Obama, the daily thread on policy, and anything Obama

[sonatafanica]

t'would be cool to have a democracy at some point

[tjanuranus]

t'would be cool to have a democracy at some point

Maybe when it's another country.

[El Barto]

Obama, bush, not much difference. That's the problem with this country. No matter who is in charge things aren't going to change much and that's a shame. The defense contractors, the health insurance companies, and wall street have these politicians in their back pocket and republican or democrat isn't going to make a difference.

Of course I agree with you, but there's more to it than just the interest groups.  The media bears a great deal of responsibility for the polarization that we have now.  Much like politicians rely on divide and conquer, the media outlets have to do the same.  There's no market for non-sensationalized facts.  Certainly a dipshit electorate plays a huge role in this mess as well.  Half won't vote, and the half that will votes with the same deliberation that they would for prom queen (but much more passion).  Campaigns are geared towards the lowest common denominator.  And lastly, the system itself just didn't work out.  The framers got plenty right, but they certainly bungled some stuff as well.  Nice try, but at the end of the day they failed.

[tjanuranus]

Obama, bush, not much difference. That's the problem with this country. No matter who is in charge things aren't going to change much and that's a shame. The defense contractors, the health insurance companies, and wall street have these politicians in their back pocket and republican or democrat isn't going to make a difference.

Of course I agree with you, but there's more to it than just the interest groups.  The media bears a great deal of responsibility for the polarization that we have now.  Much like politicians rely on divide and conquer, the media outlets have to do the same.  There's no market for non-sensationalized facts.  Certainly a dipshit electorate plays a huge role in this mess as well.  Half won't vote, and the half that will votes with the same deliberation that they would for prom queen (but much more passion).  Campaigns are geared towards the lowest common denominator.  And lastly, the system itself just didn't work out.  The framers got plenty right, but they certainly bungled some stuff as well.  Nice try, but at the end of the day they failed.

Agree 100 percent.

[Perpetual Change]

Bosk, just out of curiosity: if Obama i s one of the worst presidents of your lifetime where is Bush placed? I've asked you .something like this before and didn't get an answer. Im asking again, not because I just want to give you a hard time, but because I am actually still curious to learn what policies have changed in the last two years enough to set all the patriots off their rockers.

[AcidLameLTE]

amazing how they are so sure this idgit is a genius, who now just cant talk?

[PraXis]

t'would be cool to have a democracy at some point

No thanks. I'll keep my Republic over the 51% telling me how they want me to live.

[PlaysLikeMyung]

t'would be cool to have a democracy at some point

No thanks. I'll keep my Republic over the 51% telling me how they want me to live.

Implying that doesn't already happen?...

[XJDenton]

No, at the moment 10% of people tell the rest how they want us to live.

[Perpetual Change]

I have much more faith in a mob of 51 percent than I do in the top ten percent of elites, or 12 hand-plucked Constitution scholars for that matter.

[EPICVIEW]

t'would be cool to have a democracy at some point

No thanks. I'll keep my Republic over the 51% telling me how they want me to live.

You beat me to it Praxis..well said

[PlaysLikeMyung]

No, at the moment 10% of people tell the rest how they want us to live.

So, Praxis, if I understand you right, you'd rather have a minority tell you what to do than a majority?

[EPICVIEW]

Mock scenario:

In 10 years,The Muslims out populate the Judeo/Christians in America.  should we allow Sharia law if the majority here can vote that they want it?


thats why we are a republic.. for the protection of the constitution.

[Quadrochosis]

Mock scenario:

In 10 years,The Muslims out populate the Judeo/Christians in America.  should we allow Sharia law if the majority here can vote that they want it?


thats why we are a republic.. for the protection of the constitution.

[Perpetual Change]

Mock scenario:

The Muslims out populate the Judeo/Christians in America.  should we allow Sharia law if the majority here can vote that they want it?


that why we are a republic.. for the protection of the constitution

If the top 10 percent elites want the patriot act even though it violates the Constitution, should we allow it simply because they get to run the show and appoint the judges?

Seems to me the "republic" only protects the constitution when it serves the interests of keeping the "status quo." I think what blacks had to do to get some rights in this country and what other non-racial minorities are facing now is a great example of what a fraud the Constitution system can be on the scale of protecting people's  against the "tyranny of the majority."

I admittedly don't know much about the Constitution, but for all the hyperbole the libertarians and Constitutional Conservatives have on their side, I can't actually think of one time where the Constitution or the Supreme Court protected anyone that wasn't a part of (or close enough to) the "tyrannic majority" representation of society anyway. 

