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« Reply #385 on: May 28, 2020, 06:28:51 PM »
Considering how much I have read that leads me to believe that Schon is not a good guy, where is his karma?  Helluva guitar player, but seems like a shitty person.  (I don't remember where I read these things, for anyone wanting to ask me what I mean, but it was in numerous different articles and spots)

Somewhere, Steve Perry, who apparently still gets a percentage of what they make when they tour, probably sits at home, laughing and counting his money, and thankful to be away from the drama-fest that is now Journey.

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« Reply #386 on: May 28, 2020, 08:07:22 PM »
Then again, in his segment on Sammy Hagar's show, it was like long lost brothers.   I'm not arguing with you, Kev, but making the point that it's hard to tell, even though there always seems to be drama circling around him. 

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« Reply #387 on: May 28, 2020, 08:23:55 PM »
I think it just depends on who you talk to and when.  There seems to be a lot of drama surrounding Schon, Cain, Valory, and Perry at various times and in various contexts.  I'm not sure any of those 4 are completely innocent, but I'm equally not sure any of them are truly "bad" guys either.
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« Reply #388 on: May 29, 2020, 12:18:16 AM »
Can't Tame A Lion is an excellent album cut.
Agreed, great guitar solo too. Trial by Fire is a really strong album.

"Arrival" is also such a great album over all.  I still feel that Steve Augeri was the better replacement for Perry than Arnel Pineda.
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« Reply #389 on: May 29, 2020, 01:02:29 AM »
I think it just depends on who you talk to and when.  There seems to be a lot of drama surrounding Schon, Cain, Valory, and Perry at various times and in various contexts.  I'm not sure any of those 4 are completely innocent, but I'm equally not sure any of them are truly "bad" guys either.

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« Reply #390 on: May 29, 2020, 12:17:20 PM »
Then again, in his segment on Sammy Hagar's show, it was like long lost brothers.   I'm not arguing with you, Kev, but making the point that it's hard to tell, even though there always seems to be drama circling around him.

Is Perry to whom you are referring? If so, I don't doubt it, as I am sure he was a monster pain in the ass with wanting to do things his way and steering the band in a direction maybe the others weren't wild about, ala Dennis DeYoung. 

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« Reply #391 on: May 29, 2020, 12:41:04 PM »
And he kinda held the band and their schedule hostage back when he was dealing with his hip issues way back when, and apparently didn't and still doesn't see how or why that was a problem.
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« Reply #392 on: May 29, 2020, 01:29:04 PM »
And he kinda held the band and their schedule hostage back when he was dealing with his hip issues way back when, and apparently didn't and still doesn't see how or why that was a problem.

If Perry is to be believed, he couldn’t tour with his pain at the time and wanted to get his hip fixed and then go tour. If Schon or Cain had an issue which hindered their performance would it have been any different?

I understand the idea of capitalizing on the momentum of their reunion at the time but what was Perry to do?
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« Reply #393 on: May 29, 2020, 03:39:15 PM »
I understand the idea of capitalizing on the momentum of their reunion at the time but what was Perry to do?
I don't know...maybe get the operation done?    ;)

From what I remember, he was dragging his feet on doing it, which is why Schon and Cain ultimately decided to move on without Perry.
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« Reply #394 on: May 29, 2020, 03:43:57 PM »
I understand the idea of capitalizing on the momentum of their reunion at the time but what was Perry to do?
I don't know...maybe get the operation done?    ;)

From what I remember, he was dragging his feet on doing, which is why Schon and Cain ultimately decided to move on without Perry.

Yeah, exactly.  I don't fault him for the fact that he needed time off to take care of it.  But I don't think he disputes the story about how it actually went down, which was:  It dragged on for years, and he kept putting off getting it taken care of, and he eventually put the band on hold completely.  When the band approached him and asked for some (any) sort of timeline, he declined to give one and just said he would do it when he was ready to do it. 

