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« Reply #175 on: June 01, 2011, 07:18:15 PM »
This i call "common knowledge"

Team Obama..  :rollin

https://www.cnbc.com/id/43239586

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How do you even respond to your posts?  Your hatred for Obama has you posting to articles that arent even related to Obama.



It most certainly does..
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« Reply #176 on: June 01, 2011, 07:19:58 PM »
This i call "common knowledge"

Team Obama..  :rollin

https://www.cnbc.com/id/43239586

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How do you even respond to your posts?  Your hatred for Obama has you posting to articles that arent even related to Obama.



It most certainly does..

If you have irrational hatred for Obama, then yes it does.  Articles about Charlie Sheen are all about Obama too when you are obsessed.
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« Reply #177 on: June 01, 2011, 07:26:03 PM »
I show you an article that the economy is going off a cliff, Obamas policies have had  direct effect on this, and you say that? 

thats a powerful response,, wow.. Charlie Sheen =Alex Jones
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« Reply #178 on: June 01, 2011, 07:31:40 PM »
I show you an article that the economy is going off a cliff, Obamas policies have had  direct effect on this, and you say that? 

thats a powerful response,, wow.. Charlie Sheen =Alex Jones

What exact Obama policy has had a direct effect on that specific data?

Or are you just looking for any negative online article about the economy and just placing blanket blame on your buddy Obama?

Magic 8 Ball says option 2.

You really should try harder than just linking to an article about general economic data from a Hedge Fund manager from England!   :rollin
 
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« Reply #179 on: June 01, 2011, 07:36:57 PM »
Let me get this straight: the economy tanking under Bush is the Democrat Congress' fault, but the Republic Congress is blameless when you claim the economy is tanking now?
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« Reply #180 on: June 01, 2011, 07:43:46 PM »
I show you an article that the economy is going off a cliff, Obamas policies have had  direct effect on this, and you say that? 

thats a powerful response,, wow.. Charlie Sheen =Alex Jones

What exact Obama policy has had a direct effect on that specific data?

Or are you just looking for any negative online article about the economy and just placing blanket blame on your buddy Obama?

Magic 8 Ball says option 2.

You really should try harder than just linking to an article about general economic data from a Hedge Fund manag^^^... now that is funny!!! That fund manager has nothing to do with our economy!! and Obama has nothing to do with this.. that why Wall Street is chuckin Obama like every other tax payer in the USA.

whats to like about Obama? I do think his ability to read a teleprompter has been over rated..

The world knows his policies cant work..
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« Reply #181 on: June 01, 2011, 07:46:37 PM »
I show you an article that the economy is going off a cliff, Obamas policies have had  direct effect on this, and you say that? 

thats a powerful response,, wow.. Charlie Sheen =Alex Jones

What exact Obama policy has had a direct effect on that specific data?

Or are you just looking for any negative online article about the economy and just placing blanket blame on your buddy Obama?

Magic 8 Ball says option 2.

You really should try harder than just linking to an article about general economic data from a Hedge Fund manag^^^... now that is funny!!! That fund manager has nothing to do with our economy!! and Obama has nothing to do with this.. that why Wall Street is chuckin Obama like every other tax payer in the USA.

whats to like about Obama? I do think his ability to read a teleprompter has been over rated..

The world knows his policies cant work..
er from England!   :rollin
 




Still didnt answer the question.  What specific policy is directly affecting the specific data mentioned in the article?
The fund manager or author of the article dont mention Obama or his policies....but I guesss you know better...LOL
I'll wait.
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« Reply #182 on: June 01, 2011, 07:53:00 PM »
 ^Cmon.. you cant be that out of touch with it all?

do you pay taxes?

do you know how fast money is leaving the USA and why? do you understand job creation, cap and trade? risk vs reward
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« Reply #183 on: June 01, 2011, 07:56:37 PM »
^Cmon.. you cant be that out of touch with it all?

do you pay taxes?

do you know how fast money is leaving the USA and why? do you understand job creation, cap and trade? risk vs reward

Keep ignoring the question....

