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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2011, 06:19:48 PM »
Quote from: KevShmev on April 21, 2011, 12:57:05 PM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II


Pretty much.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2011, 04:24:48 AM »
Quote from: KevShmev on April 21, 2011, 12:57:05 PM
ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOE II
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2011, 08:09:55 AM »
Quote from: Lowdz on April 22, 2011, 04:01:55 PM
I enjoy alot of SC, just not TDEN, CM and Repentance.

I for one have no problems with any of SC. I don't understand why everyone hates it so much..

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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2011, 08:20:40 AM »
Quote from: Aramatheis on April 23, 2011, 08:09:55 AM
Quote from: Lowdz on April 22, 2011, 04:01:55 PM
I enjoy alot of SC, just not TDEN, CM and Repentance.

I for one have no problems with any of SC. I don't understand why everyone hates it so much..

 ???
This.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2011, 09:03:17 AM »
I understand why people might hate Systematic chaos, but I still absolutely love it.  :metal
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2011, 09:04:27 AM »
Everyone doesn't hate SC so much. 
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2011, 09:56:05 AM »
Quote from: KevShmev on April 23, 2011, 09:04:27 AM
Everyone doesn't hate SC so much. 

From the comments about it, one could assume that it isn't very popular
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2011, 01:15:39 PM »
I just don't like TDEN.TMoLS, ITPOE and Forsaken are my favourites.Others from SC are just good
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2011, 01:34:47 PM »
Quote from: Aramatheis on April 23, 2011, 09:56:05 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on April 23, 2011, 09:04:27 AM
Everyone doesn't hate SC so much. 

From the comments about it, one could assume that it isn't very popular
The comments about it are read on the internet. Not even half of DT's fanbase lives and comments on the internet. I've heard lots of people (new fans, to be more specific) praise the album and think it's one amazing metal album.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2011, 03:04:56 PM »
Quote from: DarkLord_Lalinc on April 23, 2011, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: Aramatheis on April 23, 2011, 09:56:05 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on April 23, 2011, 09:04:27 AM
Everyone doesn't hate SC so much. 

From the comments about it, one could assume that it isn't very popular
The comments about it are read on the internet. Not even half of DT's fanbase lives and comments on the internet. I've heard lots of people (new fans, to be more specific) praise the album and think it's one amazing metal album.

Well I'm glad to hear it. thank you
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2011, 03:36:54 PM »
Comparing the best and worst song on the album.

In the Presence of Enemies by miles.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2011, 05:01:15 PM »
TMOLS is one of DT's worst songs. It's up there with You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, WDADU, and about 1/4 of SFAM.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2011, 05:02:39 PM »
Quote from: Jamesman on April 23, 2011, 05:01:15 PM
TMOLS is one of DT's worst songs. It's up there with You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, WDADU, and about 1/4 of SFAM.

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I personally wouldn't class it alongside Just Let Me Breathe etc. Burning My Soul, yes. But it's no where near as bad as You Not Me, I'd rank it mid-to-low :)
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2011, 05:02:53 PM »
Best be trollin.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2011, 12:12:50 AM »
ItPoE p1 > TMoLS > ItPoE p2

however,

TMoLS > ItPoE
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2011, 12:06:24 PM »
Quote from: Jamesman on April 23, 2011, 05:01:15 PM
TMOLS is one of DT's worst songs. It's up there with You Not Me, Burning My Soul, Just Let Me Breathe, WDADU, and about 1/4 of SFAM.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2011, 01:50:23 PM »
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Best be trollin.

He isn't. That's the way my man rolls.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2011, 02:09:22 PM »
In the Presence of Enemies is my 25th favourite Dream Theater song. The Ministry of Lost Souls is my 45th favourite Dream Theater song.

So, In the Presence of Enemies.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2011, 03:14:43 PM »
So much hate for such an intricate and beautiful song  :sadpanda:

TMOLS made me fall in love with Dream Theater, its just so full of emotion and incredible melodies.
The acoustic bit at the beginning is just hypnotising
The vocal performance is fantastic
The transition from soft to heavy is powerful
The unison  :heart
The final solo  :heart :heart
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2011, 06:23:55 PM »
Quote from: Nick on April 23, 2011, 03:36:54 PM
Comparing the best and worst song on the album.

In the Presence of Enemies by miles.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2011, 08:35:05 PM »
Quote from: FretMuppet on April 24, 2011, 03:14:43 PM
So much hate for such an intricate and beautiful song  :sadpanda:

TMOLS made me fall in love with Dream Theater, its just so full of emotion and incredible melodies.
The acoustic bit at the beginning is just hypnotising
The vocal performance is fantastic
The transition from soft to heavy is powerful
The unison  :heart
The final solo  :heart :heart
Yeah this song is incredible, its right up their with the heavyweights for me.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2011, 10:08:49 PM »
TMOLS for me. The Reckoning just drags ITPOE down.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2011, 04:01:09 PM »
ITPOE 1 is good, TMOLS is alright, ITPOE 2 is awful. Not sure what to vote for :-\
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2011, 04:03:13 PM »
I always throught ITPOE part 1 was the only decent song on the album.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2011, 06:22:37 PM »
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2011, 06:35:23 PM »
ITPOE is pure  :metal
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2011, 06:47:29 PM »
Neither are amongst my favorites, but it's kinda like this way:

ITPOE I > TMOLS > ITPOEII

ITPOE I is promising and just great, TMOLS has nice intentions but the composition is just clunky IMO, and ITPOEII is just not the stuff I want to hear from DT, it probably is my least listened to DT track. I almost can't believe part 1 and 2 were supposed to be together. The reprise of JP's guitar theme from part 1, in part 2, just sounds unnatural to me.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #64 on: April 28, 2011, 02:10:11 AM »
I originally liked TMOLS better, but I've grown towards more ITPOE, so ITPOE!
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #66 on: May 02, 2011, 01:57:44 AM »
Quote from: LieLowTheWantedMan on April 23, 2011, 08:20:40 AM
Quote from: Aramatheis on April 23, 2011, 08:09:55 AM
Quote from: Lowdz on April 22, 2011, 04:01:55 PM
I enjoy alot of SC, just not TDEN, CM and Repentance.

I for one have no problems with any of SC. I don't understand why everyone hates it so much..

 ???
This.
I'd give SC something like 6/10. ITPOE pt 1 is the only really good thing on the album.
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #67 on: May 02, 2011, 02:11:15 AM »
I did my little 2011 ratings thingo today and being the nerd that I am ran some descriptive statistics on my ratings.

SC wasn't the worst album on an average basis, but when I ranked them taking into account the deviation in my ratings of individual songs it finished a distant last (behind even WDADU which has never clicked for me).

The problem that, in my opionion, it has is its got a couple of gems, many mediocre DT songs (but still awesome songs) and a couple of howlers (that are still great/greatish songs).
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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #68 on: May 02, 2011, 08:21:03 AM »
I've had to say TMOLS purely because...I don't know actually, I guess it just clicks a little bit more than, ITPOE. Both, in my opinion are great songs, but overall the story behind TMOLS grabs me more, it seems a lot more emotional.

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Re: The Ministry of Lost Souls vs. In The Presence of Enemies
« Reply #69 on: May 02, 2011, 08:25:56 AM »
The Ministry of Lost Souls was one of the few things I liked about Systematic Chaos.  It was a great song.  What do people have against it?
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