"To Catch a Predator" Host Chris Hansen caught cheating...

[Heaven Outcry Angel]

they think there consenting!! what is the problem

[Zook]

they think there consenting!! what is the problem

Because consenting with a 13-14 year old is against the law?! Not to mention gross and immoral.

[Heaven Outcry Angel]

who decides whats moral or not?

and downloading music is against the law but we all do it anywaysy

[Zook]

who decides whats moral or not?

and downloading music is against the law but we all do it anywaysy

Music isn't a 13 year old boy or girl who we're wanting to have sex with.

[Heaven Outcry Angel]

except in this case the 13 year old boy or girl consents, the music cant but we do it anyway.

[lonestar]

If you don't see an issue with a 13 year old girl having consentual sex with a 30 year old man, I really don't have anything to say.

[Heaven Outcry Angel]

daenerys targaryen did it and she turned out fine

[Zook]

except in this case the 13 year old boy or girl consents, the music cant but we do it anyway.

Kids' brains at that age haven't fully developed the understanding of the logistic fallacies of human nature. They're going through puberty and hormones are raging, but they really don't know what they're getting themselves into. They think they're inviting someone over to fool around, but that person's (predator's) full intention is to violate every spec of innocence in that little boy or girl. To me there isn't a question of who decides if the act if immoral or not. It just is.

[Heaven Outcry Angel]

"They think they're inviting someone over to fool around, but that person's (predator's) full intention is to violate every spec of innocence in that little boy or girl"

or maybe they just like sex?? and finds the kids more attractive? how can you asume that quickly

i think you have some deep psychological issues

[Zook]

"They think they're inviting someone over to fool around, but that person's (predator's) full intention is to violate every spec of innocence in that little boy or girl"

or maybe they just like sex?? and finds the kids more attractive? how can you asume that quickly

i think you have some deep psychological issues

And I think you're a troll. Conversation over.

[lonestar]

daenerys targaryen did it and she turned out fine

For every one that turned out fine, I can find you 50 in a rehab, strung out on crack and turning tricks,  or dead by their own hands at an early age.


And what zook said...

And I think you're an idiotic troll. Conversation over.

[Heaven Outcry Angel]

"They think they're inviting someone over to fool around, but that person's (predator's) full intention is to violate every spec of innocence in that little boy or girl"

or maybe they just like sex?? and finds the kids more attractive? how can you asume that quickly

i think you have some deep psychological issues

And I think you're a troll. Conversation over.

whatever man.

[Volk9]

daenerys targaryen did it and she turned out fine

 

[Genowyn]

daenerys targaryen did it and she turned out fine

But the average teenager doesn't get dragons in exchange.

[El Barto]

daenerys targaryen did it and she turned out fine

For every one that turned out fine, I can find you 50 in a rehab, strung out on crack and turning tricks,  or dead by their own hands at an early age.

Just to play devil's advocate here, I think there are a couple of problems with your statement.  First,  I seriously doubt it's true.  Particularly since kids who weren't fucked up by the experience don't generally get accounted for.  More important though,  I don't think you can separate out the harm done by the act itself from the harm brought about by the societal aspect.  In our culture, this sort of thing is automatically labeled abusive, vile, and irreparably harmful.  I suspect that plenty of the people you'd refer to as a junky, whore or suicidal are largely in that position because they've been deemed damaged goods.  Consider that in 1999 Spain RAISED the age of consent to 13.  I haven't heard of any of the dire consequences that you refer to happening over there.  I'd consider this another example of where the puritanical stigma we place on sexuality does a great deal of harm.

I'm not suggesting that what we're describing is a good thing, mind you.  I'm only pointing out that it needn't necessarily be the life-destroying event that it's generally made out to be.

