Star Wars Discussion Thread v. Rogue One

[ozzy554]

He caught lightning in a bottle with Episode IV.  Others made V and VI what they were, in spite of Lucas... not because of him.  Then, he completely controlled (and had the money to) the PT movies, and just did what he wanted.

@ Bosk... that's already a better screenplay for the PT than what Lucas delivered.

George Lucas is a good idea man. He just needs a filter to put those ideas through, because if he's the only one in charge you get Jar Jar.

[Kotowboy]

" Jar Jar is the key to all this. If we can make Jar Jar work. He's a funnier character than we've had before "


- George Lucas.

[gmillerdrake]

He caught lightning in a bottle with Episode IV.  Others made V and VI what they were, in spite of Lucas... not because of him.  Then, he completely controlled (and had the money to) the PT movies, and just did what he wanted.

@ Bosk... that's already a better screenplay for the PT than what Lucas delivered.

George Lucas is a good idea man. He just needs a filter to put those ideas through, because if he's the only one in charge you get Jar Jar.

I'd sign off on that.

[gmillerdrake]

Oh, and.....count me in as one of the people who have now fell for and am buying the idea of Kylo Ren being Luke Skywalker. Reading these 'fan theories' about it....it all 'makes sense' and the more I think about it the more I believe it and think that it'd be cool.....

[kaos2900]

Luke is not Kylo Ren. Look and the numerous trailers where Kylo is approaching Finn. His helmet is off and you can see his long black hair blowing in the wind. Adam Driver is not Luke.

[Kotowboy]

Luke is not Kylo Ren. Look and the numerous trailers where Kylo is approaching Finn. His helmet is off and you can see his long black hair blowing in the wind. Adam Driver is not Luke.

This. There's a publicity shot of Kylo Ren with no helmet on and it's not Mark Hamill.


In the Red Letter Media predictions video - they basically show an Island off Ireland which exactly matches some leaked shots of Mark Hamill on Obi Wan Robes. They guessed he is in hiding.

[kaos2900]

Also wanted to agree about Lucas having good ideas but needed a filter for the prequels. It also sounds like he has viewed Episode VII and "Really liked it".

[gmillerdrake]

Luke is not Kylo Ren. Look and the numerous trailers where Kylo is approaching Finn. His helmet is off and you can see his long black hair blowing in the wind. Adam Driver is not Luke.

This. There's a publicity shot of Kylo Ren with no helmet on and it's not Mark Hamill.


In the Red Letter Media predictions video - they basically show an Island off Ireland which exactly matches some leaked shots of Mark Hamill on Obi Wan Robes. They guessed he is in hiding.

These are all distractions from the dark side.....








 

[Kotowboy]

AKA the SW fanbois.

[Zantera]

I wouldn't call myself a hardcore Star Wars fan by any stretch (I love the original trilogy, hate the prequels, have watched some Rebels, played some SWTOR, but apart from that I haven't read the comics, books, played any of the other games) but it's interesting to see all these weird theories like Luke being Kylo Ren when it was confirmed maybe a year ago that Kylo Ren would be played by Adam Driver, who is most likely the son of Leia/Han.

[BlobVanDam]

Oh, and.....count me in as one of the people who have now fell for and am buying the idea of Kylo Ren being Luke Skywalker. Reading these 'fan theories' about it....it all 'makes sense' and the more I think about it the more I believe it and think that it'd be cool.....

No.

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

Also wanted to agree about Lucas having good ideas but needed a filter for the prequels. It also sounds like he has viewed Episode VII and "Really liked it".

Yea I saw an article a couple of days ago that Lucas had seen it and he really liked it.

Here it is: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/george-lucas-attend-star-wars-845948

[Lucien]

Oh, and.....count me in as one of the people who have now fell for and am buying the idea of Kylo Ren being Luke Skywalker. Reading these 'fan theories' about it....it all 'makes sense' and the more I think about it the more I believe it and think that it'd be cool.....

No.

This is Kylo Ren. He is NOT Luke Skywalker.

[BlobVanDam]

And if they were casting someone else as Kylo Ren to throw people off the scent, I think they'd cast someone a little closer in stature. 6"3' vs 5'9", not to mention the rest of the proportions. That would be a huge discrepancy after the reveal, even for a movie.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Watched Revenge on the weekend.  By far the best in the PT.  It still feels rushed.  They really needed more time to convince the audience of Anakin's turn.  He went from wanting to kill Palpatine and tattling on him, to joining him and committing genocide in one afternoon.  And the fact that the love story sucked made it hard to believe that was the reason he turned.

