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The Mike Mangini Thread (Thanks & Farewell)

Started by Progmetty, April 29, 2011, 06:32:13 PM

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I'm happy they went with Mangini, are you?

Fuck yeah!
Cool, whatever.
No

ReaperKK

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on October 14, 2024, 11:14:56 AMOnly insofar as JP was the "money guy" in the band (and always has been).  If it had to do with logistics on tour (which is what I recall), then that is about money in the band member's pockets. 

Not an opposite power dynamic of "I'm JP and you're not, so do what I say".

That's the way that I see it.  And I am a big Mangini fan.

I'm probably misremembering but I think I remember MM saying that he scaled his kit down simply because it made more financial and logistical sense when touring.

Schurftkut

nah you remembered that correctly. Simple as that really

TAC

Quote from: ReaperKK on October 15, 2024, 07:12:46 AMI'm probably misremembering but I think I remember MM saying that he scaled his kit down simply because it made more financial and logistical sense when touring.

AKA JP said so.  ;D
Quote from: wkiml on June 08, 2012, 09:06:35 AMwould have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Quote from: Stadler on February 08, 2025, 12:49:43 PMI wouldn't argue this.

TheBarstoolWarrior

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Quote from: ReaperKK on October 15, 2024, 07:12:46 AMI'm probably misremembering but I think I remember MM saying that he scaled his kit down simply because it made more financial and logistical sense when touring.

I think that does make perfect sense. They could demand Portnoy bring a vastly scaled rig on tour in a week from now since it should save a few bucks there too. Fewer pieces of gear should equal simpler and cheaper across the board no?

It is what it is at the end of the day. I have no problem concluding JP had rational objectives in mind. My only point was the difference in power dynamic between ordering your 'permanent member' what to do with his rig vs trying that with someone who is way more outspoken who is also a founding member. As someone else mentioned we'll see how MPs role evolves going forward.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

TheBarstoolWarrior

Quote from: Stadler on October 15, 2024, 06:39:08 AMIronically, to me, for all the rah-rah for Mangini, and how he was underutilized and all that (don't agree, by the way) the leadership question is probably the best argument FOR Portnoy to return. I've been saying since 2012 that "locker room", the interaction of the players, is important and not something that can be assessed by those not also in the "locker room".  There's no mystery that not everyone can do every thing, and not everyone performs to the same level regardless of who is around them.

None of this is to say John is "incapable", that's not it. But there's a dynamic. It could be as simple as the "confidence" of knowing you have someone as capable at your back, or it could be as intricate as the actual input.

It's really interesting to listen to the "absolutism" that so many have about dynamic things like interpersonal interactions, especially over the years.  You - we - have NO IDEA what was going through anyone's head - especially John's.  Things DO evolve over time.  I love my wife.  LOVE her. We're solid, we're great together, but there are things I don't go to her for.  I just don't.  I might ask her input at the start, but if I know it's one of those things that she'll spin around the axle on, I'll just go do it.  Conversely, I know there are things I just don't do because I KNOW she wants a level of involvement that I can't deliver on.  I can ABSOLUTELY see, over 10 years time, having an opinion that "we have to limit Mike Mangini's drums; it will be a rabbit hole we'll never get out of if we don't."  Or "I'd love to have more involvement from our drummer, but I can't get into a "should it be 17/16 or 35/32 time?" discussion every single song."  This is all speculation, I get it, like everyone else, and NONE of this is a dig on Mike Mangini.  AT ALL.  It's about fit.  Anyone ever date someone that you thought was physical perfection, but for whatever reason there just wasn't the same spark as that person you're carrying a torch for (and have since high school)? 

I could go on.  My step son; I love him dearly, like a son, but he's on the spectrum and I have to serve his plates because his "portion control" switch isn't where it should be. We're working on it, but whereas I can do family style dinners with everyone else, we have to take a different approach to my step son. It just is what it is. Doesn't mean he's not a great kid or I don't love him. It's the practicality of the day-to-day.


I don't disagree. I get the reasons why MPs return make total sense. It's actually hard to ignore some of these reasons if you go on their instagram. Tickets are selling like hot cakes.

Do I like what it means musically? I quite hate it actually, but I am keeping the faith for a quality album in Feb. That aside I don't blame JP for his decision. If he were the CEO (by the way, is he?) his company's stock would be up 200% right now.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

Eroma

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 15, 2024, 10:22:13 AMI don't disagree. I get the reasons why MPs return make total sense. It's actually hard to ignore some of these reasons if you go on their instagram. Tickets are selling like hot cakes.

Do I like what it means musically? I quite hate it actually, but I am keeping the faith for a quality album in Feb. That aside I don't blame JP for his decision. If he were the CEO (by the way, is he?) his company's stock would be up 200% right now.

That totally describes how I feel about it too. Hearing the new single: $$$ Musically I miss the genius of MM. He'll be missed and I really hope the rest of the album is a lot better.