As for TCaP, my problem is that they're busting people only for intent, without the possibility to change their mind.  If a guy shows up at the girls house and decides "holy shit, you look like your 12.  I don't think I want anything to do with you.",  it doesn't matter in Chris Hansen's world.  The incident that brought that whole shitty idea for a program to a close was a local fellow who drove by the house and decided not to stop.  They went to his house a few days later to bust him, for what I don't know, and he decided to kill himself instead.  His family sued Dateline and presumably they decided that turning seious law enforcement matters into a reality TV programming wasn't such a good idea. 

[Kura]

so what everyone cheats at some point especially women

just a man paying 'em back

I've never cheated, don't plan on ever cheating.

Same here man. And cheating to me is more than just sex, intimacy, etc.. it's a huge trust and honesty thing too.

As for the story, I just hope his wife will be able to cope with whatever decision she makes from this.

[Kura]

@_@ Also.. technically don't parents have power of attorney until the kid is 18? (or 16 in some places, I think) .. So whether the kid consents shouldn't matter, because if it's to protect against the child's well-being then doesn't the parents' say overrule that?

I'm not sure.. I am just asking.. I don't mean to bring this up to argue..

[xShammas]

daenerys targaryen did it and she turned out fine

For every one that turned out fine, I can find you 50 in a rehab, strung out on crack and turning tricks,  or dead by their own hands at an early age.

Just to play devil's advocate here, I think there are a couple of problems with your statement.  First,  I seriously doubt it's true.  Particularly since kids who weren't fucked up by the experience don't generally get accounted for.  More important though,  I don't think you can separate out the harm done by the act itself from the harm brought about by the societal aspect.  In our culture, this sort of thing is automatically labeled abusive, vile, and irreparably harmful.  I suspect that plenty of the people you'd refer to as a junky, whore or suicidal are largely in that position because they've been deemed damaged goods.  Consider that in 1999 Spain RAISED the age of consent to 13.  I haven't heard of any of the dire consequences that you refer to happening over there.  I'd consider this another example of where the puritanical stigma we place on sexuality does a great deal of harm.

I'm not suggesting that what we're describing is a good thing, mind you.  I'm only pointing out that it needn't necessarily be the life-destroying event that it's generally made out to be.

As for TCaP, my problem is that they're busting people only for intent, without the possibility to change their mind.  If a guy shows up at the girls house and decides "holy shit, you look like your 12.  I don't think I want anything to do with you.",  it doesn't matter in Chris Hansen's world.  The incident that brought that whole shitty idea for a program to a close was a local fellow who drove by the house and decided not to stop.  They went to his house a few days later to bust him, for what I don't know, and he decided to kill himself instead.  His family sued Dateline and presumably they decided that turning seious law enforcement matters into a reality TV programming wasn't such a good idea. 

I think I agree with this. I'm not saying it's morally right to sleep with 13 year olds or whatever, but it's still partially their fault. If they invite a stranger over, they should know the consequences. And what if they end up enjoying it and nothing goes wrong (even though it's unlikely)? And maybe the parents should do a better job monitoring their child's activity and such. There are tons of factors that can be brought up.

[Obfuscation]

I'm the girl he was with.

[lonestar]

Barto, first off I want to thank you for posting a thought out and well stated response.  I must confess that my response was an angry one, in respone to being trolled on a subject I get very emotional over, having dealt with it in many different phases and situations, and having seen some of the destructive results.  I completly agree that a lot of the negative stigma over the issue does stem from the puritan nature of our country, and the resultant advertised standards on morality.  I do not, in any situation, feel that a 13 year old hooking up with a thirty year old man is anything but child molestation.  The differences in maturity are just too great, and a child of that age is not capable of handling a 30 year old man's whims and desires.  It will put her in a situation where she is forced to be mature way beyond her years.  I am not saying that children of that age must be absinant.  Two freshman kids in high school having relations is very a very natural part of life.  If you, in this sitattion, substituted a 30 year old man and a 13 year ol boy(and this is more at the troll than you barto, but your opinion is always welcome), what would be the view then.  Once again, thanks for the response, it did give me pause to think, something I always appreciate.