[El Barto]

No.  We should allow them to elect Muslim senators who would then enact sharia, while at the same time pass all sorts of other laws enabling them to get filthy stinking rich and take care of their corporate masters.  

And by the way, there's really little difference between the sharia that you're so frightened of and the fascism that you embrace (as long as it's pre-2008, that is).

[EPICVIEW]

No.  We should allow them to elect Muslim senators who would then enact sharia, while at the same time pass all sorts of other laws enabling them to get filthy stinking rich and take care of their corporate masters.  

And by the way, there's really little difference between the sharia that you're so frightened of and the fascism that you embrace (as long as it's pre-2008, that is).

I dont agree bro.. Id say there is a huge difference.. you kinda lost me on that analogy

[bosk1]

Bosk, just out of curiosity: if Obama i s one of the worst presidents of your lifetime where is Bush placed? I've asked you .something like this before and didn't get an answer. Im asking again, not because I just want to give you a hard time, but because I am actually still curious to learn what policies have changed in the last two years enough to set all the patriots off their rockers.

Still undecided.  Probably somewhere in the middle.  But I have to say, we haven't had a very good run overall in the last 40 years or so, so even putting him in the middle of that group isn't exactly a glowing review. 

[Perpetual Change]

I've only been through 3, but I think Clinton was great to be honest.
Aside from his personal life, which doesn't matter, and, more importantly, his supportive stance on suffocating half-born children....

[PraXis]

No, at the moment 10% of people tell the rest how they want us to live.

So, Praxis, if I understand you right, you'd rather have a minority tell you what to do than a majority?

I'd rather our elected representatives follow the Constitution and only make changes if 2/3 consensus are reached to amend the Constitution.

The elites will control everything until the Federal Reserve (private, central bank) is abolished.

[EPICVIEW]

Pray for the USA... Defeat Obama in 2012.

https://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/05/worst-jobs-president-since-great-depression-overseas-worst-housing-downturn-since-great-depression/

[Quadrochosis]

Aside from a few social issues, Obama and W are pretty much identical presidents. Anything that anyone says to the contrary is not only extremely partisan, but wrong.

[XJDenton]

That is a dreadful website.

[EPICVIEW]

Aside from a few social issues, Obama and W are pretty much identical presidents. Anything that anyone says to the contrary is not only extremely partisan, but wrong.

thats incorrect..they are NOT the same at all..

is that some sort of acedemic mantra that is being taught in the schools? to me all that says 'Obama is horrible, and we all know it, but lets just say he is the same as GWB".

[EPICVIEW]

That is a dreadful website.

why is it dreadful.??

[XJDenton]

Bad writing, bad journalism, and the comments section makes me want to set fire to things.

[Sigz]

What the hell is a jobs president?

[EPICVIEW]

Bad writing, bad journalism, and the comments section makes me want to set fire to things.

LOL... thats funny!!!!

I enjoy it.  XJ, what sites do you enjoy?

[XJDenton]

As in for news/commentary? Generally the BBC will be my first point of call.

[EPICVIEW]

What the hell is a jobs president?

one that understands how jobs are created, by allowing the priciples of business to shine to allow for new products, marketsto be created, tax breaks to create jobs, rewarding of R & D, and jobs to be stimulated in the private sector which created 80% of all jobs..

Obama is a business moron.. he still cant get it.. and its becasue he does not want to get it, and is a puppet of Soros. Obama never had a job, never created a job,.. unless one considers writing books on his amazing life story.. LOL

[EPICVIEW]

As in for news/commentary? Generally the BBC will be my first point of call.

and you believe the BBC to be fair? I do not

[XJDenton]

Fairer than most. Why do you not trust them?

[EPICVIEW]

Fairer than most. Why do you not trust them?

They have alwasy had a liberal , anti Israel slant, and to me are greatly over rated.

[El Barto]

Fairer than most. Why do you not trust them?

They have alwasy had a liberal , anti Israel slant, and to me are greatly over rated.

As seen from somebody with a monumental slant of their own.  You see things from your own pro-America/Israel perspective, so anything neutral will automatically appear biased to you. 

[EPICVIEW]

Fairer than most. Why do you not trust them?

They have alwasy had a liberal , anti Israel slant, and to me are greatly over rated.

As seen from somebody with a monumental slant of their own.  You see things from your own pro-America/Israel perspective, so anything neutral will automatically appear biased to you.  

nope.. when the BBC calls terrorists "Freedom Fighters" and that stuff.. pretty easy to see what slant they are trying to give.
pretty much bias 101.
https://honestreporting.com/the-bbc-during-the-gaza-war-biased-coverage-of-the-conflict-2/