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« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2011, 10:20:08 AM »
I can't tell if your just a really bad troll or a stereotypical old person with extremely skewed political views.

Im 46.. not sure if that extemely old lol..

I was a lib when I was kid..then I grew up

not a troll ..just enjoy the politcal subjects
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2011, 10:22:58 AM »
Wow.
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Re: Obama, the daily thread on policy, and anything Obama
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2011, 10:25:50 AM »
whats not to hate? if you can show me the error of my view on the O'Bummer , please corect me with articles to show why I am incorect on this far left radical in office.
Why even bother? You're so hard headed that it's not even worth making the effort.

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« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2011, 10:29:57 AM »
whats not to hate? if you can show me the error of my view on the O'Bummer , please corect me with articles to show why I am incorect on this far left radical in office.
Why even bother? You're so hard headed that it's not even worth making the effort.

if you want.. try. if you can convince me..I will be objective!!, but I dont see any redeaming value of this Obama. certainly hios policies are not working.. the economy has been going down since Pelosi took control in 2007.

Look.. this is about fun debate.. I like spirited debate.. to me I post like its a radio show debate. so its a style thing, I am very open to listen to a well made points from the other side, but I will challenge it if I feel its eroneous.

Ok.. now lets have fun!!!

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« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2011, 10:31:27 AM »

I will be objective!!,

I am very open to listen to a well made point from the other side


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« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2011, 10:34:35 AM »
Yeah, honestly, you've made up your mind and locked the door behind you.  I really don't feel compelled to craft arguments when not even plain and simple logic can get through.  I have to join the why bother camp here.

And by the way, this really cracks me up everytime you post it.
the economy has been going down since Pelosi took control in 2007.
:rollin
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« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2011, 10:44:03 AM »
Yeah, honestly, you've made up your mind and locked the door behind you.  I really don't feel compelled to craft arguments when not even plain and simple logic can get through.  I have to join the why bother camp here.

And by the way, this really cracks me up everytime you post it.
the economy has been going down since Pelosi took control in 2007.
:rollin

in reading through his past few posts, i would say it is true that he is unwilling to accept some facts. however, to say he hasn't made at least a few valid points (as much as i may disagree with them), isn't accurate.  


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« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2011, 11:13:20 AM »
Thank You Ricky ^^^
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Re: Obama, the daily thread on policy, and anything Obama
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2011, 11:36:59 AM »
Yeah, honestly, you've made up your mind and locked the door behind you.  I really don't feel compelled to craft arguments when not even plain and simple logic can get through.  I have to join the why bother camp here.

And by the way, this really cracks me up everytime you post it.
the economy has been going down since Pelosi took control in 2007.
:rollin

in reading through his past few posts, i would say it is true that he is unwilling to accept some facts. however, to say he hasn't made at least a few valid points (as much as i may disagree with them), isn't accurate.  


edit minus second paragraph.
I never said he didn't (although I can't think of any of them from today).  The problem is that even a perfectly valid point becomes lost in all of the bias.  No matter how valid a criticism of Obama is, when you use it as an example of how he's the Muslim Manchurian candidate working to destroy us from within, it becomes completely worthless.  Shame, really.
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« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2011, 11:46:41 AM »
Yeah, honestly, you've made up your mind and locked the door behind you.  I really don't feel compelled to craft arguments when not even plain and simple logic can get through.  I have to join the why bother camp here.

And by the way, this really cracks me up everytime you post it.
the economy has been going down since Pelosi took control in 2007.
:rollin


in reading through his past few posts, i would say it is true that he is unwilling to accept some facts. however, to say he hasn't made at least a few valid points (as much as i may disagree with them), isn't accurate.  


edit minus second paragraph.
I never said he didn't (although I can't think of any of them from today).  The problem is that even a perfectly valid point becomes lost in all of the bias.  No matter how valid a criticism of Obama is, when you use it as an example of how he's the Muslim Manchurian candidate working to destroy us from within, it becomes completely worthless.  Shame, really.



what do yo think of Inhofes view here? Id agree he is..and to be honest Obamas associations are beyond worrisome.. he is a disciple of Saul Alinsky.. well documented.. he even walked around proudly reading "Rules for Radicals" and taught the rules.

https://www.breitbart.tv/sen-inhofe-hints-arrogant-obama-might-need-mental-diagnosis-to-explain-timing-of-1967-borders-speech/


This is also fresh.. amazing.. nobody Obama puts in power is not related to some far left movement..

