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I Need to Learn About Stocks
« on: July 09, 2011, 08:29:02 AM »
After this summer, I am going to have a little money lying around. I'm thinking it may be a good time to try investing in some stock, but the problem is, I don't know anything about stocks.

Is there any advice anyone can give me? Anything you would recommend for a beginner? Good books to read? Should I consider any minors at school that would help me?

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 08:31:39 AM »
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Re: I Need to Learn About Stocks
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 08:46:11 AM »
Well I can write a lot of about stock investing and currency investing since I currency trade for living.

Couple questions:

- How much time do you want to invest in this?
- About how much money are you looking to invest?
- What are you goals with this money? Is it throw away money that you want to experiment with?

I'll through my books and see if I can recommend a couple.

If you want you can also pm me, or hit me up on Skype, ReaperKK (real name is Karolis K).

I also started an investment thread, do a search on the forum.

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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 09:56:54 AM »
Close personal friend of mine, Jack used to invest heavily in bovine, switched it up and got into beans. His profits went through the clouds. Quite the tale.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2011, 11:19:38 AM »
Since ReaperKK trades for a living his experience would be more helpful than my pathetic business major education by comparison.  :lol  Few basic things though that I'm not sure if you know:

-Stock market is typically a high-risk, high-reward platform.  Be prepared for the likelihood of losing money. 
-Diversify diversify diversify.  It typically means less risk for you, which is what people generally want when they invest. 
-Pay attention to business journals.  See what companies are doing, no matter how small they are (long as they're traded, of course).  If someone's coming out with a new competitive advantage and you think it has potential, buy some shares and see what happens.
-Past performance does not guarantee future results.  However, that doesn't mean stock prices can't be subject to seasonal trends.  Kind of goes along with the research tip. 
-Look up a company's financial statements (Balance Sheet and Income Statement) before you buy.  There's a lot of information in those two documents, which you can form your own conclusions on based on further research (see, its important).  Ask yourself "why?" if something doesn't sit right with you, like "why the heck does Apple have a gajillion dollars in Retained Earnings that they're not doing anything with?"
-6% ROI is a good goal to shoot for. 

Yeah, just some basics from me.  Don't know any books, sorry.  Good for you for learning about the Market before just plunging head-first.

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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2011, 11:23:09 AM »
Put your money in apple and make a lot of money. I sold my apple stock like a dummy at 110. It's now at 350. Bought it again at 320 and holding until 600 probably. The second half sales this year of iPads and iPhone 5s along with macs are going to be sick. Plus they have 80 billion in cash just sitting there. I used to day trade but this is much easier.

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2011, 11:26:25 AM »
The big problem with Apple is that they aren't doing anything with all that cash.  They say its for acquisitions, but they could buy any company they wanted by now!  Maybe you'll get some dividends if enough stockholders get annoyed about it though.

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Re: I Need to Learn About Stocks
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2011, 02:33:51 PM »
Put your money in apple and make a lot of money. I sold my apple stock like a dummy at 110. It's now at 350. Bought it again at 320 and holding until 600 probably. The second half sales this year of iPads and iPhone 5s along with macs are going to be sick. Plus they have 80 billion in cash just sitting there. I used to day trade but this is much easier.

Get ready to short sell when SJ kicks the bucket.

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2011, 05:48:24 PM »
Don't speak such things!

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 06:44:41 PM »
Trust me on it, make sure you diversify!

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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2011, 12:28:12 PM »
In this economy, you're better off staying away from stocks.  Save your money and put it in places like that give the highest interest.
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Re: I Need to Learn About Stocks
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2011, 12:33:00 PM »
I know next to nothing about stocks. Would they be worth my time if I only had a couple thousand to invest?
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Re: I Need to Learn About Stocks
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2011, 12:37:38 PM »
In this economy, you're better off staying away from stocks.  Save your money and put it in places like that give the highest interest.

Yeah like apple. Tell me on thing i can put my money that gives me this amount of annual increase. No bank in the world can do that. There are other companies as well but over the past few years Apple has been the stock that's a lock for long term investing.

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2011, 12:39:37 PM »
I know next to nothing about stocks. Would they be worth my time if I only had a couple thousand to invest?

