Star Wars Discussion Thread v. Rogue One

[King Postwhore]

The Phantom Menace was one of the biggest movies ever, and that movie was awful. The trailer alone for The Force Awakens is already a better movie than TPM, and it already has a ton of positive PR going in.

Just like the 2009 Star trek Movie.


Some purist didn't like it though.  Mmmmnnnn..........

[BlobVanDam]

There was no comparison there. Quit yer trolling.

[King Postwhore]

There was no comparison there. Quit yer trolling.

What you described about Star Wars is the same that happened with Star Trek.  Big buzz for the trailers, great reviews form critics. Only the purists did not like it.

So it is very similar so far.

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

One might also think about the fact though that when Avatar went up on screen the whole digital 3D spectacle was a huge magnet for people to lift their asses and go to the movie theatre.

[BlobVanDam]

There was no comparison there. Quit yer trolling.

What you described about Star Wars is the same that happened with Star Trek.  Big buzz for the trailers, great reviews form critics. Only the purists did not like it.

So it is very similar so far.

Star Trek 2009 didn't have anywhere near this much buzz or positivity, especially from the existing fans (Trek fans were just desperate for Trek), unlike TFA which at this point is almost universally anticipated by fans. It also didn't do that well. Aside from having spaceships and you trying to get under my skin, there's no similarity.

[King Postwhore]

 

Well, i think after the last 3 Star Wars movies, fans are dying for Star Wars as well.

One might also think about the fact though that when Avatar went up on screen the whole digital 3D spectacle was a huge magnet for people to lift their asses and go to the movie theatre.

Very true.  That was a huge pull.  I remember many of my friends loosing it over the I-MAX 3D.

[hefdaddy42]

There was no comparison there. Quit yer trolling.

What you described about Star Wars is the same that happened with Star Trek.  Big buzz for the trailers, great reviews form critics. Only the purists did not like it.

So it is very similar so far.

Star Trek 2009 didn't have anywhere near this much buzz or positivity, especially from the existing fans (Trek fans were just desperate for Trek), unlike TFA which at this point is almost universally anticipated by fans. It also didn't do that well. Aside from having spaceships and you trying to get under my skin, there's no similarity.

I agree with Blob 100%.  I love Star Trek, but there is absolutely no comparison here as far as level of excitement and anticipation.  The fan base for Star Trek is much smaller than that of Star Wars.

[BlobVanDam]

Well, i think after the last 3 Star Wars movies, fans are dying for Star Wars as well.

There's been plenty in the meantime for Star Wars fans, including a couple of cartoon series, video games, great merchandise etc. And they're getting a real Star Wars movie at the end of the year. Star Wars is one of the most well managed franchises from a fan perspective, despite the crappy prequels. Star Trek has never really compared in that regard, unfortunately.

NOW QUIT IT!

[Kotowboy]

Do you think The Force Awakens will crush Avatars record on the "highest-grossing film of all time"?

God I hope so.

Even worst case it should crack $1bn. If the movie is actually good, it should be around $1.5bn, and if it's amazing, who knows.

I think it will make $2bn easily.

If it's in 3D it will make an extra 33% on top of that. Plus repeat viewings and DIsney will kep it in the cinemas for about 6 months which will also help.

I'm gonna say 1.5bn EASILY. 2bn most likely and $3bn not a chance.

[Kotowboy]

despite the crappy prequels. Star Trek has never really compared in that regard

I Agree. Star Trek has never had any crappy prequels.

[Lucien]

I feel this movie is going to break whatever the world record is for highest grossing movie of all time. It's going to. People were excited about The Avengers, they're going to be 10x more excited about this.

[King Postwhore]

There was no comparison there. Quit yer trolling.

What you described about Star Wars is the same that happened with Star Trek.  Big buzz for the trailers, great reviews form critics. Only the purists did not like it.

So it is very similar so far.

Star Trek 2009 didn't have anywhere near this much buzz or positivity, especially from the existing fans (Trek fans were just desperate for Trek), unlike TFA which at this point is almost universally anticipated by fans. It also didn't do that well. Aside from having spaceships and you trying to get under my skin, there's no similarity.

I agree with Blob 100%.  I love Star Trek, but there is absolutely no comparison here as far as level of excitement and anticipation.  The fan base for Star Trek is much smaller than that of Star Wars.

Oh I agree, i'm just playing with Blob and he knows it.

[kaos2900]

It seems like the anticipation for Episode VII is even greater than there was for Episode I. I'm pretty sure it's going to break every record know to man.

[Kotowboy]

It seems like the anticipation for Episode VII is even greater than there was for Episode I. I'm pretty sure it's going to break every record know to man.

Including Best Star Wars Movie.

i.e. The first "good" one.

[Mister Gold]

It seems like the anticipation for Episode VII is even greater than there was for Episode I. I'm pretty sure it's going to break every record know to man.

Including Best Star Wars Movie.

i.e. The first "good" one.

Someone needs to learn to love The Empire Strikes Back.

[Calvin6s]

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[PowerSlave]

https://news.yahoo.com/star-wars-original-theatrical-cut-to-be-081934213.html

About damn time...

[Kotowboy]

Groovy. I might even snap them up !

 
But what aspect ratio will they be ? And will they be digitally remastered ?

I think they should do a JAWS type digital remaster . Clean everything up and release on Blu Ray in 16:9 with no new footage.

