Star Wars Discussion Thread v. Rogue One

[ReaPsTA]

Reading from my copy of The Secret History of Star Wars:

"Lucas had a lot of issues to deal with in crafting Revenge of the Jedi.  The "Other"  he had made mention of in the second film is the most notorious of the loose ends he had to tie up."

[ReaPsTA]

BTW, here's a scene from an early draft of Return of the Jedi. There's an extra character in this version, Jerjerrod, who is assigned by the Emperor to keep Vader away while Luke is converted to the Dark Side. The dialog is clunky, but the line at the end shows Lucas has the ability to come up with quotable lines in him somewhere:

VADER'S PRIVATE CHAMER - STAR DESTROYER

The door to the private chamber slides open, and the Dark Lord of the Sith storms into the room.  His voice echoes through the chamber.

VADER
Jerjerrod!

JERJERROD
(V.O.)
it is not necessary to shout, my old friend.

VADER
What is the Emperor doing with my son...

JERJERROD
My lord Vader, the Emperor does not have to answer to you... besides, I don't believe he has your son.  Where did you come by this piece of erroneous information?

VADER
He's been seen at the palace... and that's where I'm going!

JERJERROD
The Emperor would prefer you didn't... you would go against his wishes.  The Rebel attack is about to begin.  You are truly fearless, my old friend.

Vader lifts the Grand Moff by the neck and begins to lift him off the ground with one hand; Jerjerrod gasps for air and struggles to free himself from the Dark Lord's iron grip.

VADER
You are not my friend, bureaucrat.  I will go to the palace, but you will not live to see it.  I no longer wish to be annoyed by your simpering ways.

JERJERROD
The Emperor will destroy you for this.

Vader snaps the man's neck, and he drops to the floor in a heap.

VADER
I think not... your importance has been greatly exaggerated.

[Super Dude]

Besides, when your two main analogies you're going with are Nazi Germany and the Late Republic, trade embargoes of small planets don't exactly measure up to fires in the Reichstag or crossing the Rubicon.

The more I watch the original trilogy, the more it's obvious that the Nazi Germany comparison is far off the mark, or at least a mere surface reading.  Didn't GL say Anakin, and by extension Darth Vader, was inspired by Richard Nixon?

[GuineaPig]

There's no denying, however, that a large part of the imagery associated with the Empire is more or less lifted straight from the Nazis.

I have no idea how Anakin is Richard Nixon.  Nixon was an asshole; he wasn't a whiny bitch.

[Super Dude]

To that first part: true, what is more evil than a militaristic fascist government?  Honestly I think that's the point though; I feel like Star Wars is a reflection of the struggles of the 1960s, and the Empire is meant to represent how people started to feel like the compromise that once took place between people and their government was being replaced by coercion, and the fear that values of democracy were disappearing in America all the while the people were dividing in a way not seen since the Civil War.  I'll elaborate later because I'm exhausted, but think of it this way: Old Republic = The Grand Old Republic (of course another possibility I've weighed is that this also can be likened to the romanticized Old South, but given the connotations it would not have been "with" the times as much).

To that second statement:

[blackngold29]

Except that virtually every documentary out there (and Lucas) has said that it's based on Greek and Roman mythology. Joseph Campbell, people, Hero With a Thousand Faces.

[ThroughHerEyesDude6]

Just watched RotJ and man, they do has some pretty wooden parts. Didn't stop me from watching the ending 3 times though.

[PetFish]

I think the people complaining about the "wooden" acting and solely blaming the actors don't realize that the director is just as much, if not more, to blame for this.  Every line is scrutinized and changed until the director is happy even so far as in the looping stage... even changing words altogether that were mouthed differently on screen and it's so obvious.  I would expect the actors themselves were probably not 100% happy with the final product but it's what George wanted in the end and that's who I'm most frustrated with.

I still love all of the movies but I know they could have been so much more than what they ended up being.

[Perpetual Change]

I think another issue is when Star Wars, the originals I mean, came out, Lucas was still somewhat of a n00b and the cast would argue with him and force him to read his own lines until they were changed. Is anyone going to argue with Lucas, who's now one of the biggest directors ever, at this stage in the game? Of course not.

[blackngold29]

I still love all of the movies but I know they could have been so much more than what they ended up being.

Lots of people say this, but then when Lucas tries to come out with a newer version to get it closer to his vision, they get pissed off. He can't change actors, no matter if it's 30 years or 10 years later. When the guy puts up a large part of the money (which he definitely did for ESB and ROTJ) he can do whatever he wants, but even then he was hugely limited because of time constraints... More on this later, I have to go to school.

[Super Dude]

Except that virtually every documentary out there (and Lucas) has said that it's based on Greek and Roman mythology. Joseph Campbell, people, Hero With a Thousand Faces.

That accounts for Luke's journey to be sure.  I fail to see any Greco-Roman mythology other than that though.

Although I think the point is that the classical myths that we've enjoyed since time was time could be seen also in the struggles of a dividing country.  I think that's what made this interpretation so powerful.