WEll it depends. You'll probably have to put it in more risky stocks to get a return you'll be happy with. You can always try penny stocks! I did when i started out but it was way to much stress. I just decided to go long on one company that i believed it. Put in a stop at a price i was comfortable at and leave it alone.

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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2011, 08:46:29 AM »
I know next to nothing about stocks. Would they be worth my time if I only had a couple thousand to invest?

Take $500 of that money and start investing in some penny stocks and learning the ropes.

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Re: I Need to Learn About Stocks
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2011, 07:09:07 AM »
came across this. VERY interesting!


This Fall, Apple Has A Shot At Becoming The Most Valuable Company In The World | TechCrunch

In January, we noted that Apple surged past an amazing $300 billion market cap, making them by far the most valuable tech company in the world. In fact, the valuation made them the second most valuable company in the world period. But at the same time, we noted that it would likely be pretty hard for them to catch number one: Exxon.

At the time, Exxon was roughly $75 billion ahead of Apple. And in the following months, while Apple’s stock began to stagnate a bit, Exxon’s kept rising, pushing their value way past $400 billion. But in recent months, Exxon’s stock has also begun to stagnate. Meanwhile, in the past few weeks, Apple’s stock is like a rocket once again. Today, the stock closed a new all-time high, just under $375 a share, as 9to5 Mac points out. And it’s trading even higher in the after-hours market, as anticipation builds for Apple’s latest quarterly earnings tomorrow.

Apple’s market cap is now just under $350 billion. Meanwhile, Exxon’s cap is just under $410 billion. With momentum once again, Apple is gaining ground. And if, as expected, Apple’s beats the Street again tomorrow, the stock should go even higher — after stellar earnings last week, Google’s stock added about $20 billion in value. This all points to Apple having a very real shot at becoming the most valuable public company in the world in the fall.

Obviously, there are a lot of variables at play here. For one thing, who knows what will happen in the oil industry. The summer driving season will be winding down, but any number of things can cause gas prices to still fluctuate either way, and that will obviously have an impact on Exxon’s stock price. But let’s assume for the sake of this argument that Exxon’s stock remains roughly flat, as it has been the past several months. And their market cap remains around $400 billion.

If Apple does indeed announce good numbers tomorrow, their market cap will almost for sure go shooting right past $350 billion. (Though, any small miss or weak guidance could easily send the numbers the other way as well.) Regardless, tomorrow isn’t actually that important. More important is the coming weeks and months.

First and foremost, Apple will release their next operating system, OS X Lion, shortly. Promised before the end of July, rumors have it appearing this week. Alongside that, rumors also have new MacBook Airs appearing. Considering that the majority of Macs that Apple now sells are notebooks, this should mean big business for them in the coming quarter.

More importantly, Apple is also widely believed to be preparing a new iPhone, for release this fall alongside iOS 5. There’s still some arguments as to whether this will be an “iPhone 4S” or an “iPhone 5″, but regardless, it’s going to sell a massive amount of units. It will be the first time that Apple releases a new device on both AT&T’s and Verizon’s networks at the same time. And there are whispers that at least one of the other major U.S. carriers — Sprint or T-Mobile — could be added as well (assuming, of course, that AT&T and T-Mobile don’t merge before then).

There’s also talk of Apple preparing a cheaper version of the iPhone that would be sold around the world without contract. This pre-paid iPhone would mean less in the U.S. where carrier subsidization rules, but worldwide, where pre-paid is huge, this could mean more big business.

Then there’s the talk of Apple partnering with China Mobile for the iPhone, as The Wall Street Journal details today. As the largest carrier in China, China Mobile offers up, oh, 600 million potential new customers. For Apple’s bottom line, such access could be a real game-changer. But again, the Chinese market is different. And the iPhone will be a very expensive buy for many (it has been sold through China’s number two carrier, China Unicom, for a couple years).

Then there are the wildcards.

We had heard several months ago that Apple was lining things up for a “big fall surprise“. We were later told that would be a new version of the iPad. More details have trickled out since then, including a lot of talk of it being an iPad with a “Retina” display. We haven’t heard too much recently, but the latest word was that supply constraints may have delayed the device for a couple of months. Still, we believe Apple is looking to release this device before the end of the year.

And considering how far ahead Apple is in the tablet space right now, a new iPad with a Retina display should really excite investors.