Still waiting on the reasons why you referenced the article.  What specific Obama policies are directly affecting the specific data referenced in the article?
If you cant do this easily and quickly, and keep avoiding the question, we will be forced to assume you just link to randome negative articles about situations in the US and put blanket blame on Obama......imagine that  :lol
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« Reply #184 on: June 01, 2011, 07:59:40 PM »
^Cmon.. you cant be that out of touch with it all?

do you pay taxes?

do you know how fast money is leaving the USA and why? do you understand job creation, cap and trade? risk vs reward

Keep ignoring the question....

Still waiting on the reasons why you referenced the article.  What specific Obama policies are directly affecting the specific data referenced in the article?
If you cant do this easily and quickly, and keep avoiding the question, we will be forced to assume you just link to randome negative articles about situations in the US and put blanket blame on Obama......imagine that  :lol




enough nonsense...

You tell me how Obamas policies are not effeecting this data..that everyone knows..


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« Reply #185 on: June 01, 2011, 08:01:07 PM »
^Cmon.. you cant be that out of touch with it all?

do you pay taxes?

do you know how fast money is leaving the USA and why? do you understand job creation, cap and trade? risk vs reward

Keep ignoring the question....

Still waiting on the reasons why you referenced the article.  What specific Obama policies are directly affecting the specific data referenced in the article?
If you cant do this easily and quickly, and keep avoiding the question, we will be forced to assume you just link to randome negative articles about situations in the US and put blanket blame on Obama......imagine that  :lol




enough nonsense...

You tell me how Obamas policies are not effeecting this data..that everyone knows..




Still waiting for your explanation.  You posted the article...show how it directly relates.
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« Reply #186 on: June 01, 2011, 08:09:14 PM »
The article spelled it out..

The USA is no longer the place to keep money...tax policies, no yield, too much risk, no vehicle, they dont beleive in Obama, they know Cap and Trade is coming, Obamacare.. the dollar has been devalued, govemrent out of control spending..inflation has been here for year, Obama denied it as he created it.

( is this answer not clear?)


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Now you tell me how Obama is the same as GWB and how Obamas polices are not to blame.

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« Reply #187 on: June 01, 2011, 08:15:54 PM »
The article spelled it out..

The USA is no longer the place to keep money...tax policies, no yield, too much risk, no vehicle, they dont beleive in Obama, they know Cap and Trade is coming, Obamacare.. the dollar has been devalued, govemrent out of control spending..inflation has been here for year, Obama denied it as he created it


Where in the article did the Fund Manager or Author reference one single thing you just mentioned?  Also please quote where they say or even mention any Obama policy being the reason ?
Still waiting...............................................


You could just admit that you posted a random negative article about the US economy and laid blanket blame on Obama....even when there is no mention of Obama or any of his policies.  But you would never do that right?  LOL 
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« Reply #188 on: June 01, 2011, 08:20:57 PM »
^ thanks.. that was about what I was expecting as your response.
I guess you really just dont get it. oh well..this is basic stuff.

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« Reply #189 on: June 01, 2011, 08:22:56 PM »
^ thanks.. that was about what I was expecting as your response.
I guess you really just dont get it. oh well..this is basic stuff.



Still avoiding the question.
That was about what I was expecting from your response.
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Re: Obama, the daily thread on policy, and anything Obama
« Reply #190 on: June 01, 2011, 10:41:37 PM »
KNOCK IT OFF

This is a forum FOR INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION.

Epicview: please, for the love of humanity, just answer questions when they're asked. Responses like "i already posted it" or "look it up yourself" or "it's common knowledge" are intellectually lazy and are not conducive to discussion.

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« Reply #191 on: June 02, 2011, 12:03:21 AM »
Ok here is an article talking about how Obama is basically a 90's republican. Makes some good points.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-shocking-truth-about-the-birthplace-of-obamas-policies/2011/04/15/AF6qINpE_blog.html

The shocking truth about the birthplace of Obama’s policies


(Toshiyuki Aizawa - BLOOMBERG)
America is mired in three wars. The past decade was the hottest on record. Unemployment remains stuck near 9 percent, and there’s a small, albeit real, possibility that the U.S. government will default on its debt. So what’s dominating the news? A reality-television star who can’t persuade anyone that his hair is real is alleging that the president of the United States was born in Kenya.