TheOutlawXanadu

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 15, 2024, 10:22:13 AMI don't disagree. I get the reasons why MPs return make total sense. It's actually hard to ignore some of these reasons if you go on their instagram. Tickets are selling like hot cakes.

Do I like what it means musically? I quite hate it actually, but I am keeping the faith for a quality album in Feb. That aside I don't blame JP for his decision. If he were the CEO (by the way, is he?) his company's stock would be up 200% right now.
A short ways back, someone actually dug through the public records, and I think I saw JM is actually the CEO of the Majesty organization? I could be wrong, but I did find that really funny. Quiet, unassuming JM is actually the one calling all the shots. :lol

Stadler

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 15, 2024, 10:22:13 AMI don't disagree. I get the reasons why MPs return make total sense. It's actually hard to ignore some of these reasons if you go on their instagram. Tickets are selling like hot cakes.

Do I like what it means musically? I quite hate it actually, but I am keeping the faith for a quality album in Feb. That aside I don't blame JP for his decision. If he were the CEO (by the way, is he?) his company's stock would be up 200% right now.

Respect, and I'm sure you get it, but for anyone else reading, I'm not limiting it to just tangible "business" things like "tickets". I'm primarily talking about the visceral feeling of the day-to-day interactions. 

TheBarstoolWarrior

Cool MM social media content with my favorite part of Fall Into the Light:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jy7HfTgZqo
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

Max Kuehnau

Quote from: Eroma on October 18, 2024, 04:11:43 AMThat totally describes how I feel about it too. Hearing the new single: $$$ Musically I miss the genius of MM. He'll be missed and I really hope the rest of the album is a lot better.
highly unlikely
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

Stadler

No offense, Max, but it's a self-fulfilling prophecy to a degree. if you expect it to suck, if you go in with the mindset it's going to suck, the odds are, for you, it's going to suck.

Max Kuehnau

I mean, yeah possibly. (I had to google self fulfilling prophecy btw, weird term, completely unfamiliar concept to me, that's why)
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

TheBarstoolWarrior

So best drum performance, hardest in the MM era?

Outcry? AVFTTOTW?
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

Max Kuehnau

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 21, 2024, 09:24:53 AMSo best drum performance, hardest in the MM era?

Outcry? AVFTTOTW?
View easily. Outcry is hard to play too though.
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

TheBarstoolWarrior

Quote from: Max Kuehnau on October 21, 2024, 09:26:27 AMView easily. Outcry is hard to play too though.

Poly rhythm special on View. I have to listen to outcry again, I remember him talking about that having a lot of dense material.

Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

Max Kuehnau

it does, yes, similar concept, similarly dense, as interesting
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

lightningbolt

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 21, 2024, 09:24:53 AMSo best drum performance, hardest in the MM era?

Outcry? AVFTTOTW?

Non musician, but my favorite Mangini era drum part is the one on Pale Blue Dot.  That smoked on the album and live.  I have no idea what is the hardest, so I'll defer to others there.

TheBarstoolWarrior

I think it's fitting his last song was View. It's as though he wanted his final act to be this big beautiful epic with his most intricate DT drum work.

It's like Beethoven leaving us with Symphony 9 as the last masterpiece. The mind of a rhythmic genius - a Mangenius to be precise - left us a departing gift that will never be topped in DT.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

Max Kuehnau

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it is that now, but I doubt that he knew he would be replaced two years later (not right then anyway)
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

Uncle Rico

How many of you think Portnoy rejoining the band was strictly a financial decision? Especially after how unsuccessful the Dreamsonic tour was.

TheBarstoolWarrior

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 21, 2024, 10:31:33 AMHow many of you think Portnoy rejoining the band was strictly a financial decision? Especially after how unsuccessful the Dreamsonic tour was.

I don't think it was strictly financial. I think the friends and family aspect was the necessary ground work but that the commercial performance of the Astonishing tour, Tour from the Top and DreamSonic opened the door for MP to walk through. So to answer your question I don't think it was DreamSonic Per se. I think it was the last straw in a trend that took place over a few years.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

CodyWanKenobi

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 21, 2024, 10:31:33 AMHow many of you think Portnoy rejoining the band was strictly a financial decision? Especially after how unsuccessful the Dreamsonic tour was.
Definitely don't think it was STRICTLY financial. I think that was definitely an added benefit, but I truly think they just wanted to get the gang back together and make music. They're getting old, they've had incredible careers, and MP is super close with them, especially after he mended fences with everyone. They all became adults together, three of them married three members of an all female band, they all started families at the same time, MP and JP's kids are room mates... you can't pretend like this all doesn't exist and say it's just financial.