Apple is also undoubtedly going to hold their annual music event this fall, which should see the release of a new iPod touch (unless the cheap, pre-paid iPhone is the new iPod touch). We should hear more about iTunes in the cloud as well. And perhaps an updated Apple TV, and other new iPods (the last hurrah?).

And, of course, Apple always has the ability to surprise with something totally out of left field. All of these things should excite investors and keep the stock chugging along. And if that happens, it should only be a matter of months before Apple passes Exxon as the most valuable company in the world (again, assuming for the sake of argument, that Exxon remains stagnant).

When we predicted that Apple would pass Microsoft in value in March 2010, many people were up in arms, thinking it wouldn’t happen. It took just two months. Meanwhile, the rhetoric started that market cap really means nothing, and Microsoft still had more revenues and was far more profitable than Apple. Then they lost the revenue title. And the profitablilty title.

Apple’s market cap is now a full $120 billion higher than Microsoft’s. To look at it another way, Intel’s entire market cap is $118 billion. Or, another way, Apple is now worth more than Microsoft, HP, and Dell combined — with about $17 billion left over.

Point being, while market cap doesn’t mean everything about a company, these numbers and trends are a pretty good indicator of performance. If and when Apple becomes the most valuable company in the world, there will be a very good reason for that. And this fall is shaping up nicely for that.

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Re: I Need to Learn About Stocks
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2011, 08:36:20 AM »
You love Apple so much it's scary lol.  I'm currently really upset at Apple for their butchering of final cut pro.
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2011, 01:22:04 PM »
You love Apple so much it's scary lol.  I'm currently really upset at Apple for their butchering of final cut pro.

yeah but you gotta separate personal feelings from business when it comes to stocks. If apple wasn't doing well i wouldn't be investing in them even though i use the products.

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Re: I Need to Learn About Stocks
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2011, 01:31:29 PM »
I would never directly invest in stocks. it eventually requires you to constantly stay on top of the developments in the market segments if you really want to beat the market average.
Also, keep in mind that stocks are a bit of a zero-sum game. For somebody to win big, somebody needs to lose it. And more often than not those are the small investors.

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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2011, 08:00:17 PM »
Hit 400 in after hours. I bought at 326 4 weeks ago! :omg: :omg: :omg:

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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2011, 05:13:00 PM »
So i sold out of AAPL So i can have some money to swing and day trade with. Three days ago i made a swing trade and profited 300 bucks. I was excited because i bought at close and sold very quickly in the morning. Easy money.

Today i made a trade from 9:30 to 10:30 and made 750 bucks! Then after lunch i made a short sale and within 5 minutes i made another 250 bucks. I think i'm getting the hang of this! So much better than just holding a stock and praying it goes up.

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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2011, 11:53:34 AM »
Ok here are the last couple trades i was talking about...
ON the left you have the stock symbol. Then the amount of shares. Then the dates of purchase. The purchase price. Then the amount of money it costed to make that purchase. Then the letter representing the transaction type. S for sell and BC for buy to cover. Then the date sold or btc. The the stock price at the point. Then the amount after the transaction.



on the right are the amounts of money gained. I just got back into trading and i think i'm going to start trading a few times a week probably. But since this thread is about learning there are a couple of lessons here.

One lesson is using a trailing stop. That earned me quite a bot of money the past few days.

With the MOTR stock for example once it hit 2.25 i put a 4 cent trailing stop on it so i was guaranteed to make 6 cents (or about 170 bucks) on that trade at the LEAST. But i had a feeling it was moving up so as the stock price rises from 2.25 the stop does as well. So it must have hit 2.44 which moved my stop up to 2.40. Once it came back down it sold off at my stock price and there was a 25 cent gain there or around 750 dollars (less 20 for buying and selling fees). And for some reason eTrade sold 100 share separately at the same time.

On the NVDA trade i was watching CNBC as i do when i'm in the trading mood and they announced NVDA was going down. I quickly looked at the chart and saw the momentum was definitely down. I thought this would be a good opportunity to short the stock. Shorting is when you sell the stock before you actually buy it. So in this case i sold the stock at 12.96 first. It went down and i bought it back at 12.72. Once again using a trailing stop of 5 cents. So the low for the day was actually 12.67, it came back up, hit my stop and boom 250 bucks in a few minutes.