Again, I don't fault him for the health issue, or for wanting to take care of it.  But I do fault him for having everyone else (band, crew, management, etc.) put their lives on hold seemingly indefinitely without giving any sort of timeline.
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« Reply #395 on: May 29, 2020, 05:20:12 PM »
I don't know how many people here have read it (I'm sure at least some of you...in fact it may have been posted at some point in this page).  But Matt Carty's interview with Journey's manager Herbie Herbert is absolutely one of the most intriguing interviews I have ever read about any band.   It's extremely long.  You'd need to pull up a chair for awhile to read it all, but I promise it's worth it. 

This is a link to the archived interview, which in in four parts.   I almost wish I could just post it, but that would be an incredibly long post. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20070127121512/http:/members.cox.net/mrcarty/

EDIT - Basically, it gives a ton of history into the drama, clashes, and personalities of the players involved.   
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« Reply #396 on: May 29, 2020, 06:28:04 PM »
Link wasn’t working for me. Is it the same one as this?

https://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/herbieherbert.html

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« Reply #397 on: May 29, 2020, 07:22:10 PM »
Link wasn’t working for me. Is it the same one as this?

https://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/herbieherbert.html

No...but if you read this really quick, it references the interview in my link. Not sure why it’s not working for you. I’m getting on both my computer and my phone.
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« Reply #398 on: May 29, 2020, 08:55:31 PM »
I don't know how many people here have read it (I'm sure at least some of you...in fact it may have been posted at some point in this page).  But Matt Carty's interview with Journey's manager Herbie Herbert is absolutely one of the most intriguing interviews I have ever read about any band.   It's extremely long.  You'd need to pull up a chair for awhile to read it all, but I promise it's worth it. 

This is a link to the archived interview, which in in four parts.   I almost wish I could just post it, but that would be an incredibly long post. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20070127121512/http:/members.cox.net/mrcarty/

EDIT - Basically, it gives a ton of history into the drama, clashes, and personalities of the players involved.
Wow, it's a big interview! I read just some of it, very interesting... Herbie's perpective seems heavy against Steve Perry. Anyway, I found interesting that apparently "Raised on Radio" was meant to be "Freedom" and that album was recorded by Smith and Valory. Does this version exist and is archived somewhere?
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« Reply #399 on: May 29, 2020, 09:10:54 PM »
What I got out of it was that the PLAN was for that, and the artwork/packaging/schedule/promotion were planned out far in advance, but Steve Perry forced the game change before they could actually write or record *that* album and ROR happened instead.
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« Reply #400 on: May 29, 2020, 09:23:18 PM »
Thanks for the response! I asked that because of this part of your interview, where Herbie said (http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/page13.html):
"... I'm sitting there with Neal Schon, Jon Cain, and Steve Perry.  They inform me, 'We're struggling, and Steve doesn't feel right about these recordings.'  And I go, 'All the tracks are finished!'  'Yeah, he doesn't like them.  He wants to replace Smith and Valory.' ..." maybe just demos?
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« Reply #401 on: May 29, 2020, 09:27:09 PM »
Link wasn’t working for me. Is it the same one as this?

https://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/herbieherbert.html

No...but if you read this really quick, it references the interview in my link. Not sure why it’s not working for you. I’m getting on both my computer and my phone.

So the text was so small on my phone when I opened it I didn’t even see the links to the different parts of the interview. I’ve read the melodic rock interview several times in the past, but wasn’t sure if what you posted was something different or not.

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« Reply #402 on: May 29, 2020, 10:00:26 PM »
Thanks for the response! I asked that because of this part of your interview, where Herbie said (http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/page13.html):
"... I'm sitting there with Neal Schon, Jon Cain, and Steve Perry.  They inform me, 'We're struggling, and Steve doesn't feel right about these recordings.'  And I go, 'All the tracks are finished!'  'Yeah, he doesn't like them.  He wants to replace Smith and Valory.' ..." maybe just demos?

