Author Topic: On the Backs of Angels Thread (Read 344494 times)

bosk1 · « **Reply #1610 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:10:29 PM »

Quote from: ariich on July 06, 2011, 02:48:29 PM

Like I said, that wouldn't even make sense.

TL · « **Reply #1611 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:18:22 PM »

Quote from: bosk1 on July 06, 2011, 03:10:29 PM

Quote from: ariich on July 06, 2011, 02:48:29 PM
Like I said, that wouldn't even make sense.

As ReaP pointed out, how does that not make sense? You'd really think MP would want to be careful about this sort of thing, since he seems to be well aware that any sort of comment he makes on anything remotely DT related is going to be over analyzed.
If he did in fact 'like' what was quoted there, he was either being careless (not clarifying that he was only liking the AM part), or malicious.

Ben_Jamin · « **Reply #1612 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:39:49 PM »

People hit the like button when someone posts something like "My grandmother isn't doing well, hope she gets better soon." All the time, how is what MP posted any different? Does this mean they like that their grandma's sick and not doing well, or for her to get well.

Ravenheart · « **Reply #1613 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:43:09 PM »

First MTV/VH1 reality TV show drama, and now Facebook drama? This is all very silly.

orcus116 · « **Reply #1614 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:44:40 PM »

It could go either way, honestly. I'm willing to bet he's more pumped someone can't wait for AM while maybe slightly appreciating them not liking Mangini as much as him. And that's not saying he was going "hell yeah, bro!" to that dig.

Considering past history I could be completely wrong, though.

ariich · « **Reply #1615 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:45:34 PM »

Quote from: TL on July 06, 2011, 03:18:22 PM

Quote from: bosk1 on July 06, 2011, 03:10:29 PM
Quote from: ariich on July 06, 2011, 02:48:29 PM
Like I said, that wouldn't even make sense.
As ReaP pointed out, how does that not make sense? You'd really think MP would want to be careful about this sort of thing, since he seems to be well aware that any sort of comment he makes on anything remotely DT related is going to be over analyzed.
If he did in fact 'like' what was quoted there, he was either being careless (not clarifying that he was only liking the AM part), or malicious.

Well, for a start Reap's explanation hinges on MP's recent actions being "bitter and spiteful" which I don't agree with at all. From everything I've seem him say on the matter, he's seemed more sulky and defensive than anything else.

But he still ignored the point I made. It wouldn't make sense because it would contradict (1) the fact that MP wasn't at the show, and (2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.

ariich · « **Reply #1616 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:46:59 PM »

Quote from: orcus116 on July 06, 2011, 03:44:40 PM

It could go either way, honestly. I'm willing to bet he's more pumped someone can't wait for AM while maybe slightly appreciating them not liking Mangini as much as him. And that's not saying he was going "hell yeah, bro!" to that dig.

Considering past history I could be completely wrong, though.

Oh for sure, I'm not saying he wasn't happy about the fact that someone preferred him to MM, that's only natural and I think completely ties in with everything we know about MP. But I can't see it being any more than that, for the reasons I already explained.

orcus116 · « **Reply #1617 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:49:27 PM »

Quote from: ariich on July 06, 2011, 03:45:34 PM

But he still ignored the point I made. It wouldn't make sense because it would contradict (1) the fact that MP wasn't at the show, and (2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.

What does Portnoy not being at the show have to do with anything? I honestly would be surprised if someone didn't appreciate when a fan said someone else can't play the material they wrote as well as them. If they came up to you and said "Man you run circles around the other guy. He can't play your stuff" who wouldn't be gassed? That's just human nature.

TheGreatPretender · « **Reply #1618 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:51:40 PM »

Quote from: ariich on July 06, 2011, 03:45:34 PM

(2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.

So what? MP is still human. He can still feel resentment for not being a part of it. He's not gonna say, "MM can't play as good as me," but he can still be passive aggressive about it, by liking what OTHER people say.

ResultsMayVary · « **Reply #1619 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:52:56 PM »

OTBOA gets better with every listen to me. I feel like i'm discovering new drum parts or tid bits with each listen, especially for the drums. I think that is whats going to make this become a classic song from now on. The feeling that the song grows exponentially over time and that it always has a fresh feel. I hope the rest of the album is like this. If so, we may have a new album to reach the DT Top 3 (from the majority of the fans like how the majority agrees I&W and SFAM are their best).

On the MP drama, I think most of you shouldn't be surprised anymore with what MP likes or says. I've just come to accept that he is jealous and bitter about the whole ordeal and he will continue to take his shots at DT.

The best thing DT can do on that subject is go out every night, play flawlessly, and just show the world (and MP) that they feel like they've never missed a beat in this whole ordeal.