The apple trade i sold at the wrong time, that was a mistake. I didn't use a trailing stop there and it cost me close to 1000 dollars but at least i made around 1000. The second apple trade was a wash because i just wanted to get out of it to make my other moves.
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2011, 12:21:53 PM »
Easy money.

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 I think i'm getting the hang of this! So much better than just holding a stock and praying it goes up.

I don't know how long you've been trading but I just wanna say watch out. It all seems easy but you can get your profits nicked pretty quickly.

Also you should never be in a situation where you're praying to do anything, you trade what you see and know, once you're in the trade you should have an exit strategy.

That being said, good profits so far, keep it up! :tup

Also keep a detailed journal and make sure to protect your capitol, it's just like a business.

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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2011, 12:44:57 PM »
Easy money.

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 I think i'm getting the hang of this! So much better than just holding a stock and praying it goes up.

I don't know how long you've been trading but I just wanna say watch out. It all seems easy but you can get your profits nicked pretty quickly.

Also you should never be in a situation where you're praying to do anything, you trade what you see and know, once you're in the trade you should have an exit strategy.

That being said, good profits so far, keep it up! :tup

Also keep a detailed journal and make sure to protect your capitol, it's just like a business.

I started trading in 2007. I took a while off and learned from my mistakes. i ended up breaking even but learned a lot. Getting back into it now. My dream would be to build it up to 25k so i can day trade with 4 to 1 margin... One can dream.

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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2011, 12:47:16 PM »
I know next to nothing about stocks. Would they be worth my time if I only had a couple thousand to invest?

Take $500 of that money and start investing in some penny stocks and learning the ropes.

If you want to have multiple heart attacks per day invest in penny stocks. i tried this a while ago and it was WAY to much stress!

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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2011, 12:51:13 PM »
Easy money.

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 I think i'm getting the hang of this! So much better than just holding a stock and praying it goes up.

I don't know how long you've been trading but I just wanna say watch out. It all seems easy but you can get your profits nicked pretty quickly.

Also you should never be in a situation where you're praying to do anything, you trade what you see and know, once you're in the trade you should have an exit strategy.

I was about to say the same thing.  If you're "praying" for something to go up then you probably shouldn't have bought it :P

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2011, 01:13:43 PM »
Yeah, that's right, Barney.  This year, I invested in pumpkins.  They've been going up the whole month of October and I got a feeling they're going to peak right around January.  Then, bang!  That's when I'll cash in.
     

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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2011, 01:31:01 PM »
Easy money.

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 I think i'm getting the hang of this! So much better than just holding a stock and praying it goes up.

I don't know how long you've been trading but I just wanna say watch out. It all seems easy but you can get your profits nicked pretty quickly.

Also you should never be in a situation where you're praying to do anything, you trade what you see and know, once you're in the trade you should have an exit strategy.

That being said, good profits so far, keep it up! :tup

Also keep a detailed journal and make sure to protect your capitol, it's just like a business.

I started trading in 2007. I took a while off and learned from my mistakes. i ended up breaking even but learned a lot. Getting back into it now. My dream would be to build it up to 25k so i can day trade with 4 to 1 margin... One can dream.

It can happen and it has before, I've built up quite a nice income from next to nothing from trading, it's taken a lot of time though, there were times where I was researching and trading 60 hours a week.

I know next to nothing about stocks. Would they be worth my time if I only had a couple thousand to invest?

Take $500 of that money and start investing in some penny stocks and learning the ropes.

If you want to have multiple heart attacks per day invest in penny stocks. i tried this a while ago and it was WAY to much stress!

Good money can be made from penny stocks, you just have to know the market you're trading in. While I personally trade stocks, the meat and potatoes of my income comes from trading currencies.


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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2011, 06:15:07 PM »
Easy money.

.......

 I think i'm getting the hang of this! So much better than just holding a stock and praying it goes up.

I don't know how long you've been trading but I just wanna say watch out. It all seems easy but you can get your profits nicked pretty quickly.

Also you should never be in a situation where you're praying to do anything, you trade what you see and know, once you're in the trade you should have an exit strategy.

That being said, good profits so far, keep it up! :tup

Also keep a detailed journal and make sure to protect your capitol, it's just like a business.

