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2011, 04:26:53 PM »

I like it. Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to eat there.

Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUIA4J5Frjo

Dublagent66 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2011, 04:32:31 PM »

Good one. I like it.

orcus116 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 12, 2011, 04:45:13 PM »

I approve of this. I was at a really nice steakhouse with my parents for my birthday and I could barely enjoy half of it because of an infant screaming throughout parts of the meal.

Elsydeon · « **Reply #4 on:** July 12, 2011, 04:54:30 PM »

That's right! Kids belong in school... all the time. Me and my friend came up with a rule for kids. They should be in school from 8am to 5pm. from 5 to 10 they should be working. then they can sleep.

PetFish · « **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:13:24 PM »

I'm for it. So what if a few places say no kids? For every one of those there are 150 other places to go eat. Businesses have the rite to refuse service so how is this any different? I vote yes.

Cool Chris · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:21:26 PM »

KevShmev watches 'Sex in the City?'

Read about this, no real complaints. No lawyers have started up a discriminatory lawsuit against them yet?

KevShmev · « **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:23:57 PM »

Quote from: Cool Chris on July 12, 2011, 05:21:26 PM

KevShmev watches 'Sex in the City?'

I used to. And why not? It was a funny show!

PlaysLikeMyung · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:38:23 PM »

I like this idea. A lot.

lonestar · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:40:42 PM »

Wouldn't mind having this done in my place,but alas, it won't happen.

Aramatheis · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:42:29 PM »

Sounds like a very nice idea, but obviously, the main drawback is that you lose the business of young families.
But, if you're a high class, fancy-dancy restaurant, this poses no significant damage.

SPNKr · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:44:29 PM »

Quote from: PlaysLikeMyung on July 12, 2011, 05:38:23 PM

I like this idea. A lot.

This.

Not a problem for me, but if it does happen then make this law happen.

LeeHarveyKennedy · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:59:34 PM »

Quote from: Cool Chris on July 12, 2011, 05:21:26 PM

KevShmev watches 'Sex in the City?'

Read about this, no real complaints. No lawyers have started up a discriminatory lawsuit against them yet?

Kids aren't a protected group the same way seniors or minorities are.

Anyway, I'm torn on this. On the one hand, it makes children unhappy, which I'm all for, but on the other hand, people are going to be able to enjoy pleasant nights out without being tormented by crotch spawn, and the thought of that just gets my blood a-boilin'.

GuineaPig · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2011, 06:22:44 PM »

I came into this thread expecting to find that DTF has officially had enough of Numbers.

wolfking · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2011, 06:24:53 PM »

I fully approve of this.

Ravenheart · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2011, 06:30:11 PM »

Quote from: LeeHarveyKennedy on July 12, 2011, 05:59:34 PM

Quote from: Cool Chris on July 12, 2011, 05:21:26 PM
KevShmev watches 'Sex in the City?'

Read about this, no real complaints. No lawyers have started up a discriminatory lawsuit against them yet?

Kids aren't a protected group the same way seniors or minorities are.

Anyway, I'm torn on this. On the one hand, it makes children unhappy, which I'm all for, but on the other hand, people are going to be able to enjoy pleasant nights out without being tormented by crotch spawn, and the thought of that just gets my blood a-boilin'.

Look at this as an opportunity to mimic the behavior of said crotch spawn. It'll be like the good ole days, and children will still be unhappy. Everyone wins.

Gadough · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2011, 06:33:09 PM »

Quote from: lonestar on July 12, 2011, 05:40:42 PM

Wouldn't mind having this done in my place,but alas, it won't happen.

Isn't your place a hotel restaurant? A "no kids allowed" hotel would be pretty unreasona....actually, that would be the greatest hotel ever. No little shits running up and down the hall screaming. Petition your boss.

Dr. DTVT · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2011, 06:38:08 PM »

As someone who has actually eaten at McDain's, I agree with the policy. Even if I was a parent with a 6 or under kid I'd approve of this. It's not super high end, but it's still a nicer than average establishment, even with the on-site driving range. The kind of place you'd take your girlfriend/wife for a date, not family dinner. They got a place for that in Pittsburgh - it's called Eat N' Park.

axeman90210 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 12, 2011, 06:47:29 PM »

Quote from: Gadough on July 12, 2011, 06:33:09 PM

Quote from: lonestar on July 12, 2011, 05:40:42 PM
Wouldn't mind having this done in my place,but alas, it won't happen.

Isn't your place a hotel restaurant? A "no kids allowed" hotel would be pretty unreasona....actually, that would be the greatest hotel ever. No little shits running up and down the hall screaming. Petition your boss.

I think the Bellagio in Las Vegas is 18 (or 21) and over only... that place sounds magical

tri.ad · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:43:15 AM »

I'm totally in favour of this. Constantly screaming kids in restaurants are the stuff of nightmares (only screaming kids on trains or planes are worse).

lordxizor · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:28:04 AM »

I have no problem with higher end restaurants doing this. There's no reason for kids to go there anyway.

If airlines institute this I will be pissed though. What would you do if you have kids, drive everywhere?

wkiml · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2011, 07:08:20 AM »

Quote from: lordxizor on July 13, 2011, 06:28:04 AM

I have no problem with higher end restaurants doing this. There's no reason for kids to go there anyway.

If airlines institute this I will be pissed though. What would you do if you have kids, drive everywhere?

