Author Topic: 17:36 of the first episode... new Dream Theater music? (Read 4809 times)

Aniland · « **on:** April 25, 2011, 03:37:50 PM »

I'm making this new thread since it's a different topic than the drummer thread; did anybody notice the new music that Mangini played with them at 17:36? How wonderful is that?

ariich · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2011, 03:42:48 PM »

I dunno, these auditions were back in, what, October? November? Sometime around then and WAY before they entered the studio. Could just be riff ideas that they came up with purely for the auditions.

Aniland · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2011, 03:43:50 PM »

That's true. It had such a studio-sounding vibe to it I thought, but who knows. Man this whole thing is exciting.

rumborak · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2011, 03:51:57 PM »

I don't think so. As I said in the other thread, I think it was a constructed riff just to test the drummer's ability to jam and improvise to weird time signatures. You can see in MM's face the ridiculousness of the time signatures (right before JR suggest to write down the time signatures, you see the "you guys are crazy" smile on MM's face).
I totally love the "professor glasses" that MM whips out

rumborak

ariich · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2011, 03:53:32 PM »

It wasn't actually that weird at all, just 9/8, 4/4, 9/8. But still a little confusing when it's just been sprung on you!

lordxizor · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2011, 05:59:15 PM »

Whatever it was, I liked it.

reneranucci · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2011, 06:03:39 PM »

Quote from: ariich on April 25, 2011, 03:53:32 PM

It wasn't actually that weird at all, just 9/8, 4/4, 9/8. But still a little confusing when it's just been sprung on you!

I'm not a skilled musician but, doesn't that depend on the patterns, too? 4/4 is probably the simplest signature but it can be very complex depending on the context, I recall "The Black Page" being in 4/4.

orcus116 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2011, 06:07:51 PM »

Music itself is the only complex thing. Time signatures serve only for the rhythm to make mathematical sense.

emindead · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2011, 07:18:44 PM »

@OP: Nah.

Jamesman42 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2011, 07:59:24 PM »

Quote from: orcus116 on April 25, 2011, 06:07:51 PM

Music itself is the only complex thing. Time signatures serve only for the rhythm to make mathematical sense.

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DarkLord_Lalinc · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2011, 08:00:46 PM »

Reconsider.

Perpetual Change · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2011, 08:16:37 PM »

I hope they do a riff like that, though. Kinda reminded me of that first heavy riff in watershed, where it kinda feels out of time in a really creepy way. Love that stuff.

champbassist · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2011, 09:41:58 PM »

Quote from: ariich on April 25, 2011, 03:53:32 PM

It wasn't actually that weird at all, just 9/8, 4/4, 9/8.

I think that was just the start of the pattern: there was a lot more to it. Otherwise Rudess wouldn't have suggested MM write it down.

Quote from: reneranucci on April 25, 2011, 06:03:39 PM

4/4 is probably the simplest signature but it can be very complex depending on the context, I recall "The Black Page" being in 4/4.

Yes, indeed. A major reason of why The Black Page is so "statistically dense" (in FZ's words) is because of crazy polyrhythms. See: https://www.vai.com/LittleBlackDots/tempomental.html

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2011, 10:33:43 PM »

Quote from: ariich on April 25, 2011, 03:53:32 PM

It wasn't actually that weird at all, just 9/8, 4/4, 9/8. But still a little confusing when it's just been sprung on you!

It's not just the time signatures though. The riff itself is just... bizarre. It's really hard to hear it and feel like tension's building in one moment and releasing in another. But that's why they threw it at the drummers. When you hear Mangini play it, the way he organizes the kick and snare hits allows you listen to the riff. A kick in a short moment of silence tells you it's pulsing one way, and then the snare tells you it's going another. It goes from a very random sounding collection of notes and harmonics to something that has aesthetic quality.

petrucci07 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 26, 2011, 01:22:42 AM »

17:36?! I thought the documentary that's been released so far is only 3 minutes long or something.

vivid2012 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 26, 2011, 01:29:48 AM »

Quote from: petrucci07 on April 26, 2011, 01:22:42 AM

17:36?! I thought the documentary that's been released so far is only 3 minutes long or something.

only 3 minutes long ? sure for that??/

Aniland · « **Reply #16 on:** April 26, 2011, 01:34:44 AM »

Quote from: petrucci07 on April 26, 2011, 01:22:42 AM

17:36?! I thought the documentary that's been released so far is only 3 minutes long or something.