I started trading in 2007. I took a while off and learned from my mistakes. i ended up breaking even but learned a lot. Getting back into it now. My dream would be to build it up to 25k so i can day trade with 4 to 1 margin... One can dream.

It can happen and it has before, I've built up quite a nice income from next to nothing from trading, it's taken a lot of time though, there were times where I was researching and trading 60 hours a week.

I know next to nothing about stocks. Would they be worth my time if I only had a couple thousand to invest?

Take $500 of that money and start investing in some penny stocks and learning the ropes.

If you want to have multiple heart attacks per day invest in penny stocks. i tried this a while ago and it was WAY to much stress!

Good money can be made from penny stocks, you just have to know the market you're trading in. While I personally trade stocks, the meat and potatoes of my income comes from trading currencies.



How did you learn how to trade currencies? IS there a book you recommend? I am interested in this big time.

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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2011, 06:23:56 PM »
So the stock i am watching on monday (or tuesday depending on the market status on monday) is MOTR. I made 750 on this friday morning and that was only with 3000 shares. Thinking of buying 8000 shares as soon as i think it's the right time because it has crazy potential to go up and by a lot. 8000 shares would be all of money plus all of my margin. It's been moving around 30 cents a day. A 30 cent move would be a 2400 profit. I would short it if it was a down day but eTrade would't fucking let me and i don't know why. I hate that etrade limits what i can't short and what i can.

MOTR was JUST at 8 dollars and now it's 2. It's way over sold and even if it moves back to 4 dollars, which is half of where is just was..... That's a shit load of money. Me, i'm just trying to make 10 cents and see where it goes!

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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2011, 06:26:39 PM »
granted I'm not familiar with day trading strategies, but I can't imagine dumping all of your money plus your margin into one move is even close to a good idea. Should go up and will go up don't always line up.
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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2011, 06:35:46 PM »
granted I'm not familiar with day trading strategies, but I can't imagine dumping all of your money plus your margin into one move is even close to a good idea. Should go up and will go up don't always line up.

Well i'm talking about 10 to 20 minute moves with a protective stop.

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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2011, 08:12:02 PM »
How did you learn how to trade currencies? IS there a book you recommend? I am interested in this big time.

Mainly from practice and losing money. When I first started I spent easily over 50 hours a week just practicing, I'd always have charts up, always reading what I could get my hands on. I had a buddy who was a finance masters at the university I went to and he and I would always talk to trading so I really just absorbed myself into it.

There are a few books I can recommend but not off the top of my head, I'll make sure to post a few recommendations in the morning. Since you're familiar with stock trading you should just mainly focus on the charting of currencies and really decide what type of trading style fits you as a trader.

granted I'm not familiar with day trading strategies, but I can't imagine dumping all of your money plus your margin into one move is even close to a good idea. Should go up and will go up don't always line up.

I kinda gotta agree with axemen here. I don't know what your R:R is per trade and I don't know what percentage of capitol you're risking per trade but I'd be careful. Money management is the key to a successful trader, no matter what they're trading.

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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2011, 08:58:10 PM »
How did you learn how to trade currencies? IS there a book you recommend? I am interested in this big time.

Mainly from practice and losing money. When I first started I spent easily over 50 hours a week just practicing, I'd always have charts up, always reading what I could get my hands on. I had a buddy who was a finance masters at the university I went to and he and I would always talk to trading so I really just absorbed myself into it.

There are a few books I can recommend but not off the top of my head, I'll make sure to post a few recommendations in the morning. Since you're familiar with stock trading you should just mainly focus on the charting of currencies and really decide what type of trading style fits you as a trader.

granted I'm not familiar with day trading strategies, but I can't imagine dumping all of your money plus your margin into one move is even close to a good idea. Should go up and will go up don't always line up.

I kinda gotta agree with axemen here. I don't know what your R:R is per trade and I don't know what percentage of capitol you're risking per trade but I'd be careful. Money management is the key to a successful trader, no matter what they're trading.

I watched some videos on trading futures and it looks awesome. No day trading rules and round the clock trading. But it seems very confusing considering i know nothing about it. So any books you can recommend i would really appreciate. Thank you!

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Re: I Need to Learn About Stocks
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2011, 09:21:59 PM »
Close personal friend of mine, Jack used to invest heavily in bovine, switched it up and got into beans. His profits went through the clouds. Quite the tale.

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