Jawa reported:
White House’s New Director of Progressive Media & Online Response
Is married to a Campaign Director at MoveOn.org.

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« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2011, 12:59:38 PM »
Direct from Israel:

Your sense of the political spectrum is pretty skewed if you think Obama is far left.  Or even left.

is this a joke? thats an honest question
No, he's exactly correct.  The only people who consider Obama far left are people who consider FOX centrist.  For those of us out here in the objective world, he's highly moderate.  Personally, I'd consider him to be about identical ideologically to Bush and McCain (just less of a war monger).
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« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2011, 01:05:35 PM »
Direct from Israel:

Your sense of the political spectrum is pretty skewed if you think Obama is far left.  Or even left.

is this a joke? thats an honest question
No, he's exactly correct.  The only people who consider Obama far left are people who consider FOX centrist.  For those of us out here in the objective world, he's highly moderate.  Personally, I'd consider him to be about identical ideologically to Bush and McCain (just less of a war monger).

I know Obama is into Kinetic operations..: )

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« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2011, 01:06:34 PM »
When you call him a childish name such as "Obummers", I find it very difficult to take anything else you say seriously. Just FYI
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« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2011, 01:12:40 PM »
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« Reply #49 on: May 26, 2011, 01:13:38 PM »
When you call him a childish name such as "Obummers", I find it very difficult to take anything else you say seriously. Just FYI

I got it from EB, who calls GWB " Dumbass".( lol). and Obummer is sorta a cool play on words and has a double entandra..

its just fun rhetoric..
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« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2011, 07:11:37 PM »
I voted for Obama and will again, mainly because i'll NEVER vote for a republican since it's been hijacked by the religious right among many others. But i must say as democratic voter i'm very disappointed with obama's decision making. He's basically bush on steroids. He's kept many of bush's policies going, including the war on terror, afghanistan, the patriot act, and guantanamo bay, spending FAR to much money on defense and corporate welfare. These were all Bush things and he's not only continuing them but enhancing them in some ways. Also i'm EXTREMELY disappointed in the health care bill. It seems to me he never really wanted to make a change. He started the negotiating at a terrible position and pretty much let the health care industry write the bill. It's not what i voted for but.... i don't think the other options will be better. I just wish an actual liberal would run against him, but they won't.

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« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2011, 08:06:58 PM »
Of course you're right.  The problem is that the establishment has managed to convince everybody that he's ultra-leftist.  This whole country has really turned itself assbackward.  A Bush clone is a liberal and Newt Gingrich isn't even conservative enough for the GOP. 
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« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2011, 09:19:23 PM »
Barack Obama is an establishment-serving politician. The only thing radical about him is how radically similar he is to his predecessors.

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« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2011, 09:25:25 PM »

I will be objective!!,

I am very open to listen to a well made point from the other side

EPICVIEW, my problem with your "show me Obama's redeeming qualities" bit is that the kind of candidate you'd probably replace him with is hardly different. All of the policies that make him a lousy president - the continued drug war, aggressive foreign policy, excessive spending, and so on - would be the policies of the "conservative" you'd vote in to office. Certainly, there'd be less funding for social welfare. But it would all be funneled into more military jets and homeland security initiatives.


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« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2011, 04:07:19 AM »
ITT people who hate Obama because he's a Bush clone v.s. people who hate Obama because he's a left wing nut

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« Reply #57 on: May 27, 2011, 08:34:51 AM »
The slobbering from the media is stepping up.  :rollin

https://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-daum-obamaspeak-20110526,0,462327.column


wow.. the insane mainstream medias covering for this moron Obama is really unreal..

amazing how they are so sure this idgit is a genius, who now just cant talk?
I thought he was sold as the greatest speaker of our time?

and anyone who is not aware that Obama is a far left whacko is just not paying attention, he is destroying the fabric of the USA, and putting in the socialist nanny state, and we know it cant work... but Obama is bent on destruction.
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« Reply #58 on: May 27, 2011, 08:36:38 AM »

I will be objective!!,

I am very open to listen to a well made point from the other side

EPICVIEW, my problem with your "show me Obama's redeeming qualities" bit is that the kind of candidate you'd probably replace him with is hardly different. All of the policies that make him a lousy president - the continued drug war, aggressive foreign policy, excessive spending, and so on - would be the policies of the "conservative" you'd vote in to office. Certainly, there'd be less funding for social welfare. But it would all be funneled into more military jets and homeland security initiatives.