Perhaps this is just the logical endpoint of two years spent arguing over what Barack Obama is — or isn’t. Muslim. Socialist. Marxist. Anti-colonialist. Racial healer. We’ve obsessed over every answer except the right one: President Obama, if you look closely at his positions, is a moderate Republican from the early 1990s. And the Republican Party he’s facing has abandoned many of its best ideas in its effort to oppose him.

If you put aside the emergency measures required by the financial crisis, three major policy ideas have dominated American politics in recent years: a health-care plan that uses an individual mandate and tax subsidies to achieve near-universal coverage; a cap-and-trade plan that attempts to raise the prices of environmental pollutants to better account for their costs; and bringing tax rates up from their Bush-era lows as part of a bid to reduce the deficit. In each case, the position that Obama and the Democrats have staked out is the very position that moderate Republicans staked out in the early ’90s — and often, well into the 2000s.

Take health-care reform. The individual mandate was developed by a group of conservative economists in the early ’90s. Mark Pauly, an economist at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, was one of them. “We were concerned about the specter of single-payer insurance,” he told me recently. The conservative Heritage Foundation soon had an individual-mandate plan of its own, and when President Bill Clinton endorsed an employer mandate in his health-care proposal, both major Republican alternatives centered on an individual mandate. By 1995, more than 20 Senate Republicans — including Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Dick Lugar and a few others still in office — had sponsored one individual mandate bill or another.

The story on cap and trade — which conservatives now like to call “cap and tax” — is much the same. Back then, the concern was sulfur dioxide, the culprit behind acid rain. President George H.W. Bush wanted a solution that relied on the market rather than on government regulation. So in the Clean Air Act of 1990, he proposed a plan that would cap sulfur-dioxide emissions but let the market decide how to allocate the permits. That was “more compatible with economic growth than using only the command and control approaches of the past,” he said. The plan passed easily, with “aye” votes from Sen. Mitch McConnell and then-Rep. Newt Gingrich, among others. In fact, as recently as 2007, Gingrich said that “if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur . . . it’s something I would strongly support.”

As for the 1990 budget deal, Bush initially resisted tax increases, but eventually realized they were necessary to get the job done. “It is clear to me that both the size of the deficit problem and the need for a package that can be enacted require all of the following: entitlement and mandatory program reform, tax revenue increases, growth incentives, discretionary spending reductions, orderly reductions in defense expenditures, and budget process reform,” he said. That deal, incidentally, was roughly half tax increases and half spending cuts. Obama’s budget has far fewer tax increases. And compared with what would happen if the Bush tax cuts were allowed to expire in 2012, it actually includes a large tax cut.

The normal reason a party abandons its policy ideas is that those ideas fail in practice. But that’s not the case here. These initiatives were wildly successful. Gov. Mitt Romney passed an individual mandate in Massachusetts and drove its number of uninsured below 5 percent. The Clean Air Act of 1990 solved the sulfur-dioxide problem. The 1990 budget deal helped cut the deficit and set the stage for a remarkable run of growth.

Rather, it appears that as Democrats moved to the right to pick up Republican votes, Republicans moved to the right to oppose Democratic proposals. As Gingrich’s quote suggests, cap and trade didn’t just have Republican support in the 1990s. John McCain included a cap-and-trade plan in his 2008 platform. The same goes for an individual mandate, which Grassley endorsed in June 2009 — mere months before he began calling the policy “unconstitutional.”

This White House has shown a strong preference for policies with demonstrated Republican support, but that’s been obscured by the Republican Party adopting a stance of unified, and occasionally hysterical, opposition (remember “death panels”?) — not to mention a flood of paranoia about the president’s “true” agenda and background. But as entertaining as the reality-TV version of politics might be, it can’t be permitted to, ahem, trump reality itself. If you want to obsess over origins in American politics, look at the president’s policies, not his birth certificate.