From my personal view, MM seems to be doing absolutely fantastic and I enjoy watching all the videos and seeing his touch on the DT songs.

chrisbDTM · « **Reply #1620 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:56:44 PM »

I agree with all this^

TheGreatPretender · « **Reply #1621 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:58:03 PM »

Quote from: ResultsMayVary on July 06, 2011, 03:52:56 PM

On the MP drama, I think most of you shouldn't be surprised anymore with what MP likes or says. I've just come to accept that he is jealous and bitter about the whole ordeal and he will continue to take his shots at DT.

And if that's true, it only supports my theory that in spite of everything that MP has done this year, he's not truly happy with where he is right now.

orcus116 · « **Reply #1622 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:00:54 PM »

It takes awhile to adjust to a "new normal". Everyone goes through it an more often than not you're uncomfortable/unhappy in the beginning.

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #1623 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:01:04 PM »

Quote from: ariich on July 06, 2011, 03:45:34 PM

(1) the fact that MP wasn't at the show, .

Easy enough to watch a bootleg. Hell, I know I'd be itching to watch a bootleg of it if I was in the band for 25 years and it was my baby. It's always interesting to walk away from something you had a big hand in and see what it's currently churning out without your input anymore.

Quote from: ariich on July 06, 2011, 03:45:34 PM

(2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.

While that may be true, emotions can get the best of anyone, and can trump such beliefs as his being cool with MM as a person.

bosk1 · « **Reply #1624 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:05:08 PM »

Quote from: ResultsMayVary on July 06, 2011, 03:52:56 PM

and just show the world (and MP) that they feel like they've never missed a beat in this whole ordeal.

TL · « **Reply #1625 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:07:26 PM »

I definitely think MP's action on this was careless, not spiteful, but again, you really would think that he'd be more careful about this sort of thing.

ariich · « **Reply #1626 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:08:16 PM »

Quote from: orcus116 on July 06, 2011, 03:49:27 PM

Quote from: ariich on July 06, 2011, 03:45:34 PM
But he still ignored the point I made. It wouldn't make sense because it would contradict (1) the fact that MP wasn't at the show, and (2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.

What does Portnoy not being at the show have to do with anything? I honestly would be surprised if someone didn't appreciate when a fan said someone else can't play the material they wrote as well as them. If they came up to you and said "Man you run circles around the other guy. He can't play your stuff" who wouldn't be gassed? That's just human nature.

Indeed, completely agreed, I meant more with the specific remarks about the show, which was the basis of the dig at MM by that guy.

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #1627 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:08:46 PM »

Quote from: TL on July 06, 2011, 04:07:26 PM

I definitely think MP's action on this was careless, not spiteful, but again, you really would think that he'd be more careful about this sort of thing.

Agreed, I said that earlier in the thread...it would be much better if he just stick to posting updates on his current projects and only those things. He just can't seem to do anything else online in the public eye without it looking questionable.

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #1628 on:** July 06, 2011, 05:45:12 PM »

Quote from: ariich on July 06, 2011, 03:45:34 PM

Well, for a start Reap's explanation hinges on MP's recent actions being "bitter and spiteful" which I don't agree with at all. From everything I've seem him say on the matter, he's seemed more sulky and defensive than anything else.

If you don't think MP has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them, then, I dunno man...

Quote

But he still ignored the point I made. It wouldn't make sense because it would contradict (1) the fact that MP wasn't at the show, and (2) MP really likes MM as a drummer and has gone on record in the past as saying so.

If one of your friends starts sleeping with your ex that you parted with on bitter terms, there's a near zero percent chance he's your friend anymore.

bosk1 · « **Reply #1629 on:** July 06, 2011, 05:47:20 PM »

Quote from: ReaPsTA on July 06, 2011, 05:45:12 PM

Quote from: ariich on July 06, 2011, 03:45:34 PM
Well, for a start Reap's explanation hinges on MP's recent actions being "bitter and spiteful" which I don't agree with at all. From everything I've seem him say on the matter, he's seemed more sulky and defensive than anything else.

If you don't think MP has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them, then, I dunno man...

It's really a big stretch to say he has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them. So, yeah, I dunno man...

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #1630 on:** July 06, 2011, 05:52:12 PM »

Quote from: bosk1 on July 06, 2011, 05:47:20 PM

It's really a big stretch to say he has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them. So, yeah, I dunno man...

But why is that a stretch? The day after he announced he was leaving he linked to an article suggesting that without him DT had lost its soul. Everything he says is about how they wronged him and they're treating him terribly. If all you knew about DT was what MP said about them, you'd think they're the biggest bunch of assholes to ever play rock music.

TheOutlawXanadu · « **Reply #1631 on:** July 06, 2011, 05:53:13 PM »

I don't know if he has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them, but it goes beyond "sulky and defensive".