Exactly.  Lucas had the bones of a really good story, but it just wasn't executed in a way that was even halfway convincing.  I think that, for his turn to be truly convincing, you needed a series of bigger tragedies that the Jedi must have been perceived by Anakin to have had a hand in.  For him to go so far as to want to utterly exterminate the Jedi, and even the children themselves, he had to have become convinced that they were truly evil and a threat to order in the universe.  Here is an example of how it the turning could have worked within the storyline Lucas created and could have been a lot more convincing:
-Ep. 1:  Anakin is actually more shocked and emotionally distraught when he learns that the Qui Gon and the Jedi are not there to free the slaves, including Anakin's mother, and he agrees to go with Qui Gon and Obi Wan only after an emotional confrontation with them where they convince him that he can do good as a jedi, but that it is not the jedis' purpose to upset the political order on Tatooine or anywhere else, despite that some practices go on that they may personally be against.  Anakin secretly vows to himself that he will someday free the slaves and come back for his mom once he is older and has more influence.
-Ep. 2:  Palpatine manipulates things such that the separatists bring the galaxy to the brink of war (which is basically what was going on anyway).  Anakin is against war and believes that the jedi and senate should be doing everything they can to prevent prolonged all-out war, even if, ironically, that means swift and decisive military action to squash the threats to peace.  The major conflict that begins the clone wars either occurs on Tatooine, killing many of the people Anakin grew up with, or on Naboo, killing people Padme is close to.  Anakin feels resentful toward the jedi and senate for (1) not preventing war, and (2) allowing people he cares about to be caught in the crossfire.  He also hates the separatists.  AND he is fearful that he will not be able to protect the ones he loves if he does not rise up and choose a different path for himself.  He reluctantly remains faithful to the jedi way, but these seeds of doubt and dark-side emotions are planted, and Palpatine manipulates them and feeds them behind the scenes.  Anakin vows that he WILL find a way to restore order, which includes freeing the slaves and rescuing his mom (who is still alive on Tatooine).
Ep. 3:  As war rages on, Anakin distinguishes himself as a great jedi warrior and ally of the republic, which is basically where he was at the beginning of the real ep. 3.  But he is conflicted, and is still being driven by the events in Ep. 2 and the horrors and suffering of war in general.  The turning happens a bit earlier in the movie.  The big event is some sort of conflict where Obi Wan is involved in a battle where Anakin's mother dies JUST as Anakin was finally in a position to go back and bring her away from Tatooine.  Anakin's grief and despair take over and he goes berserk and turns into an absolute rage monster, not only blaming Obi Wan and the jedi for not doing enough to establish peace and order, but perhaps actually fomenting war for some sort of political gain.  Padme advocates for the republic and the jedi, and Anakin becomes convinced that she is a traitor, and almost kills her.  She escapes, but he is convinced that she is dead.  Having lost everything, Anakin goes and confronts Obi Wan, and everything becomes twisted during the conversation (due to Palpatine manipulating things to create a misimpression in Anakin's mind), and Anakin is convinced that Obi Wan and the jedi are truly evil.  Gets burned in lava and becomes the Vader we all know, but not because of the stupid high ground issue.  All of these events, combined with the physical and emotional trauma he has just suffered, push the now deformed Anakin totally over the edge, and he now (in his mind, justifiably) believes the jedi and republic are enemies of peace and order, and vows to exterminate them.  Order 66 is initiated and Vader goes and purges the jedi temple as the black armor-clad vader.  Montage of events occurring over the next few months, which includes jedi being hunted down and killed; only Yoda and Obi Wan survive, and both go into hiding;  Padme survives a few months and delivers the children, and dies in childbirth because the damage inflicted by Vader months earlier injured her more than people realized, and childbirth physically does her in, but Vader knows nothing about this; Gratuitous death star construction scene; roll credits.

Yeah, that is a much darker story.  But the problem is, the creation/origin story of a villain as simultaneously complex, powerful, and evil as Vader really is supposed to be HAS TO be dark.  And this series of events (or one like it) at least gives a better motivation for the transformation.

Very nice, 1. 9/10 would watch.