But yeah, the financial aspect probably didn't hurt. lol.
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TheBarstoolWarrior

Just look at what we were discussing at time of DreamSonic and compare that to the success of the 40th anniversary. There's little chance none of that was seriously considered.
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

Stadler

I think Cody has it right.  It was an added benefit and didn't work against it. I don't think it was any more than that.

TheHoveringSojourn808

Quote from: TheBarstoolWarrior on October 21, 2024, 09:51:38 AMI think it's fitting his last song was View. It's as though he wanted his final act to be this big beautiful epic with his most intricate DT drum work.

It's like Beethoven leaving us with Symphony 9 as the last masterpiece. The mind of a rhythmic genius - a Mangenius to be precise - left us a departing gift that will never be topped in DT.

Seeing them play it live was so fucking cool
I'm never sleeping in a teepee again - Father John Misty

Stadler

You saw them play Beethoven's Ninth?   COOL!

TheHoveringSojourn808

Quote from: Stadler on October 21, 2024, 10:57:52 AMYou saw them play Beethoven's Ninth?   COOL!

:lol

But I meant View (the title track from the last DT album) with Mike Mango - the Mangenius himself
I'm never sleeping in a teepee again - Father John Misty

Max Kuehnau

Quote from: Stadler on October 21, 2024, 10:57:52 AMYou saw them play Beethoven's Ninth?   COOL!
that might have been something  :lol
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

Max Kuehnau

Quote from: lightningbolt on October 21, 2024, 09:48:19 AMNon musician, but my favorite Mangini era drum part is the one on Pale Blue Dot.  That smoked on the album and live.  I have no idea what is the hardest, so I'll defer to others there.
yeah but PBD does have some involved bits as well (that aren't obvious on the surface, as is often the case with him), and you can appreciate what he does and so that's fine with me
All my natural instincts are begging me to stop
But somehow I carry on, heading for the top
A physical absurdity, a tremendous mental game
Helping me understand exactly who I am

Dedalus

Quote from: Stadler on October 21, 2024, 05:21:23 AMNo offense, Max, but it's a self-fulfilling prophecy to a degree. if you expect it to suck, if you go in with the mindset it's going to suck, the odds are, for you, it's going to suck.

You're absolutely right. And this is a two-way road.

Just as we can listen to something with a preconceived notion that it's shit and conclude "it really is shit", I think a considerable number of people already loved the album that we haven't even heard yet, if you know what I mean.

I'll give an example outside of DT so as not to hurt anyone's feelings here: Angra. Edu Falaschi's most devoted fans are so crazy about him (in a similar way to what happens with MP, I would say) and are so deeply pissed off that he's not in Angra, that for a good part of his audience, anything he releases will be spectacular, and anything Angra releases will be trash. Even the songs that haven't been written yet lol.

The hard part is admitting to ourselves how much we are predisposed (or not) to like something due to factors that aren't exactly musical, like affection for band members.

To close with two anecdotal (and true) cases in the world of DT: I witnessed two different people (a stranger on the internet and a guy I know personally) say that now that MP is back in DT, they are starting to listen to and even appreciate records made in his absence. As if they couldn't do that before. The stranger on the internet also said that it is no longer necessary for him to oppose records without MP, since MP is back lol.

Dedalus

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 21, 2024, 10:31:33 AMHow many of you think Portnoy rejoining the band was strictly a financial decision? Especially after how unsuccessful the Dreamsonic tour was.

The family and friendship aspects mentioned are an important part, I believe. But I also don't think that the financial aspect of the "return of the messiah" is just a pleasant side effect. A very romantic view, I would say.

Something in between.

TheBarstoolWarrior

Yup. This is how these guys make their living. I can't imagine they're all like 'oh hey the ship is taking on water but whatever, I just want to play with Mike again and that's all that matters! I don't care what the fan reaction is I don't care what the turnout becomes or how much longer we can go on booking the same size venues, I just need Mike back ASAP!'

Mr business John Petrucci is the money guy when it comes to beard oil and whisky but when it comes to you know the 800 pound gorilla in the zoo he just becomes a big romantic sentimental teddy bear and major enterprise level issues become chump change  :lol
Disclaimer: All opinions stated are my own unless otherwise specified. I do not personally know any present or former members of DT. From time to time where the context is or should be obvious, I may decline to explicitly label my words as opinion. I cannot predict the future.

Nachtmerrie

I think (and hope) the main reason was history and personal relationships. They might have felt the magic of the past during Terminal Velocity and LTE-3. Additionally they knew what Portnoy brings to the table in terms of fan engagement, songwriting and other stuff. The financial element might have added a little but would have been the most difficult to predict. Even they can be surprised about the sales for this tour but the real question is if it continues over the next few years. The response to the new album could be decisive if the rise of ticketsales is longterm or just a high number of fans that want to see the MP-return tour.

Schurftkut

JP really doesn't like change, but he should try having JLB in hear in-ears more often and learn reality.

Schurftkut

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