Id vote Tea party if possible.


( sorry about the double post, If I could erease this and redo I would..I need to learn to use the insert of a second quote better)






Todays dose of Obama hostility..





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« Reply #59 on: May 27, 2011, 09:39:11 AM »
Here's a new way of looking at it.  Let's rate the presidents according to their Supreme Court appiontments (hey, why not?).  I won't do Nixon since I was born in the middle of his term.  But all other presidents in my lifetime:

Ford:

Stevens:  3/10  Like the rest of the right wing of the court, just an abomination on social issues and expanding so-called civil liberties way past the point of creating a level playing field.  But not too bad on some states rights and other fed/state issues.

Overall presidential grade:  Fail.  He appointed one, and that one was a bad appointment.


Carter:

No appointments


Reagan:

O'Connor:  6/10.  She is kind of all over the board.  Some good dissenting opinions in some of Roe v. Wade's progeny.  But some of her First Amendment analysis is...  ???  She often tries to come up with a practical, "common-sense" approach, which sometimes works and sometimes gets her into trouble.

Scalia:  9/10.  Why it is so hard for some other justicies on the Court to grasp that the Constitution means what the Constitution says is beyond me.  Agree or disagree with him, but his opinions always provide a sound Constitutional and historical basis for his decision.

Kennedy:  5/10.  The infamous swing voter.  What does he stand for exactly?  Who knows?

Overall presidental grade:  Pass.  C+, maybe a B- on a good day.  Scalia appears likely to be one of the two best judicial appointments in my lifetime.  But the two others could have been better.


Bush I:

Souter:  1/10.  Really, George??  Really??  :facepalm:

Thomas:  7/10.  Mostly good decisions, but some that just seem out in left field.  Maybe he really deserves an 8, but I'm giving him a 7 today just because I'm not in a very charitable mood.

Overall presidential grade:  Pass, but just barely.  C-.  Thomas was, overall, a good appointment.  Despite his quirks, he is solid and is a Constitutionalist.  But it's hard to explain Souter (although it has been said that Souter did a masterful job of keeping is ideology to himself prior to his appointment).


Clinton:

Ginsburg and Breyer:  1/10 each.  They're interchangeable, really.  Forget the Constitution.  It means whatever fits society at any given moment.  Really?  Why are these people on the High Court?

Overal presidential grade:  Fail. 


Bush II:

Roberts:  7/10.  Seems fairly solid and fairly conservative on most important issues, but perhaps a bit softer than some of his other colleagues.  But not bad.

Alito:  8/10.  Or, "Scalia light," as he was called early on.  Good blend of being a strict Constitutionalist and informed historian, while also being significantly less prickly than Scalia.

Overall presidential grade:  Pass, with flying colors.  This is at least one area where he did extremely well.


Obama:

Sotomayor:  5/10, maybe a 6/10 on a good day.  Ideologically, she's a mess.  But I have to give her credit for sticking to precedent and making common sense rulings, even when they cut strongly against her ideological views. 

Kagan:  5/10.  More moderate than the rest of the liberal bloc of the Court, and although it is still very early in her term, she seems to do a decent job of keeping her more liberal views out of her decision-making process when not supported by precedent.  Time will tell how she shakes out.

Overall presidential grade:  Fail.  Perhaps not as hard as some others, but still.  I'd give him a D, maybe D+.
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« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2011, 10:02:18 AM »
The Donkey

4/10   Like many of the higher rated justices on his list, equally swayed by personal sentiment.  Gives failing marks to two justices because of their ideology despite commending them for being able to keep them separate in their judgments.


As an aside, none of this is particularly surprising.  As a strict law and order kind of guy, you're going to share the conservative wing's poor regard for substantive due process and seething hatred of the procedural variety; the very reason I despise them.  Aside from that, both wings are pretty interchangeable with regard to how they reach their decisions.
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« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2011, 10:41:04 AM »
:biggrin:  Hey, I gave him higher marks than Clinton and Ford for his appointments.  Since I'm conservative, don't I have to be so blinded by my Obama hate that I act completely irrationally?  It's mandatory, isn't it?