[Calvin6s]

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[Kotowboy]

Whatever. If they release them in 16:9 with a bit of a clean up on Blu ray with nothing new added. I reckon they'll make an absolute fortune.

[Phoenix87x]

https://news.yahoo.com/star-wars-original-theatrical-cut-to-be-081934213.html

About damn time...

1. About fucking time

2. I will buy it day one.

[Kotowboy]

3. I hope it makes a killing.

4. I hope George Lucre doesn't get a penny of it.

[BlackInk]

I would like to buy that, but I already have the newest (I think) bluray box with all six films, which are the new versions with all the weird changes. I don't know if I'll want to spend money buying movies I already own, even if I'd like to have the theatrical cuts..

[The Trooper]

It is a great day when my seven year old son watches a Star Wars Marathon with me and says. Dad, Yoda rules and that Jar Jar sucks . Proud Dad I am

[Sub Luna Vitrea]

I imagine this will be like literally every other movie that has come out in the last ten years: if I see it, I will enjoy it while it is on the screen, and then I will never think about it again.

[jingle.boy]

I think people are overly optimistic on how much this might gross.  In today's dollars, sure, it might get bigger than Avatar.  In real terms, I highly doubt it.  Avatar had something (the recorded 3D aspect) that was completely original and unique to the industry, and some absolutely stunning cinematography.  That's why it was able to top Titanic.  I don't think Star Wars has enough in the brand to overcome that.  People went to see it for the hype, and went back to see it because it was gorgeous.

I could be wrong, but I just don't see it. 

*prepares for the fanboys to dispute this*

[BlobVanDam]

We're all just speculating at this point, so all we can do is wait and see. I won't claim it will top Avatar (as I said, I think that will entirely depend on how good the movie actually is, because it doesn't have gimmicks to rely on), but I don't think anyone would doubt that it's going to make a shitload of money one way or another. The only question is just how large a shitload of money it will be.

But I think there is definitely potential to do it. If an average dinosaur movie can make $1.6bn, I believe anything is possible.

[Kotowboy]

If Avatar relied on a gimmick - ( namely 3D I assume ) - how come it made damn near $3bn worldwide and not every 3D movie makes close to that ?

Must just be the 3D.

It couldn't possibly be the fact that people enjoyed it and kept going back.

[Kotowboy]

If an average dinosaur movie can make $1.6bn, I believe anything is possible.

Yeah. Literally no idea how that happened. It wasn't even that amazing. It was a fun film. But Not THAT good.

It's not even like the dinosaurs looked super realistic ( they looked awful ).

[BlobVanDam]

It couldn't possibly be the fact that people enjoyed it and kept going back.

I'm not saying people didn't enjoy it, but the visuals were a motivating factor for many people seeing it, and even the people who liked it mostly admitted the plot itself was nothing great or original.
It would be hard to deny that the 3D was at least a big factor. I'm not saying people couldn't otherwise enjoy it! There have been a ton of 3D movies since, but it was the first of the modern trend, so it stood apart at the time, and a lot of the 3D movies since have been sloppy post-conversions, which made the novelty wear off pretty quickly. At the time, there weren't really other 3D movies to see, nor the consumer equipment to watch it at home.

[Kotowboy]

I really don't think that Avatar made $2,800,000,000 just from it being in 3D.

I don't know why but some people ( not having a go at anyone on here ) can't seem to accept that people actually enjoyed the movie.

They always put it down to " The 3D was a gimmick " - despite it being one of the best 3D movies - not only at the time but also since.

Or it only made that much because it was re-released.

Star Trek 2009 was in the cinema for six whole months and made a whopping $385m so that's not it either.

And as for the basic plot. I actually liked it BECAUSE of the basic plot.


tl;dr - some people liked the movie despite all the "gimmicks"...



NOW - STAR WARS.

I might actually get the Theatrical Trilogy on Blu Ray and i'm interested in Force Awakens and will go and see it. But i'm more excited for Star Trek Beyond, obviously

[BlobVanDam]

As I just said, I didn't at all say that people didn't enjoy the film on its own merits, and I didn't say that it made $3bn only because it was 3D. Why bother arguing against this mythical "they"?
I simply said that it was helped by the novelty of 3D, because that was a unique experience at the time. Not sure what the problem is with that. Maybe it made an extra $1bn because of the 3D, maybe $500m, maybe $1.5bn, I don't know. There's no doubt it would have still been huge, but if people wanted to see a 3D movie, their only option at the time was to pay to see it again. It definitely brought in a lot of the repeat viewings, regardless of how good or bad the film was.

I'll believe they're releasing the OOT on Bluray when I see it. This rumour has been brought up too many times for me to believe it.

[Kotowboy]

I'll believe they're releasing the OOT on Bluray when I see it. This rumour has been brought up too many times for me to believe it.

Indeed. But it would never have happened under George Lucre because he has no idea what people want and doesn't give a shit.

Now that Disney own the rights and will be looking to make a return on their $4bn investment - it seems highly logical....(captain).....

[orcus116]

Lucas probably didn't want to release his "unfinished" versions to the world.

[BlobVanDam]

I read somewhere that from merchandise alone they're set to make about $5bn from this movie. I don't think they'll have any problem getting a return on their investment.

It's a big undertaking to restore the OOT, but the movie needs to be rescanned for future releases above 1080p anyway, so hopefully this will really happen.

Lucas was a jerk who didn't care about what anyone else wanted.