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Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« on: May 16, 2011, 02:13:56 PM »
https://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/16/stephen-hawking-dismisses-idea-of-a-universal-creator-calls-heaven-a-fairy-story/

Stephen Hawking dismisses idea of a universal creator, calls heaven a ‘fairy story’

LONDON (AFP) – British scientist Stephen Hawking has branded heaven a "fairy story" for people afraid of the dark, in his latest dismissal of the concepts underpinning the world's religions.

The author of 1988 international best-seller "A Brief History of Time" said in an interview with The Guardian published on Monday that his views were partly influenced by his battle with motor neurone disease.

"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he told the newspaper.

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."

Hawking's stance on religion has hardened significantly in the nearly quarter century since the publication of his seminal work on the cosmos.

In "A Brief History of Time" he suggested that the idea of a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe.

But in his 2010 book "The Grand Design" he said a deity no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the universe in the light of a series of developments in physics.

Hawking has achieved worldwide fame for his research, writing and television documentaries despite suffering since the age of 21 from motor neurone disease that has left him disabled and dependent on a voice synthesiser.




If i can add my own opinion here... One of the books i read while going through my period of discovery was A Brief History of Time which i loved and shared with a few people. Hawking is one of the most brilliant people to ever live and he's been a personal hero of mine for a long time. I even wrote about him in my psychology class this semester, the question was "Who is a hero to you and why?" So seeing that he EXACTLY agrees with my outlook on religion... Makes me  ;D just a little bit!

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2011, 02:35:14 PM »
Well now it's abundantly clear: God sent Hawking down to Earth to test our faith.

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2011, 02:36:47 PM »
Yet another reason why Hawking cannot be taken seriously.
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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 02:38:17 PM »
Yet another reason why Hawking cannot be taken seriously.

or SHOULD be taken seriously.  :tup

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2011, 02:45:18 PM »
Yet another reason why Hawking cannot be taken seriously.

I guess this disproves the existence of black holes.
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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2011, 02:48:34 PM »
Well now it's abundantly clear: God sent Hawking down to Earth to test our faith.
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Yet another reason why Hawking cannot be taken seriously.
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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 02:57:59 PM »
Well now it's abundantly clear: God sent Hawking down to Earth to test our faith.

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2011, 03:05:21 PM »
How interesting. He cites his physical condition as a partial cause of his disbelief. 

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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2011, 03:21:44 PM »
I don't think I can particularly blame him. I'm not sure what God it would be that would condemn a man to such a life of physical misery.

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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2011, 03:24:09 PM »
I don't think I can particularly blame him. I'm not sure what God it would be that would condemn a man to such a life of physical misery.

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Understandable. But it wasn't his extensive research alone that led him to atheism, but a base philosophical objection: the problem of evil.

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2011, 03:27:08 PM »
I don't think I can particularly blame him. I'm not sure what God it would be that would condemn a man to such a life of physical misery.

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I'd assume one that doesn't get involved in things like that.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 03:28:23 PM »
True. But once you chip away at those things it's not a big step to rejecting the whole thing in the first place.

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2011, 03:30:29 PM »
True. But once you chip away at those things it's not a big step to rejecting the whole thing in the first place.

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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2011, 03:31:44 PM »
Not sure I follow, Adami.

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2011, 03:39:17 PM »
But in his 2010 book "The Grand Design" he said a deity no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the universe in the light of a series of developments in physics.

I'd be interested in seeing exactly what developments he's talking about, but I'm too cheep to buy his book.

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2011, 03:39:45 PM »
Not sure I follow, Adami.

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Well if god has to have a hand in every day life, that is a prerequisite to being god. If god doesn't have to have any involvement, then one could believe in god whilst being in such a condition as Dr. Hawking.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2011, 03:43:46 PM »
This might or might not be a non-sequitur to your post, but is it clear whether he simply rejects the existing notions of God (Christian, Islam, Hindi etc.), or whether he rejects all notions of a Creator? The wording "fairy tales" seems to indicate he's more talking about existing notions. Because as an astronomer I can't see him categorically rejecting the notion of something having put the universe into place.

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2011, 03:50:45 PM »
This might or might not be a non-sequitur to your post, but is it clear whether he simply rejects the existing notions of God (Christian, Islam, Hindi etc.), or whether he rejects all notions of a Creator? The wording "fairy tales" seems to indicate he's more talking about existing notions. Because as an astronomer I can't see him categorically rejecting the notion of something having put the universe into place.

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2011, 04:02:14 PM »
@OP: Who cares?

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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2011, 04:07:58 PM »
@OP: Who cares?

me and i'm guessing other people who are replying in this thread.

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2011, 05:25:34 PM »
Yet another reason why Hawking cannot be taken seriously.
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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2011, 05:31:25 PM »
Yet another reason why Hawking cannot be taken seriously.
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2011, 05:40:04 PM »
Yet another reason why Hawking cannot be taken seriously.
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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2011, 06:15:26 PM »
And after a lifetime in physics Albert Einstein came to the conclusion that there must be a Divine Creator.  Who to believe?

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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2011, 06:15:32 PM »
Yet another reason why Hawking cannot be taken seriously.
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2011, 06:31:00 PM »
And after a lifetime in physics Albert Einstein came to the conclusion that there must be a Divine Creator.  Who to believe?
Einstein was retarded.  ::)

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2011, 06:37:01 PM »
@OP: Who cares?


Who cares about any of the other religious threads on this board? Seriously. If you don't have anything to contribute don't post

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2011, 06:37:55 PM »
And after a lifetime in physics Albert Einstein came to the conclusion that there must be a Divine Creator.  Who to believe?

This isn't true.
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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2011, 07:21:45 PM »
Just because he got neurosis he blames the one creator and not the devil character.
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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2011, 07:27:11 PM »
Just because he got neurosis he blames the one creator and not the devil character.

the guy who punishes bad people? :neverusethis:

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2011, 07:57:35 PM »
And after a lifetime in physics Albert Einstein came to the conclusion that there must be a Divine Creator.  Who to believe?

This isn't true.

Yeah, that's one of the apocryphal stories that never happened. I think there's a similar story about Newton. All too common to try to claim someone influential for your own camp by saying he "defected".

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2011, 08:00:36 PM »
If steven hawking is so great let's see him do jumping jacks...

But in all seriousness it sounds like since he came on to one possibility he makes it out to be the only possibility. Of course I may be wrong but thats just what it looks like to me.

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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2011, 08:04:13 PM »
But in all seriousness it sounds like since he came on to one possibility he makes it out to be the only possibility. Of course I may be wrong but thats just what it looks like to me.

I'd be surprised if he did.  Hawking is often misrepresented, due in large part to the fact that a lot of the people quoting him for their "mainstream consumption" articles are ignorant of the topics he's addressing.  And there's always potential for confusion when trying to translate scientific opinions into layman's terms.

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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2011, 08:06:58 PM »
Wouldn't be the first time that Hawking got misquoted, yeah.

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Re: Hawking Says "There is no God. Heaven is a fairy tale."
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2011, 08:14:13 PM »
Yet another reason why Hawking cannot be taken seriously.
>Someone has a viewpoint that disagrees with mine
>I CAN'T TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY AT ALL

Yeah, okay.  But seriously, why should anyone take seriously someone who simply wishes away reality?
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