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Re: Systematic Chaos getting better, Black Clouds getting worse
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2011, 10:03:25 PM »
I don't care what anyone says or thinks, I honestly enjoy A Rite of Passage. I do not understand its bad reputation here.  I love the chorus especially, and the instrumental section.  The lyrics are cool too.  Do people just not like it because it is actually sort of "catchy"? 

Also, SC > BC&SL for me, as a whole.  I only really listen to the opener and closer of BC&SL, with an occasional AROP.
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« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2011, 10:34:17 PM »
I don't care what anyone says or thinks, I honestly enjoy A Rite of Passage. I do not understand its bad reputation here.  I love the chorus especially, and the instrumental section.  The lyrics are cool too.  Do people just not like it because it is actually sort of "catchy"? 

Also, SC > BC&SL for me, as a whole.  I only really listen to the opener and closer of BC&SL, with an occasional AROP.
Nah, if anything, most people agree that the chorus is epic, and the verses are passable.  It's the use of a single riff over 8 minutes, on top of a melody-lacking instrumental section that turn people away.
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Re: Systematic Chaos getting better, Black Clouds getting worse
« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2011, 10:37:46 PM »
I still think A Rite Of Passage is an awesome song. But if we're comparing Black Clouds to Systematic Chaos, I still prefer Constant Motion and Forsaken over Rite of Passage.
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« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2011, 10:38:49 PM »
I don't care what anyone says or thinks, I honestly enjoy A Rite of Passage. I do not understand its bad reputation here.  I love the chorus especially, and the instrumental section.  The lyrics are cool too.  Do people just not like it because it is actually sort of "catchy"? 

Also, SC > BC&SL for me, as a whole.  I only really listen to the opener and closer of BC&SL, with an occasional AROP.
Nah, if anything, most people agree that the chorus is epic, and the verses are passable.  It's the use of a single riff over 8 minutes, on top of a melody-lacking instrumental section that turn people away.

Interesting - I guess a good guitar riff can be repeated without me caring, because I never thought about it as being repetitive.  I suppose that's because I enjoy it!  :-)

I always liked the instrumental section, despite the general lack of melody.  Oh well, to each his own!
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« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2011, 10:41:32 PM »
I think AROP is a cool song, very good chorus.

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« Reply #75 on: July 09, 2011, 02:05:22 PM »
Speaking of SC, did anyone listen to the 5.1 Surround Sound version. I actually think it makes the album that much more rocking. It has a lot of double bass and actually when you listen to it on Surround Sound, JM cuts through and has some amazing lines.
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Re: Systematic Chaos getting better, Black Clouds getting worse
« Reply #76 on: July 09, 2011, 02:24:58 PM »
BC&SL is still better.
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Re: Systematic Chaos getting better, Black Clouds getting worse
« Reply #77 on: July 09, 2011, 03:24:16 PM »
Speaking of SC, did anyone listen to the 5.1 Surround Sound version. I actually think it makes the album that much more rocking. It has a lot of double bass and actually when you listen to it on Surround Sound, JM cuts through and has some amazing lines.
I listened to it once at my friend's place. I remember it being pretty damn awesome, but it's been so long... I really need to get my own surround sound system.
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« Reply #78 on: July 09, 2011, 04:27:35 PM »
I listened to it once too. It was pretty good as usual. It pisses me of that it's gone and I can't find it anymore.

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Re: Systematic Chaos getting better, Black Clouds getting worse
« Reply #79 on: July 09, 2011, 04:29:55 PM »
I listened to it once too. It was pretty good as usual. It pisses me of that it's gone and I can't find it anymore.
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Re: Systematic Chaos getting better, Black Clouds getting worse
« Reply #80 on: July 09, 2011, 05:06:39 PM »
I find BC to be rather weak in terms of DT standards, but a good album, nonetheless.  Meanwhile, I'd say that SC is a very fun album and among my favorite albums by any band to come out in the 00s.  In the grand scheme of things, though, I prefer Octovarium over either.

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Re: Systematic Chaos getting better, Black Clouds getting worse
« Reply #81 on: July 09, 2011, 05:27:53 PM »
Speaking of SC, did anyone listen to the 5.1 Surround Sound version. I actually think it makes the album that much more rocking. It has a lot of double bass and actually when you listen to it on Surround Sound, JM cuts through and has some amazing lines.
I would love to.  I did a long time ago, but my parents were home so I couldn't blast it or anything.
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Re: Systematic Chaos getting better, Black Clouds getting worse
« Reply #82 on: July 09, 2011, 08:59:30 PM »
Speaking of SC, did anyone listen to the 5.1 Surround Sound version. I actually think it makes the album that much more rocking. It has a lot of double bass and actually when you listen to it on Surround Sound, JM cuts through and has some amazing lines.

This makes SC go from great to incredible!  On a proper system, this is absolutely mindblowing!  I wish they did this on EVERY album!
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Re: Systematic Chaos getting better, Black Clouds getting worse
« Reply #83 on: July 10, 2011, 01:48:10 PM »
Agree with OP.  Systematic Chaos hasn't necessarily gotten better to me, but man has BC&SL gotten worse.  I LOVED it at first.  I remember when ANTR gave me chills from a DT song for the first time in many years...and I had that big "DT is back!!!" moment...   ;D

But yea that didn't last too long.  At it's best, BC&SL has DT all time great album potential.  However, there's just too much underwhelming/filler moments IMO...

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Re: Systematic Chaos getting better, Black Clouds getting worse
« Reply #84 on: July 12, 2011, 03:12:15 AM »
I listened to it once too. It was pretty good as usual. It pisses me of that it's gone and I can't find it anymore.

some one took mine out of the dvd player and misplaced it : /
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