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How much do you like BC&SL?

It's my new favorite
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It's up there with the best of 'em
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It's good
198 (32.4%)
It's O.K.
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Never Enough
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« Reply #770 on: January 04, 2013, 01:45:09 PM »
I like Raw Dog too.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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« Reply #771 on: January 04, 2013, 04:14:30 PM »
I think this is one of their best. I thought so when it was released and I still think so. Sure, it has its problems. The lyrics on TBOT and TCOT range from mediocre to terrible. But ANTR is one of their coolest songs ever, Wither is an awesome ballad and TCOT is one their very best songs and would be a Top 3 if it had better lyrics. (Why, oh WHY did he write his worst lyrics of all times on such a high standard song? I will never understand how everybody let it pass.)
I certainly would call it better than ADTOE.

I feel pretty much exactly the same about this album. Now that I've had a substantial amount of time to absorb ADToE, I would say BC&SL is better hands down. I know that's a controversial opinion on these forums, but ADToE just sounds so bland and unexciting to me. I'm not really sure why this album always gets mocked for its lyrics here when ADToE has some of the most pretentious lyrics DT has written to date.

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« Reply #772 on: January 04, 2013, 04:22:12 PM »
I think this is one of their best. I thought so when it was released and I still think so. Sure, it has its problems. The lyrics on TBOT and TCOT range from mediocre to terrible. But ANTR is one of their coolest songs ever, Wither is an awesome ballad and TCOT is one their very best songs and would be a Top 3 if it had better lyrics. (Why, oh WHY did he write his worst lyrics of all times on such a high standard song? I will never understand how everybody let it pass.)
I certainly would call it better than ADTOE.

I feel pretty much exactly the same about this album. Now that I've had a substantial amount of time to absorb ADToE, I would say BC&SL is better hands down. I know that's a controversial opinion on these forums, but ADToE just sounds so bland and unexciting to me. I'm not really sure why this album always gets mocked for its lyrics here when ADToE has some of the most pretentious lyrics DT has written to date.

Explain?

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« Reply #773 on: January 04, 2013, 04:32:09 PM »
I'm gonna give BCSL and ADTOE a listen, since it's been a while. I don't see myself liking BCSL more though.

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« Reply #774 on: January 04, 2013, 05:01:36 PM »
For the record, I'm not saying ADToE is a terrible album by any means, I just find it rather bland as I have already said. When I said that the lyrics are pretentious I was mainly referring to songs like Build Me Up, Break Me Down, Outcry and On The Backs of Angels. To me, they sound insincere and at times downright cringeworthy (Today I will be your savior, tomorrow a demon  :facepalm:). I'm not sure what they were going for with Outcry and OTBoA, but the lyrics sound too forced. It's like they realized that the lyrics on BC&SL were so goofy and corny that they felt that they needed to compensate for that by writing these ultra serious lyrics that sound so emotionless and boring to me.

I don't mean to pick on just ADToE because I can find lyrics that I feel the same about on other albums like SC and 8vm, I'm just specifically talking about ADToE because it seems to be so universally loved here as if it were flawless, when BC&SL is often mocked here. I do think BC&SL deserves some of the criticism it gets and I realize it's often in good fun, but I don't understand why ADToE doesn't seem to receive any criticism for its lyrics. I do actually think some of the songs on the album have solid and passionate lyrics like Beneath The Surface and Far From Heaven in particular, so again I don't want to come off as if I am bashing every song on ADToE.

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« Reply #775 on: January 04, 2013, 05:05:22 PM »
Yeah, I've never been one to bash lyrics anyway. I really enjoy TCOT's lyrics as well as some of their best like Voices. :tup

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« Reply #776 on: January 04, 2013, 05:17:12 PM »
Normally I don't like to bash lyrics because I don't like to criticize people for something that I probably couldn't do any better, I just find it funny that ADToE's lyrics get a pass from everyone here, while BC&SL is crucified at times. I guess I am just being defensive of BC&SL because it was my first DT album  :lol I know it has flaws, but it has held my interest for much longer than ADToE has.

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« Reply #777 on: January 04, 2013, 05:22:11 PM »
My problem with BCSL:

My favorite album is SDOIT, and I think all 6 songs on it are perfect, whereas 6 songs on BCSL are not.

ANTR, TCOT, TBOT, TSF are all amazing.

But Wither and AROP are just.. good to me.

Since the album has such few songs, and only 4 of them I think are amazing, that puts it pretty low in my album rankings.

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« Reply #778 on: January 04, 2013, 05:35:36 PM »
Oh I definitely agree with you there, SDOIT is a better album in every way. Even the title track has finally grown on me after being indifferent to it for so long. The first disc is practically a masterpiece, aside from TGP which is an awesome song but drags on too much in my opinion. It's not the length itself that bothers me, but I think it gets a bit tiresome and repetitive towards the end.

As for BC&SL, I think ANTR suffers from similar problems as TGP does, it drags on a bit and could have benefitted from some of the end being trimmed off in my opinion. TCoT is an unbelievably awesome song, and while the lyrics are a bit corny, James' delivery compensates for that and then some, as opposed to some of the songs on ADToE (in my opinion, of course). Wither is surprisingly one of the first DT songs that really clicked with me. I know that will be a bit surprising and odd to some people here, but I still think it's one of DT's best ballads and don't understand why it doesn't receive much praise at all here. I feel pretty much the same about TSF and TBoT, they're both good but I find it difficult to listen to them in their entirety. I think ARoP is pretty good as well. I guess in a nutshell the reason why I like BC&SL so much more than ADToE is because it's more fun and invigorating to listen to and doesn't take itself as seriously as ADToE for the most part.