I’ve read the interview a couple of times, but my last read hasn’t been in a few years. But that sounds about right.
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« Reply #403 on: May 30, 2020, 09:28:00 AM »
I don't know how many people here have read it (I'm sure at least some of you...in fact it may have been posted at some point in this page).  But Matt Carty's interview with Journey's manager Herbie Herbert is absolutely one of the most intriguing interviews I have ever read about any band.   It's extremely long.  You'd need to pull up a chair for awhile to read it all, but I promise it's worth it. 

This is a link to the archived interview, which in in four parts.   I almost wish I could just post it, but that would be an incredibly long post. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20070127121512/http:/members.cox.net/mrcarty/

EDIT - Basically, it gives a ton of history into the drama, clashes, and personalities of the players involved.

interesting read for sure.  seems Herbie was the real reason the band ever became successful.

I was intrigued by the notations that Rush ripped off the song "Nickel and Dime" (Tom Sawyer) and Kansas ripped off the song "I'm Gonna Leave You" (Carry on my Wayward Son).
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« Reply #404 on: May 30, 2020, 09:33:33 AM »


I was intrigued by the notations that Rush ripped off the song "Nickel and Dime" (Tom Sawyer) and Kansas ripped off the song "I'm Gonna Leave You" (Carry on my Wayward Son).

I remember hearing that Schon talked about that live a few years ago. Given how desperate he is for money to pay alimony to his dozen ex-wives :lol, I am sure he was probably trying to find a way to sue.

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« Reply #405 on: May 30, 2020, 09:44:13 AM »


I was intrigued by the notations that Rush ripped off the song "Nickel and Dime" (Tom Sawyer) and Kansas ripped off the song "I'm Gonna Leave You" (Carry on my Wayward Son).

I remember hearing that Schon talked about that live a few years ago. Given how desperate he is for money to pay alimony to his dozen ex-wives :lol, I am sure he was probably trying to find a way to sue.

This was asserted in the Time 3 booklet as well (the Kansas and Rush references, not the alimony part!). The Kansas one has always seemed pretty apparent. The Rush one is a little more subliminal (it’s there it’s just not obvious). I doubt either band intentionally ripped Journey off, but I suppose it’s possible they were aware of those tracks and that influenced them in some way.

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« Reply #406 on: August 15, 2020, 08:10:13 PM »
From Journey/Neal Schon Facebook: 

08-11
"Dear Friends
Our single will be coming out in about 3 1/2 weeks ! It’s a Rocker and built for the Times. There’s a new Strut / Attitude with Randy and Narada.
Neal ☝🏽🕶"

08-12
"A lot of exciting things going on  friends !
New music !
New sites !
New Swag !
It’s all Happening !
Great times ahead !
“UNIVERSE” COMING SOON JUST IN TIME FOR CHRISTMAS 🎄
Thank you for your continued support 🙏🏽
Love & Respect
Neal"

Very exciting news indeed! Despite all the internal problems, I like very much all Journey's post-Perry output (the only exception is the Red EP).
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« Reply #407 on: August 16, 2020, 02:30:32 PM »
Post-Perry era (and, actually, post-Frontiers) has been hit and miss for me.  But that's okay with me.  Most albums have at least a couple of songs I really like, so it's cool.  Neal and Jon are great musicians and songwriters, so odds are that there will be something I dig.
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« Reply #408 on: August 16, 2020, 04:48:58 PM »
Finally I bought the live in Japan Escape + Frontiers and I watched it yesterday. Really a great blu-ray, with a great performance of those amazing albums and Steve Smith's playing is mesmerizing at that show! (like Ross said in the booklet, once he was the "machine gun", but now he's "the magician"). Although Journey made a lot of very good albums, after watching/hearing again Escape and Frontiers, I think they never made anything at the same level since then (also before IMO).
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« Reply #409 on: August 16, 2020, 05:25:02 PM »
The public drama has just killed this band for me. The crappy way they split with JSS, the public feud between NS and JC followed by NS’s public threat to break the band up and form a new group called JRNY, the supposed “coup” resulting in the firing of RV and SS...not to mention JC starting to get a bit heavy handed with his lyrics (form a Christian side project for it. It doesn’t belong in Journey)

I’ve lost all my steam for this band.