One of the things that seem awkward in Anakin's transformation in Ep. III is his clear lack of motivation. True, Padme dying was a big deal, but that doesn't seem enough to take him to a 'I pledge myself...... to your teachings......' after chopping off Mace's arm just because 'I NEED HIM!'. Yesterday, he was asking Obi-Wan's forgiveness, revealing Sidious' identity to the Jedi Council and just being a good Jedi teenager with some issues as every teenager does. The next day he had yellow eyes and killed some Jedi younglings. I would have hoped a slower but steadier transformation to the dark side as bosk's outline suggests; more real, more human.

I think the biggest problem of the prequels is the amount of information displayed on screen. Lucas had a whole bunch of stories he wanted to tell, but failed to do so with many of them.

[gmillerdrake]

Oh, and.....count me in as one of the people who have now fell for and am buying the idea of Kylo Ren being Luke Skywalker. Reading these 'fan theories' about it....it all 'makes sense' and the more I think about it the more I believe it and think that it'd be cool.....

No.

This is Kylo Ren. He is NOT Luke Skywalker.

could be a trick promotional shot?
















 

[bosk1]

Why are those snowtroopers marching with Edward Scissorhands? 

[retaehTmaerD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSFp-gw6lY

[hefdaddy42]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSFp-gw6lY

Is this the new one?  I was told to avoid it because it is spoilery.

[jingle.boy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpSFp-gw6lY

Is this the new one?  I was told to avoid it because it is spoilery.

I watched... it's the International trailer (with some kind of orient subtitles).  Mostly stuff that's already been shown in the other trailers and TV spots... maybe about 20% new stuff.  Can't say it was terribly 'spoilery'.

[bosk1]

But it DOES show NOMACs.

[jingle.boy]

But it DOES show NOMACs.

And (Dark) Lord Nafarius

[kaos2900]

Hard to believe we only have to wait one more week! I'll be staying off the net starting Wednesday until Thursday night when I get to the see the movie.

[Pragmaticcircus]

I better stay off this particular thread for two weeks till I've seen Vii.   

[Kotowboy]

How hilarious would it be if Kylo Ren was Khan

[BlobVanDam]

TOO SOON!

[Kotowboy]

" I am Khan. There is nowhere I cannot go. I used my genetically engineered intellect to create a dimensional gateway between realities. "

Simon Pegg as Watto : " we'sa fucked pretty bad "

[PowerSlave]

I better stay off this particular thread for two weeks till I've seen Vii.   

This kind of raises a good question. Is there going to be a separate thread to discuss the new movie when it comes out? Or, is it open season in this thread? I'm excited to see the new movie, but I don't anticipate being able to see it for the first couple of weeks due to my work schedule. I'm wondering if I should avoid this part of the forum starting next week.

[BlobVanDam]

I better stay off this particular thread for two weeks till I've seen Vii.   

This kind of raises a good question. Is there going to be a separate thread to discuss the new movie when it comes out? Or, is it open season in this thread? I'm excited to see the new movie, but I don't anticipate being able to see it for the first couple of weeks due to my work schedule. I'm wondering if I should avoid this part of the forum starting next week.

I think it would be best if we had a thread specifically for The Force Awakens so that the people who see it don't need to worry about posting spoilers, and the people who haven't seen it yet don't have to worry about seeing spoilers.
So perhaps the first person to see it who wants to post about it should create a new thread.

[Kotowboy]

Star Wars The Force Awakens v. Kylo Ren Solo

[jingle.boy]

I better stay off this particular thread for two weeks till I've seen Vii.   

This kind of raises a good question. Is there going to be a separate thread to discuss the new movie when it comes out? Or, is it open season in this thread? I'm excited to see the new movie, but I don't anticipate being able to see it for the first couple of weeks due to my work schedule. I'm wondering if I should avoid this part of the forum starting next week.

I think it would be best if we had a thread specifically for The Force Awakens so that the people who see it don't need to worry about posting spoilers, and the people who haven't seen it yet don't have to worry about seeing spoilers.
So perhaps the first person to see it who wants to post about it should create a new thread.

Agreed 100%

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

[Kotowboy]

My name is...KYLO.......




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..RenBinks.. . . .

[Chino]

I saw Star Wars oranges and Star Wars coffee creamer in the grocery store over the weekend. Nothing special about the product. The labels were just Star Wars theme. I swear, every single store in this country has at least one item with Star Wars on it. Shit, Kohls has a few thousand.

[Implode]

Sadly, that's what Star Wars has always been about.