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« Reply #779 on: January 04, 2013, 06:42:54 PM »
Gotcha  :tup

And that's cool you're a big fan of Wither. At times, I feel like I really like it, but that doesn't last too long. Haha. Still a good song however

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« Reply #780 on: January 05, 2013, 05:37:25 AM »
I'd like Wither more if the solo wasn't directly ripped from Queen.

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« Reply #781 on: January 05, 2013, 05:46:23 AM »
I'd like Wither more if the solo wasn't directly ripped from Queen.

It's very obviously in Brian May's style, but it's not directly ripped from anything.
I swear, DTF is like the boy who cried wolf when it comes to plagiarism claims. :P
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
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« Reply #782 on: January 05, 2013, 08:00:41 AM »
I'd like Wither more if the solo wasn't directly ripped from Queen.

It's very obviously in Brian May's style, but it's not directly ripped from anything.
I swear, DTF is like the boy who cried wolf when it comes to plagiarism claims. :P

Go listen to the Bohemian Rhapsody solo and then Wither's and then tell me that last part isn't directly from BR.

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« Reply #783 on: January 05, 2013, 08:03:23 AM »
The last part isn't from Bohemian Rhapsody.  It's just not.

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« Reply #784 on: January 05, 2013, 08:05:40 AM »
The last part isn't from Bohemian Rhapsody.  It's just not.
Hef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

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« Reply #785 on: January 05, 2013, 08:07:01 AM »
Is it ok to post comparison videos?

This isn't like last time with Redemption. I'M RIGHT THIS TIME!

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« Reply #786 on: January 05, 2013, 08:07:55 AM »
Comparison videos won't make us hear something that's not there. 

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« Reply #787 on: January 05, 2013, 08:08:43 AM »
Fuck it. Be back in a bit, fellas.

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« Reply #788 on: January 05, 2013, 08:10:44 AM »
I'd like Wither more if the solo wasn't directly ripped from Queen.

It's very obviously in Brian May's style, but it's not directly ripped from anything.
I swear, DTF is like the boy who cried wolf when it comes to plagiarism claims. :P

Go listen to the Bohemian Rhapsody solo and then Wither's and then tell me that last part isn't directly from BR.

Oh thanks, because I've never heard of this obscure little song before.

As I said, obviously inspired by it (I wouldn't even question that), but nothing is directly ripped at all.
They both have two series of ascending melodies, with the second being slightly higher, but they're not the same notes, they're not the same progression, and they're not the same rhythm. That pretty much blows away the notion of directly ripped.
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

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« Reply #789 on: January 05, 2013, 09:30:11 AM »
You know what? Screw you guys. I was making a super awesome comparison video that I probably wouldn't be able to post anyway, and Movie Maker crashed. So fuck it. I'm too lazy to do it again, and I didn't save it because bosk is a turd sandwich.

Blob, you're right, they aren't entirely the same, but they're so fucking similar that i can't help but think of Bohemian Rhapsody when listening to Wither.

So I don't listen to Wither.





SO THERE!

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« Reply #790 on: January 05, 2013, 09:37:47 AM »
Translation:

I was working on my super awesome "This is the internet and I must prove I am right, damn it" video, and then, upon further review after listening some more, I realized that I am not right.

It's okay, man.  We're here for ya. :hat

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« Reply #791 on: January 05, 2013, 09:43:30 AM »
Your translator is broken.

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« Reply #792 on: January 05, 2013, 09:56:16 AM »
OK.
Hef is right on all things. Except for when I disagree with him. In which case he's probably still right.

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« Reply #793 on: January 05, 2013, 09:57:57 AM »
FINE I'LL MAKE THE VIDEO AGAIN!


JUST YOU WAIT!

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« Reply #794 on: January 05, 2013, 10:20:29 AM »
Translation:

I was working on my super awesome "This is the internet and I must prove I am right, damn it" video, and then, upon further review after listening some more, I realized that I am not right.

It's okay, man.  We're here for ya. :hat
:lol
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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« Reply #795 on: January 05, 2013, 10:23:28 AM »

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« Reply #796 on: January 05, 2013, 10:29:45 AM »
I hope you're aware that the Comic Sans font was much more insulting to me than the slob bit. :lol
Only King could mis-spell a LETTER.
Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

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« Reply #797 on: January 05, 2013, 10:30:37 AM »
:biggrin: I'm just glad you watched to the end.

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« Reply #798 on: January 05, 2013, 10:31:45 AM »
Zook, come on, man.  Don't post those stupid "disclaimers" with your videos.  You're better than that.

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« Reply #799 on: January 05, 2013, 10:31:52 AM »
:rollin
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« Reply #800 on: January 05, 2013, 10:32:13 AM »
:biggrin: I'm just glad you watched to the end.

You had my full, undivided attention for all 55 seconds, chum.
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« Reply #801 on: January 05, 2013, 10:32:32 AM »
Zook, come on, man.  Don't post those stupid "disclaimers" with your videos.  You're better than that.

A few of my vids have already been taken down, so it's a precaution thing.

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« Reply #802 on: January 05, 2013, 10:39:04 AM »
:biggrin: I'm just glad you watched to the end.

You had my full, undivided attention for all 55 seconds, chum.

Who are you calling a chump, chimp!

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« Reply #803 on: January 05, 2013, 11:20:57 AM »
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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« Reply #804 on: January 05, 2013, 11:22:37 AM »
Zook, come on, man.  Don't post those stupid "disclaimers" with your videos.  You're better than that.

A few of my vids have already been taken down, so it's a precaution thing.

Well, a "precaution" would actually keep your videos from being taken down.  "I don't own this music" disclaimers will not do that.  #truestory