EDIT:  But as far as the two Obama appointees I mentioned, yeah, I'm a bit biased, but I'm not being completely unfair.  I'm giving credit where credit is due by acknowledging that they aren't as full on "Constitution?  Screw the Constitution!  It's all about being progressive" as a Ginsburg or a Souter, for example.  But they still do have a history in their lower court opinions and other sources of being influenced.  Again, I'm just giving them credit for being able to keep it in check a bit better than some of their peers.  And then you just have decisions that are, perhaps no ideologically driven, but still just wrong, like Ricci, for example.  So, yeah, I don't think I'd change those grades very much if at all.  Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised as history plays out and they issue more decisions.  We'll see.
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« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2011, 10:42:12 AM »
Great Post Bosk1.

Id agree with that. very well said, and the point you made is a very good one and an interesting way of looking at it

everything Obama is radical..
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« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2011, 10:50:40 AM »
everything Obama is radical..

I know we tell you this all the time, but I have to say it again


He's a moderate. He's EXTREMELY moderate. Just about everything about him is centrist. Barto repeats this just about every day :P

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« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2011, 10:58:50 AM »
everything Obama is radical..

I know we tell you this all the time, but I have to say it again


He's a moderate. He's EXTREMELY moderate. Just about everything about him is centrist. Barto repeats this just about every day :P


You can say it all day..and I will tell you George Soros, Van Jones, Eric Holder, Acorn, Wright, Rezko, Saul Alinsky and his foreign policy are out of the far left radical playbook..His associations with Khalidi, his appointing of Jennings, and his supreme court picks all point to him not being moderate at all. His voting for late term abortion is not "moderate". Cap and Trade is not moderate



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« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2011, 11:08:12 AM »
At the end of the day, I don't think arguing over which label ("radical" vs. "moderate," for example) is very productive.  It's good shorthand, in many cases, for summarizing someone's politics or ideology, but it only goes so far.  I can see where there is a pretty sound basis for arguing that either label is correct and appropriate for Obama.  But rather than arguing over which label to apply, it's probably better to discuss the particulars, IMO.

I mean, personally, I would count him as one of the 10 worst presidents of all time and probably the worst in my lifetime.  BUT, I don't think it's helpful to pound the table and insist on applying a one-size-fits-all label to him as if he is a one-dimensional cardboard cutout who thinks one way and only one way on all issues.  That misses the point that, like most of us, he is a complex person who doesn't fit neatly into one box for all purposes. 

Anyway, whatever.  This is one of the reasons I don't usually participate in the more political and less religious discussions.  I'll quit rambling now.
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« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2011, 11:17:54 AM »
Bosk1,,

I understand your point, but sometimes labels do fit, even if they are not productive in some ways to be used, they kinda sorta have to be used, as they do describe them politcal pov of the person's ideology.

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« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2011, 12:43:50 PM »
Scalia:  9/10.  Why it is so hard for some other justicies on the Court to grasp that the Constitution means what the Constitution says is beyond me.  Agree or disagree with him, but his opinions always provide a sound Constitutional and historical basis for his decision.
I disagree.  He's just much better at couching his bias in constructionist lingo.  Personally, I like the guy, but I'm often annoyed by people's reverence for a quality that really isn't there.

But it's hard to explain Souter (although it has been said that Souter did a masterful job of keeping is ideology to himself prior to his appointment).
Souter's a real trip.  I've heard the same thing about keeping his ideology to himself, but he was also fairly conservative before his appointment, as well.  It seems that's what should have given Bush concern.  Still, I rather like the loner quality that he possessed.  Souter actually voted with your side a whole lot more than you wish to remember,  he just wasn't the rock-solid ally to your cause that people wanted him to be.

Honestly, what you criticize O'Connor and Kennedy for are what I like about them and Souter.  These things aren't binary, and decisions shouldn't be either.  The 5-4 opinions down block lines really piss me off.
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« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2011, 01:30:19 PM »
Yeah Obama is an extremist alright.  ::)

Obama, bush, not much difference. That's the problem with this country. No matter who is in charge things aren't going to change much and that's a shame. The defense contractors, the health insurance companies, and wall street have these politicians in their back pocket and republican or democrat isn't going to make a difference. This is why i'm not as political as i used to be. I've realized that this is the way it is and i'll vote for the person who "claims" to be closest to my views, realizing most likely they won't achieve much.

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Re: Obama, the daily thread on policy, and anything Obama
« Reply #69 on: May 27, 2011, 02:17:19 PM »
I've realized that this is the way it is and i'll vote for the person who "claims" to be closest to my views, realizing most likely they won't achieve much.

Exactly.  What more can you do?
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