[blackngold29]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOBZlMovZW4

Suck on that Photoshop.

[emindead]

New movie will be like this:

[Adami]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOBZlMovZW4

Suck on that Photoshop.

That blew my mind.

[Adami]

New movie will be like this:

That blew.

[MetalJunkie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOBZlMovZW4

Suck on that Photoshop.

That blew my mind.

I like how he put color strips on the side for later use with the dropper tool. Very clever.

[blackngold29]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku-ixeq6M5A

Stormtrooper Dance Challenge: You download the video and add the music and sound effects. Humorous potential, this has.

[RobD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku-ixeq6M5A

Stormtrooper Dance Challenge: You download the video and add the music and sound effects. Humorous potential, this has.

Out of all the ones I've put to it so far, starting Bad Devil by Devin Townsend at 21 seconds into the song at the start of the video is by far the best

[ZBomber]

New movie will be like this:

What is even the POINT of something like this? 

[ehra]

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/105460-Internet-Rescues-Bullied-First-Grade-Girl

Katie is a first-grader in Chicago, Illinois. Her mother took her back-to-school shopping a few months ago, and lil' Katie picked out a bunch of Star Wars swag, including a matching backpack and water bottle. Last week, Katie came home and asked her mother for a different water bottle. Mom sensed something wasn't right, and pressed the issue. That's when Katie began to cry, saying "The first grade boys are teasing me at lunch because I have a Star Wars water bottle. They say it's only for boys. Every day they make fun of me for drinking out of it. I want them to stop, so I'll just bring a pink water bottle."

Mom Carrie blogged about the incident on November 15th, and by the 18th the internet had exploded with a resounding, "oh, HELL no." Twitter messages of support (#MayTheForceBeWithKatie) have been zipping around ever since. Goldman's blog has received over 1,200 comments, and she has updated the original post assuring readers that "Katie is reading all of them." In a coup de grace that is nearly to cute for words, Goldman's update also said, "today she wore a Star Wars shirt to school and said to me, 'Tell the people about it!!!!'"

Ultimately, Katie has been invited to the Chicago premiere of a Clone Wars film by its Yoda, Tom Kane. She also received a Star Wars sketch card of herself, holding a lightsaber, drawn by artist Scott Zirkel. Star Wars toys and paraphernalia have been offered up in droves; the Goldman family requests that these toys be instead sent to local children's hospitals.

 

[blackngold29]

Awesome stuff. Screw You first grade boys!

[TimmyHiggy]

[Adami]

That...............I..................boner.................oh god.................thank you.

[TimmyHiggy]

I saw a version of that pic on dorkly.com and felt duty bound to share it over here.

I normally find tatoos repulsive, but that swimsuit and figure are great enough to cause an exception.

[blackngold29]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POjbCQyYbfE

 

[MetalManiac666]

 

[Perpetual Change]

New movie will be like this:

Okay guys, let's take bets: how many pages before this .gif is posted yet again?

[zepp-head]

BTW, here's a scene from an early draft of Return of the Jedi. There's an extra character in this version, Jerjerrod, who is assigned by the Emperor to keep Vader away while Luke is converted to the Dark Side. The dialog is clunky, but the line at the end shows Lucas has the ability to come up with quotable lines in him somewhere:

VADER'S PRIVATE CHAMER - STAR DESTROYER

The door to the private chamber slides open, and the Dark Lord of the Sith storms into the room.  His voice echoes through the chamber.

VADER
Jerjerrod!

JERJERROD
(V.O.)
it is not necessary to shout, my old friend.

VADER
What is the Emperor doing with my son...

JERJERROD
My lord Vader, the Emperor does not have to answer to you... besides, I don't believe he has your son.  Where did you come by this piece of erroneous information?

VADER
He's been seen at the palace... and that's where I'm going!

JERJERROD
The Emperor would prefer you didn't... you would go against his wishes.  The Rebel attack is about to begin.  You are truly fearless, my old friend.

Vader lifts the Grand Moff by the neck and begins to lift him off the ground with one hand; Jerjerrod gasps for air and struggles to free himself from the Dark Lord's iron grip.

VADER
You are not my friend, bureaucrat.  I will go to the palace, but you will not live to see it.  I no longer wish to be annoyed by your simpering ways.

JERJERROD
The Emperor will destroy you for this.

Vader snaps the man's neck, and he drops to the floor in a heap.

VADER
I think not... your importance has been greatly exaggerated.

Jerjerrod is in the movie, just not to the same extent.  He is only in the opening scene.

[soundgarden]

oh, dear god.

[TimmyHiggy]

[MetalManiac666]

moar plz

[ReaPsTA]

Where are you getting these Timmy?

[hefdaddy42]

Coffee fan?

https://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/e732/

[TimmyHiggy]

Where are you getting these Timmy?

I just read dorkly.com regularly and those star wars swimsuit things have come up twice recently. They have both been so spectacular that I have posted them here!!

[ZBomber]

I've made a lot of stupid mistakes in my life, but the dumbest thing I have ever done was buying the "Full Screen" editions of the Original Trilogy.... twice.