The surprising lack of prepositions.

73109 · April 28, 2011, 02:25:57 PM

So maybe this is like the "on accident" or "by accident" thread, but there has been something I have been noticing in the way people talk that bothers me. This little thing is the complete lack of the word "with" in sentences. I can't tell you how many times I should start my homework after I've "done my test." Or when I'm "done my school work," I can read. These are coming out of teachers with degrees English teachers, no less. Am I missing something here?

7StringedBeast · April 28, 2011, 02:27:16 PM

There is nothing wrong with saying "when you've done your work"

Jamesman42 · April 28, 2011, 02:28:12 PM

Wat?

sonatafanica · April 28, 2011, 02:28:46 PM

Done is used like "completed" in that instance.

As in all instances, so what's wrong

ScioPath · April 28, 2011, 02:29:53 PM

Done can be used as a transitive verb. "I've done my test." is the same as saying "I've completed my test."

EDIt: Sonata done ninja'd me.

robwebster · April 28, 2011, 02:31:46 PM

Done as in "have you done." Not "are you done," which would require a "with." Two different words. "With" is unnecessary. If not out of place.

Phantasmatron · April 28, 2011, 02:32:03 PM

Quote from: 73109 on April 28, 2011, 02:25:57 PM
Am I missing something here?

Yup.

ScioPath · April 28, 2011, 02:32:45 PM

Why is this a thread?

73109 · April 28, 2011, 02:33:43 PM

It just sounds wrong to me. One you are done with you work flows much better than when you've done your work...eh, whatever.

Jamesman42 · April 28, 2011, 02:36:32 PM

Quote from: 73109 on April 28, 2011, 02:33:43 PM
One you are done with you work flows much better than when you've done your work...eh, whatever.

Whargarbl troll?

robwebster · April 28, 2011, 02:37:09 PM

Quote from: 73109 on April 28, 2011, 02:33:43 PM
It just sounds wrong to me. One you are done with you work flows much better than when you've done your work...eh, whatever.

Think it's probably just 'cause it's what you're more used to. "Once you're done with your work" sounds a little cumbersome from where I'm standing - even though it's perfectly proper.

kári · April 28, 2011, 02:41:53 PM

Present: I do the dishes.
Past perfect: I have done the dishes.

Don't see anything wrong here. Do you seriously consider saying "I've done with my homework"? It sounds like half of a sentence like "See what I've done with my homework" which means something completely different.

73109 · April 28, 2011, 02:45:26 PM

No. I have done my homework, but I am done with my home work. I don't know why I'm weird about this...

robwebster · April 28, 2011, 02:47:54 PM

Hmm. I don't know. I think "done with" is both longer and less specific. "Done with," I'd actually argue, makes it sound a little like you're fed up of the homework. It borrows a little bit from the Soap Opera English Dictionary. "I'm done with all the lies and the treachery," etc. etc. It's synonymous with "through with." "I'm through with watching television," "I'm done with going to school," or what have you. Makes it sound like you've finished forever.

kári · April 28, 2011, 02:54:58 PM

Quote from: 73109 on April 28, 2011, 02:45:26 PM
No. I have done my homework, but I am done with my home work.

Yes, correct. What is the point now?

kári · April 28, 2011, 02:55:57 PM

Quote from: kári on April 28, 2011, 02:54:58 PM
Quote from: 73109 on April 28, 2011, 02:45:26 PM
No. I have done my homework, but I am done with my home work.
Yes, correct. What is the point now?

Quote from: robwebster on April 28, 2011, 02:47:54 PM
Hmm. I don't know. I think "done with" is both longer and less specific. "Done with," I'd actually argue, makes it sound a little like you're fed up of the homework. It borrows a little bit from the Soap Opera English Dictionary. "I'm done with all the lies and the treachery," etc. etc. It's synonymous with "through with." "I'm through with watching television," "I'm done with going to school," or what have you. Makes it sound like you've finished forever.

It does when you put a continuous sense behind it, as in "I'm done with doing homework".