I guess the only thing I have left to say here is that up until now, I have felt sorry for Mike. Not anymore. I really think his liking of that tweet was a nasty, nasty thing to do. If I was Mangini, I would feel very hurt.

/soapbox

DarkLord_Lalinc · « **Reply #1632 on:** July 06, 2011, 05:56:25 PM »

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on July 06, 2011, 05:53:13 PM

I don't know if he has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them, but it goes beyond "sulky and defensive".

I guess the only thing I have left to say here is that up until now, I have felt sorry for Mike. Not anymore. I really think his liking of that tweet was a nasty, nasty thing to do. If I was Mangini, I would feel very hurt.

/soapbox

I'm with you.

No, I mean I'm really with you (look behind you).

unklejman · « **Reply #1633 on:** July 06, 2011, 06:21:52 PM »

Wait... this thread still has discussion about MP's tweets.... Guys, get a thread.

This song is really great. Massive grower.

The Silent Cody · « **Reply #1634 on:** July 06, 2011, 06:26:44 PM »

Quote from: unklejman on July 06, 2011, 06:21:52 PM

Wait... this thread still has discussion about MP's tweets.... Guys, get a thread.

This song is really great. Massive grower.

This, I'm working now, and it stucks in my head for 6 hours or something like that... the opening, chorus, weird measured first riff...great, still cannot wait for all album...like all we can't I suppose

dongringo · « **Reply #1635 on:** July 06, 2011, 06:28:36 PM »

Something I've noticed listening to OTBOA over and over and watching MM play the song on the youtube clips....This is the first drumming I've been drawn in by since I first heard PT with Gavin Harrison. Not talking drum solos, rather drumming within a band. Not being a drummer myself, I'm usually not automatically drawn to the drums even though I appreciate good drumming within a song. But every time I listen to this song it's the drumming that I keep listening to more than any other instrument. Only Gavin Harrison and Neil Peart have really done that to me while listening to PT and Rush. I absolutely can not wait for the whole album for (I can't believe I'm saying this) the drumming.

Knguro · « **Reply #1636 on:** July 06, 2011, 06:30:53 PM »

Quote from: TheOutlawXanadu on July 06, 2011, 05:53:13 PM

I don't know if he has been distastefully malicious toward DT every time he's spoken about them, but it goes beyond "sulky and defensive".

I guess the only thing I have left to say here is that up until now, I have felt sorry for Mike. Not anymore. I really think his liking of that tweet was a nasty, nasty thing to do. If I was Mangini, I would feel very hurt.

/soapbox

Meeehh mangini is busy having a blast with the rest if DT! He knows that the only one losing credibility is MP.

Knguro

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #1637 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:01:48 PM »

Hey, ariich, I want to move to England with you, where no one ever does anything from a negative point-of-view.

ResultsMayVary · « **Reply #1638 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:13:06 PM »

Quote from: bosk1 on July 06, 2011, 04:05:08 PM

Quote from: ResultsMayVary on July 06, 2011, 03:52:56 PM
and just show the world (and MP) that they feel like they've never missed a beat in this whole ordeal.

Nice to see you caught that!

chrisbDTM · « **Reply #1639 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:16:11 PM »

the outro is

live, judging by the videos on youtube ive seen

DarkLord_Lalinc · « **Reply #1640 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:16:53 PM »

The song seems to sound incredibly huge live. I can't wait to see it.

JasonScandopolous · « **Reply #1641 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:28:36 PM »

Can we please not use the terminology "massive grower" about songs anymore? It it far too gay a phrase to allow me to read anything else that you've written.

On the song: first listen, it was ok. second, got better; third, got better; fourth, decreased a bit. Will give it a fifth listen later tonight.

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #1642 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:30:38 PM »

Quote from: JasonScandopolous on July 06, 2011, 07:28:36 PM

Can we please not use the terminology "massive grower" about songs anymore? It it far too gay a phrase to allow me to read anything else that you've written.

On the song: first listen, it was ok. second, got better; third, got better; fourth, decreased a bit. Will give it a fifth listen later tonight.

I want you to come to my place so I can introduce you to another massive grower.

hefdaddy42 · « **Reply #1643 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:31:27 PM »

I just am really liking the new song all of a sudden. It's really become a massive grower.

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #1644 on:** July 06, 2011, 07:38:21 PM »

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on July 06, 2011, 07:31:27 PM

I just am really liking the new song all of a sudden. It's really become a massive grower.

The song has some real lastability. I was showing it to my brother in the car, and he said "I think I like Mangini better than Portnoy." It's truly a massive grower on everyone.

News: Fall Into the Light, official video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFxH4kky6z4

Author Topic: On the Backs of Angels Thread (Read 344494 times)