To a point I wish airlines would enforce some sort of rule ..the last 3 trips to Florida were terrible flights with screaming unruly children . The parents should be held responsible, if you can't train your children to act a certain way in public than you should be held responsible for their conduct. I had 2 kids probably about 6 and 8 fight the entire flight over who would get the window seat, while dad hid behind a newspaper and mom did nothing about it. When I asked the attendant to say something to the parents, she said its against regulations to impose the parents to control their brats

jingle.boy · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2011, 07:18:35 AM »

Wow... I'm pretty shocked at the seemingly universal support of this. First, I see the point and basis behind the decision. On the flip side, how is this anything other than age descrimination? And I'm taking this to the extreme here, but I don't see it much different than any other kind of discrimination - sex, sexual orientation, race, religion etc...

Quote from: Dublagent66 on July 12, 2011, 04:24:50 PM

I've also heard about some airlines maybe wanting to do something like this. I think it's brilliant and long overdue. They should think about doing this in movie theaters too. People don't seem to realize that noise is a pollutant. If people don't want 2nd hand smoke in their establishments, then it's perfectly logical that they don't want to hear screaming kids either.Your thoughts?

That's a helluva stretch. 2nd hand smoke is a health issue. Screaming children doesn't make you go deaf or anything.

Quote from: KevShmev on July 12, 2011, 04:26:53 PM

I like it. Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to eat there.

You're right ... That would include the adults that don't want to be around children. Look, if the owners really wanted to eliminate families/children, then create an environment and menu that discourages it. End of story. Chose who your target market is, and create an establishment that accomplishes that goal.

Nekov · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2011, 07:42:17 AM »

If it's a restaurant then I think it's OK. They have the right to decide who goes in and who doesn't. As far as airlines, that doesn't work there. I get that kids might be annoying, but if someone has a kid that means they are not able to travel? And don't tell me they can always use a car because unless you have a Mach 5, going from Europe to US is quite impossible. I don't think there is a good solution for kids in a plane. Even if they're parents try to do something about it, they are kids and normally do whatever they feel like.

Global Laziness · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2011, 07:50:21 AM »

Pssh it's been done:

yorost · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2011, 07:59:36 AM »

Quote from: Nekov on July 13, 2011, 07:42:17 AM

If it's a restaurant then I think it's OK. They have the right to decide who goes in and who doesn't.

Not true, they don't have a legal right to deny service for certain broad terms. Denying service based on race or religion will get them in deep trouble.

Nekov · « **Reply #26 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:07:42 AM »

Quote from: yorost on July 13, 2011, 07:59:36 AM

Quote from: Nekov on July 13, 2011, 07:42:17 AM
If it's a restaurant then I think it's OK. They have the right to decide who goes in and who doesn't.
Not true, they don't have a legal right to deny service for certain broad terms. Denying service based on race or religion will get them in deep trouble.

Where I live the restaurants can decide whether someone is allowed or not. I thought it worked the same in other places as well. Sorry for my ignorance.

yorost · « **Reply #27 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:14:46 AM »

If you're curious why we don't allow broad denial of service in the US look up Jim Crow laws or the civil rights movements from 50 years ago.

Now, that's not really the whole picture, since some things might be considered acceptable to deny broadly. I'm just saying they don't have complete control over who they offer service.

bosk1 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:28:01 AM »

There's nothing illegal about being a jerk. The restaurant owner is within his rights; pretty much end of story.

But I know if this rule were implemented in anyplace I frequent, unless it were really a high-end place where an adults-only rule made sense, I would put the restaurant on my ban list, whether I had the kids with me or not.

yorost · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:33:23 AM »

Quote from: bosk1 on July 13, 2011, 08:28:01 AM

There's nothing illegal about being a jerk. The restaurant owner is within his rights; pretty much end of story.

They aren't banning jerks.

I didn't say he wasn't within his legal rights since I really don't know. I was just pointing out to Nekov that businesses don't really have complete control on who they can deny service.

chknptpie · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:35:52 AM »

I'm perfectly fine with this. If you want to put an age limit on your business, feel free. If people can't control their children, then rules will control the children for them.

Nekov · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:40:09 AM »

Quote from: yorost on July 13, 2011, 08:33:23 AM

Quote from: bosk1 on July 13, 2011, 08:28:01 AM
There's nothing illegal about being a jerk. The restaurant owner is within his rights; pretty much end of story.
They aren't banning jerks.

I didn't say he wasn't within his legal rights since I really don't know. I was just pointing out to Nekov that businesses don't really have complete control on who they can deny service.

Bosk, being that you are a lawyer can you explain how this works? Unless Pokemon laws are different than ours

bosk1 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:40:51 AM »

What do you mean?

chrisbDTM · « **Reply #33 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:41:23 AM »

not a big deal

and cant put it much better than this:

Quote from: chknptpie on July 13, 2011, 08:35:52 AM

I'm perfectly fine with this. If you want to put an age limit on your business, feel free. If people can't control their children, then rules will control the children for them.

yorost · « **Reply #34 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:48:32 AM »

Quote from: chrisbDTM on July 13, 2011, 08:41:23 AM

and cant put it much better than this:
Quote from: chknptpie on July 13, 2011, 08:35:52 AM
I'm perfectly fine with this. If you want to put an age limit on your business, feel free. If people can't control their children, then rules will control the children for them.

This punishes parents that can control their,children though.

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Author Topic: Kids are banned (Read 7520 times)