Although I would pay big bucks for a home video release of NS’ reunion show with Gregg...did that show end up happening? Or was that something that ended up on the COVID chopping block?
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« Reply #410 on: August 17, 2020, 08:54:35 AM »
As long as they put out another good record (hopefully) I couldn't care less about the drama.
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« Reply #411 on: August 17, 2020, 09:50:52 AM »
Always excited to hear new Journey.

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« Reply #412 on: September 15, 2020, 09:26:52 AM »
It's been over a month since NS's post about a new song. I'm anxious to hear it.

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« Reply #413 on: April 02, 2021, 10:15:45 AM »
Looks like Smith/Valory and Schon/Cain settled their recent legal curfuffle.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/journey-settles-with-steve-smith-and-ross-valory-over-alleged-corporate-coup-detat/

Earlier today, JOURNEY's management, Q Prime, released the following statement: "The members of the band JOURNEY who were parties to a recent lawsuit (Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain, Steve Smith and Ross Valory) are pleased to announce that they have resolved their differences and reached an amicable settlement agreement. Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain acknowledge the valuable contributions that both Ross Valory and Steve Smith have made to the music and the legacy of JOURNEY. Ross Valory and Steve Smith wish their former bandmates well and much success in the future. JOURNEY looks forward to continuing to tour and make new music for their dedicated fans around the world."

The wording of that press release was probably a term of the settlement, but at least that mess is behind everyone.

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« Reply #414 on: April 02, 2021, 11:19:43 AM »
I saw the thread bumped and I got excited for new music. Crap.

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« Reply #415 on: April 02, 2021, 06:59:36 PM »
I saw the thread bumped and I got excited for new music. Crap.


They do have a new album in the can - won't be too long for new music
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« Reply #416 on: April 02, 2021, 07:34:30 PM »
Looks like Smith/Valory and Schon/Cain settled their recent legal curfuffle.

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/journey-settles-with-steve-smith-and-ross-valory-over-alleged-corporate-coup-detat/

Earlier today, JOURNEY's management, Q Prime, released the following statement: "The members of the band JOURNEY who were parties to a recent lawsuit (Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain, Steve Smith and Ross Valory) are pleased to announce that they have resolved their differences and reached an amicable settlement agreement. Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain acknowledge the valuable contributions that both Ross Valory and Steve Smith have made to the music and the legacy of JOURNEY. Ross Valory and Steve Smith wish their former bandmates well and much success in the future. JOURNEY looks forward to continuing to tour and make new music for their dedicated fans around the world."

The wording of that press release was probably a term of the settlement, but at least that mess is behind everyone.

HAHAHA, good call.  :)

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« Reply #417 on: April 02, 2021, 10:37:18 PM »
Although I would pay big bucks for a home video release of NS’ reunion show with Gregg...did that show end up happening? Or was that something that ended up on the COVID chopping block?
Are you talking about this?
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The wording of that press release was probably a term of the settlement, but at least that mess is behind everyone.
HAHAHA, good call.  :)
Absolutely. Would be interesting to know exactly what happened, but I doubt that we'll ever know unless there's an unauthorized Journey book that comes out and figures it out.
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« Reply #418 on: April 02, 2021, 11:34:52 PM »
 :omg:

It’s fairly simplistic, but it’s multi-camera pro shot. Has that had an official release?
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« Reply #419 on: June 19, 2021, 05:05:57 PM »
According to their Facebook page, a new Journey song will drop Thursday June 24.

Looking forward to it. I still buy everything they release.