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Someone hasn't heard about the first episode being released yesterday.

petrucci07 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 26, 2011, 01:48:03 AM »

Quote from: Aniland on April 26, 2011, 01:34:44 AM

Quote from: petrucci07 on April 26, 2011, 01:22:42 AM
17:36?! I thought the documentary that's been released so far is only 3 minutes long or something.
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Someone hasn't heard about the first episode being released yesterday.

Sorry guys, just watched it. Cool stuff. And yeah, that was a nice riff that they played!

tri.ad · « **Reply #18 on:** April 26, 2011, 02:27:51 AM »

I don't think that it's "new DT". It's just a riff, just some jamming that probably has been prepared for the auditions. I really don't know what I should think of the mindset that this riff might have ended up on the new album.

jsem · « **Reply #19 on:** April 26, 2011, 02:55:18 AM »

I wouldn't mind crazy riffs like that on the album, but this one sounded a bit generic just for the jam session.

jonny108 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2011, 03:26:01 AM »

I loved Mangini's face when Jordan was saying it's 9 then 4 and he was like

then Jordan says "You wanna write this down?" then he was like

Mladen · « **Reply #21 on:** April 26, 2011, 05:30:28 AM »

Just watched the episode for the third time. Mangini is incredible. I love the beginning of The Dance of eternity, there's that bit where he only plays with his right hand - what a show-off.

champbassist · « **Reply #22 on:** April 26, 2011, 06:02:20 AM »

Quote from: Mladen on April 26, 2011, 05:30:28 AM

I love the beginning of The Dance of eternity, there's that bit where he only plays with his right hand - what a show-off.

I actually found it somewhat weird they asked him to play TDOE. With the crazy arrangement, I thought it would be too obvious.

Nihil-Morari · « **Reply #23 on:** April 26, 2011, 06:39:09 AM »

Quote from: jonny108 on April 26, 2011, 03:26:01 AM

I loved Mangini's face when Jordan was saying it's 9 then 4 and he was like then Jordan says "You wanna write this down?" then he was like

I thought it was more like, Mangini thinking "Okay, 9, 4, 9"

- "You wanna write this down?"

(thinking:) "Yeah, that prolly looks professional"

"Yeah of course"

I bet Mangini could follow a rhythm like that after a single listen, really.

wolfking · « **Reply #24 on:** April 26, 2011, 06:40:36 AM »

He doesn't need to write that shit down, that's simple for him. I think he just thought he better respond like that because Jordan expected and suggested that he did.

ReaPsTA · « **Reply #25 on:** April 26, 2011, 06:52:28 AM »

Quote from: wolfking on April 26, 2011, 06:40:36 AM

He doesn't need to write that shit down, that's simple for him. I think he just thought he better respond like that because Jordan expected and suggested that he did.

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When you audition for a band, you want to look as confident and capable as possible. Yeah, Mangini could probably do it without writing it down, but it would be far more clumsy and unprofessional. If he could really just nail it without writing it down, do you really think he'd waste his time and the band's time with that?

Nihil-Morari · « **Reply #26 on:** April 26, 2011, 07:07:40 AM »

Well, of course he didn't know what there was to come. And neither do we. But to write down a 9/8 4/4 9/8 section is not neccesary.

DarkLord_Lalinc · « **Reply #27 on:** April 26, 2011, 08:11:35 AM »

Quote from: wolfking on April 26, 2011, 06:40:36 AM

He doesn't need to write that shit down, that's simple for him. I think he just thought he better respond like that because Jordan expected and suggested that he did.

That's just silly.

Aniland · « **Reply #28 on:** April 27, 2011, 09:23:17 AM »

All of these new riffs sounds so Awake-ish. I wonder what the new album will be like...

slycordinator · « **Reply #29 on:** April 27, 2011, 09:40:46 AM »

Quote from: rumborak on April 25, 2011, 03:51:57 PM

I don't think so. As I said in the other thread, I think it was a constructed riff just to test the drummer's ability to jam and improvise to weird time signatures.

In the second episode, Jordan said he wrote it for the auditions.

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Author Topic: 17:36 of the first episode... new Dream Theater music? (Read 4809 times)