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« Reply #192 on: June 02, 2011, 08:11:39 AM »
And as Obama becomes more and more of an old-school Republican, the modern ones become more and more batshit insane.  This is the system we've fostered.  One where blind loyalty and blind opposition are the only things that matter. 
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« Reply #193 on: June 02, 2011, 08:20:12 AM »
And as Obama becomes more and more of an old-school Republican, the modern ones become more and more batshit insane.  This is the system we've fostered.  One where blind loyalty and blind opposition are the only things that matter. 
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« Reply #194 on: June 03, 2011, 08:59:05 AM »
Id argue that Obama is a complete radical, Cloward Piven, and is so far from GWB its not even close

Please read this and we can discuss it ( if everyone can just talk and debate nicely), it has to do with " if you stay poor then you can get out of Obamacare, thats why its not a mandate"... Very scarey taking of ones liberties also. Obamacare has nothing to do with Healthcare. Obama is a radical, and is running a very scary agenda that many who know what he is about are onto..this is why the economy has not and will not recover under his policies and will get worse as he has much in them has not gone into effect yet.. some wont go into effect until he is well out of office

https://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/obama-solicitor-general-if-you-dont-mandate-earn-less-money
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« Reply #195 on: June 03, 2011, 09:02:16 AM »
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« Reply #196 on: June 03, 2011, 09:04:08 AM »
^ my bumper sticker..lol^

just joking..
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« Reply #197 on: June 03, 2011, 09:11:44 AM »
First off, during legal arguments, extreme examples are the norm.  I got a chuckle out of hearing Justice Scallia explain that parole was strictly optional, and if a person didn't like the conditions of parole they had the simple option of staying in prison.  Of course nobody's going to choose prison over random searches, and nobody's going to choose to be poor rather than obtaining insurance, but they're both important with regards to questions of legality.

However, I agree that Obamacare isn't about healthcare.  It's a handout to the insurance companies.  That actually makes it quite puzzling to me why a Republican like yourself should object to it.  However, it does contain several changes that are absolutely necessary and would have been backed by your Republican idols either way.  Actually, the entire thing would have been backed by the GOP if it had been proposed by McCain.  I'd bet good money that McCain's proposal would have been nearly identical, and you'd be defending it while democrats bitched about it being the handout to big insurance that it obviously is.
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« Reply #198 on: June 03, 2011, 09:35:03 AM »
EB,

if McCain roled this out Id be screaming for his impeachment. I liked JM as a man, he is a hero, and as a Repub I thought we came with a moderate with him, and yes I voted form him over Obama ( Id have voted for Putin over Obama lol) but McCain is dissapointing to me on what I am wanting as far as a leader to put the American system back on the track to prosperity. Obamacare is nto a handout to the insurance Cos, its about CONTROL, and the ability to control US , and Control of our ability to get insurance if we do not do what the goverment will insist of us. plus its a economy killer..no doubt( this next line is not mine but perfect).."So there you have it. This is the Obama administration philosophy. Don’t work so hard. Make less money and let other people pick up the tab. That should do wonders for the economy."



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« Reply #199 on: June 03, 2011, 09:52:27 AM »
control? my understanding was that we had the option of getting a public option if we didn't feel like paying for private insurance. how is that control?

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« Reply #200 on: June 03, 2011, 10:05:47 AM »
control? my understanding was that we had the option of getting a public option if we didn't feel like paying for private insurance. how is that control?


Youre employer has no choice, and you, me wont either, and if you are denied by the Gov, who do you go to after that...its called a monopoly, no competition.. and who is paying for it?

what if you dont want health insurance? one is young, healthy, just says I dont want it..you have no choice, you can even be fined or worse( jail?) if you dont pay into the system.

its a mandate..and it could be argued its illegal, hence why Obama is arguing "well if you stay poor and on the goverment hand outs, you can avoid having to buy it"... thats his work around.. very sad..again Cloward Piven ( do you know what that is?)
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« Reply #201 on: June 03, 2011, 10:33:39 AM »
Denied by the government?  Wrong.  The government is outsourcing the operation of risk pools, which the states weren't obligated to provide.  This is vital, and it's something that actually both sides agreed was necessary.