7StringedBeast · April 28, 2011, 03:00:53 PM

I'm fed up with this world!

Ravenheart · April 28, 2011, 03:03:28 PM

Quote from: Phantasmatron on April 28, 2011, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: 73109 on April 28, 2011, 02:25:57 PM
Am I missing something here?

Yup.

setrataeso · April 28, 2011, 03:04:22 PM

I think Cole has not done his homework on this argument.

Aefenwelg · April 28, 2011, 03:13:44 PM

I think everybody in this thread is not comprehending the actual problem.

The problem is people saying stuff like, "Once you are done your homework, blah blah blah"

not, "Once you have done your homework, blah blah blah"

The second one is correct, like everybody has been saying.
The first one should be, "Once you are done with your homework, blah blah blah"

73109 · April 28, 2011, 03:14:56 PM

That's what I'm talking about... $:\$

Ravenheart · April 28, 2011, 03:16:15 PM

Quote from: Aefenwelg on April 28, 2011, 03:13:44 PM
I think everybody in this thread is not comprehending the actual problem.

The problem is people saying stuff like, "Once you are done your homework, blah blah blah"

I can safely say I've never seen anyone do that before, but, erm, ok...

jsem · April 28, 2011, 03:16:27 PM

Who says "once you are done your homework"?

That is just retarded.

73109 · April 28, 2011, 03:17:19 PM

I have no problem saying when you have done your work, it is when you are done your work that pisses me off.

Adami · April 28, 2011, 03:17:51 PM

Quote from: 73109 on April 28, 2011, 03:17:19 PM
I have no problem saying when you have done your work, it is when you are done your work that pisses me off.

I have never heard anyone say "When you are done your work" in my life.

Jamesman42 · April 28, 2011, 03:20:49 PM

Quote from: Adami on April 28, 2011, 03:17:51 PM
Quote from: 73109 on April 28, 2011, 03:17:19 PM
I have no problem saying when you have done your work, it is when you are done your work that pisses me off.

I have never heard anyone say "When you are done your work" in my life.

Yeah, it sounds so wrong.

7StringedBeast · April 28, 2011, 03:23:19 PM

Yeah who says when you are done your work? I've never ever heard anyone say that. That's really not correct English at all.

King Postwhore · April 28, 2011, 03:23:36 PM

Numbers, If this bothers you I suggest you focus on what good around you. Nothing good ever comes from nitpicking. So a person isn't literate like others. So what.

ClairvoyantCat · April 28, 2011, 03:25:17 PM

Quote from: 73109 on April 28, 2011, 03:17:19 PM
I have no problem saying when you have done your work, it is when you are done your work that pisses me off.

Well, if teachers actually say this, then by all means, they are wrong. That isn't a lack of "with" as much as it is simply a mixing up of the "have" and "are" verbs. "When you've done your work" would be completely fine. Of course, you could throw in "with" too and justify the "are". But like the others, I've never heard anyone say this example you made.

When I was just learning French that was the first thing that was drilled in to my head by my tutor. The only unnatural thing about that sentence is the placement of "are" as opposed to "have".

Ravenheart · April 28, 2011, 03:27:56 PM

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Ħ · April 28, 2011, 03:51:37 PM

I agree with Cole. You know, I don't think either "on accident" or "by accident" are correct.

ZBomber · April 28, 2011, 03:56:26 PM

DUN DUN DUN

Marvellous G · April 28, 2011, 03:57:35 PM

What annoys me more is people saying, 'are you going London?' WHAT IS WRONG WITH 'TO'

SPNKr · April 28, 2011, 04:09:34 PM

I am done my homework on accident.

Mad now?

Phantasmatron · April 28, 2011, 04:53:13 PM

What I hate is when someone says something like "I've BEEN done my homework." I've noticed that lately. "Been" can now be used as any part of speech in any part of the sentence.

Actually, it's not so much a part of speech as an assertion that something has happened a long time ago. Except that all you have to do is put it in the sentence to make yourself clear. It doesn't matter where in the sentence.

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