And do you make the same argument about auto liability insurance?  I'm a good driver, so I shouldn't have to insure against damage to other people's property.  The same thing applies with health insurance.  If you're young and healthy, great.  If you drive your car into a tree, then the rest of us will have to pick up the tab anyway.  That's something I never got about this.  Unless you're advocating letting the uninsured die for their lack of coverage, then you're already allowing for healthcare subsidized by the masses. 
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« Reply #202 on: June 03, 2011, 10:38:53 AM »
Denied by the government?  Wrong.  The government is outsourcing the operation of risk pools, which the states weren't obligated to provide.  This is vital, and it's something that actually both sides agreed was necessary.

And do you make the same argument about auto liability insurance?  I'm a good driver, so I shouldn't have to insure against damage to other people's property.  The same thing applies with health insurance.  If you're young and healthy, great.  If you drive your car into a tree, then the rest of us will have to pick up the tab anyway.  That's something I never got about this.  Unless you're advocating letting the uninsured die for their lack of coverage, then you're already allowing for healthcare subsidized by the masses. 


You dont "have to drive" thats a choice...will I have a choice to not pay into Obamacare if I make over say 70,000 a year??


EB,  today you can NOT be denied emergency room coverage period..
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« Reply #203 on: June 03, 2011, 10:43:58 AM »
sorry for the double post , but the screen jumps all over when I quote someone..( tech issue?)


It boils down to its unconstitional for the govement to force us to pay for a service we may not want. you will now have to adhere to the govs policies.. what to eat, if you are warned to lose weight but dont, you cna be denied coverage, stop eating high cholesteral foods.. etc..who is worthy of a transplant.. and yes..Palin was correct beuracrats will control life or death for many

cmon..this is about amnesty also and who will pay for their healthcare of 12 million votes,,its about pandering for votes.. that why its was rammed through in the middle of the night.. no one read it. oh the Obama way.. so transparent.( not).  
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« Reply #204 on: June 03, 2011, 10:56:07 AM »
How to tell if someone is a partisan hack when discussing health care:

Do they call it Obamacare?

If so, they are a partisan hack.
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« Reply #205 on: June 03, 2011, 11:00:31 AM »
How to tell if someone is a partisan hack when discussing health care:

Do they call it Obamacare?

If so, they are a partisan hack.


how to tell if someone doesnt pay taxes?

they refuse to call it Obamacare..
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« Reply #206 on: June 03, 2011, 11:03:01 AM »
How to tell if someone is a partisan hack when discussing health care:

Do they call it Obamacare?

If so, they are a partisan hack.


how to tell if someone doesnt pay taxes?

they refuse to call it Obamacare..

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« Reply #207 on: June 03, 2011, 11:04:32 AM »
How to tell if someone is a partisan hack when discussing health care:

Do they call it Obamacare?

If so, they are a partisan hack.


how to tell if someone doesnt pay taxes?

they refuse to call it Obamacare..

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Re: Obama, the daily thread on policy, and anything Obama
« Reply #208 on: June 03, 2011, 11:47:12 AM »
Believe me when I tell you that just being able to get into an ER means quite little.  It's very easy to die in this country because you can't afford medical care.  And this talk of death panels is the stupidest notion of all.  Does anybody really believe that the folks at Aetna aren't deciding each and every day who gets to live and who doesn't?  Their own insiders will tell you that dropping people and denying treatment was standard practice.  The difference is that they have nothing to concern themselves with except for their bottom line.  You and I are nothing but a number; profit is king.  While I'm not exactly full of confidence in Uncle Sammy's ability to do otherwise, at least there's the pretense that life comes before the dollar sign.  

And I call it Obamacare, and I think we can all agree that I'm not a partisan hack.  

Edit:  And by the way, you have now made the same extreme argument that Obama and Scalia did.  Don't want to pay for insurance, don't drive.  Except that in this country, it'd actually be far, far easier to remain in prison or earn less money than to not drive. 
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Re: Obama, the daily thread on policy, and anything Obama
« Reply #209 on: June 03, 2011, 11:47:47 AM »
How to tell if someone is a partisan hack when discussing health care:

Do they call it Obamacare?

If so, they are a partisan hack.


how to tell if someone doesnt pay taxes?

they refuse to call it Obamacare..
LOL

WOW

So, because I supported his healthcare bill, that must mean I have NO idea about ANYTHING and I don't pay taxes to boot?

You insult everyone's intelligences with a statement like that