An Exclusive Look into The Band’s Search for a New Drummer

[Nosirp Ssalg]

I didn't think Roddy came off poorly in the video. He's clearly super talented, just wasn't the best for the job.

Well, to each their own. I definitely came away from the video thinking "holy shit, Derek totally bungled that audition", and I assume I am not the only one who had that impression. And that alone should give Roddy cause for concern.

rumborak

I'm sure DT wouldn't have asked Derek to audition if they didn't think he's got proven record. Frank must have plenty of contacts to do background check for this kind of stuff and, I'm sure Derek's ability is not the reason he didn't get the job.

And, he's got great personality and very easy to get along with, so, on a personal level there shouldn't be any clashes either.

But I think the reason Derek didn't get the job is difference in the "musical chemistry" and his attitude about not expecting any changes in his life if he were to given the drummer's stool in DT.

Rumborak, I agree with you that after seeing part II, I also thought Derek has no chance. I noticed him admitting plainly that he didn't really prepare thoroughly to be able to play the songs(something along the line) and it might have contributed to his playing during the audition. Also, I noticed that after the audition, the band's reaction was a little less enthusiastic compared to MM and MM's.  

[gmillerdrake]

So this thread is moving way fast. But can someone give me a description on how this is going over on the MP forums? I know when the whole thing was going down there was some serious issues over there. Are they even allowed to discuss the videos?

As mentioned, there is an official thread at MP.com that is monitored pretty closely.  I haven't been following it, so I can't tell you much more than that.  

I've been participating in that sanctioned thread more than here and I can't say it's more 'tense' but there is definately a different 'vibe' than here. Every couple pages or so someone makes sure to remind MP that they (we) luv him and thank him for not locking that thread. I can't imagine he'd even read it...that'd be tough. We will see how it goes once the drummer is finally announced, that's when the fun should begin.

[robwebster]

So this thread is moving way fast. But can someone give me a description on how this is going over on the MP forums? I know when the whole thing was going down there was some serious issues over there. Are they even allowed to discuss the videos?

As mentioned, there is an official thread at MP.com that is monitored pretty closely.  I haven't been following it, so I can't tell you much more than that. 

I've been participating in that sanctioned thread more than here and I can't say it's more 'tense' but there is definately a different 'vibe' than here. Every couple pages or so someone makes sure to remind MP that they (we) luv him and thank him for not locking that thread. I can't imagine he'd even read it...that'd be tough. We will see how it goes once the drummer is finally announced, that's when the fun should begin.

MP.com does have quite a repressed atmosphere in general, mind. I never get the impression that everyone's speaking quite as freely as they'd like to.

Not a criticism. Just an observation. It's a popular board and it's hard for (effectively) one man to run a ship so tightly - much respect for Weymolith. Both cool sites, but I must say that I do tend to "vote with my feet."

[bosk1]

...I must say that I do tend to "vote with my feet."

That explains why it often smells of cheese and fish when you are posting.

[robwebster]

...I must say that I do tend to "vote with my feet."

That explains why it often smells of cheese and fish when you are posting.

The fish wasn't me, but I am never going near your feet.

[IdoSC]

Argh, I keep watching Mangini's audition. The things he said were so...awesome and classy. Plus the incredible drumming doesn't make it worse either.

[RoeDent]

I'd just like to wish the admin/mod team of DTF all the best for the potential storm that will come tomorrow. 

[bosk1]

And...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?

[7StringedBeast]

And...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?

After tomorrow, the forum will never be open again.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

And...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?

After tomorrow, the forum will never be open again.

Kevin Moore is the new drummer?

[EdenHazard]

Jooookes haaave cooome full-cir-cle!

[King Postwhore]

...I must say that I do tend to "vote with my feet."

That explains why it often smells of cheese and fish when you are posting.

The fish wasn't me, but I am never going near your feet.

So bosk is the guy that mashes clams for Clamato.  

[IdoSC]

And...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?

After tomorrow, the forum will never be open again.

LOOOOL

Best use I've seen of a KM joke since I've joined this forum.

[RoeDent]

And...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?

Closed for the Bank Holiday, is it? 

[icarus4321]

And...why do you think the forum will be open tomorrow?

Closed for the Bank Holiday, is it? 

Yeah, Arbor Day is a pretty big deal around here...

[Lowdz]

Phew... mammoth reading session to catch up.

Having watched the videos over and over I still want Lang in DT but I'm as sure as everyone else that it's Mangini. i just loved Lang's style and sound.
Watching Mangini's audition I thought Steve Moore was auditioning. I will be happy enough with him in DT after seeing the video, he's turned it round for me. Loved him counting out the time and then letting rip. i hope he is able to come up with more original parts than I heard on JLB's EoP.

[bosk1]

Phew... mammoth reading session to catch up.

 Yeah.  But you can always start with the summary thread for finding out the official information.  I've been updating it as fast as we get info., and it's much better organized now.

[scoutmasterdave]

i hope he is able to come up with more original parts than I heard on JLB's EoP.

This is precisely my concern with Mangini, whom I've been following since I saw him on the G3 tour with Steve Vai in 1996.  He can play absolutely anything, but I have not found his original material to be particularly creative.  I think he's definitely the right guy to play existing DT tunes (mixing in tasty additions here and there), but I'm concerned about his compositional creativity when it comes time to write a new album.  Of course, he has nearly always been a hired gun, so contributing to the composition process has probably not been his role.  I'm still pulling for Minnemann because he is SO creative, but I will be very happy with Mangini and am certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[skydivingninja]

That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini.  Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him.  If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album.  I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.

[chrisbDTM]

That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini.  Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him.  If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album.  I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.

my thoughts from the beginning, but i will reserve judgment on the new DT drummer til i hear the album

[Super Dude]

That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini.  Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him.  If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album.  I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.

my thoughts from the beginning, but i will reserve judgment on the new DT drummer til i hear the album

This, and also who knows if he wrote parts for this next one at all?  How do we know he didn't come to find the drum parts written for the new album?  And I'm sure the guys write drum parts sometimes.

[Ħ]

I'm going to be nervous checking the forum tomorrow.  I want to get a quick link to part 3, but I don't want to spoil myself by looking at any other posts or thread titles. =/

[King Postwhore]

That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini.  Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him.  If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album.  I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.

Matt, if you heard the difference between the original drummer for Extreme and the 3 songs Mangini played on Waiting For The Punchline. you'd see he's very creative.  I'm not saying Paul Geary wasn't a good drummer, but the creativity of Mangini was great for the songs.

[chrisbDTM]

I'm going to be nervous checking the forum tomorrow.  I want to get a quick link to part 3, but I don't want to spoil myself by looking at any other posts or thread titles. =/

doubt you are gonna find a link and not get spoiled. better off going straight to the RR youtube page

[Adami]

I'm going to be nervous checking the forum tomorrow.  I want to get a quick link to part 3, but I don't want to spoil myself by looking at any other posts or thread titles. =/

Just go to youtube and find it there first.

[TAC]

Phew... mammoth reading session to catch up.

 Yeah.  But you can always start with the summary thread for finding out the official information.  I've been updating it as fast as we get info., and it's much better organized now.

Bosk, that thread has been helpful. I've been at work and have not been able to participate in the thread here, but I've been trying to read as much as possible.

That lack of compositional creativity is something I've always been worried about with Mangini.  Its the main reason I haven't been pulling for him.  If he gets along great with the guys, then cool, hopefully he can really step it up on the new album.  I know he can play the stuff, but so can Marco, and Marco's a heckuvalot more creative.

Matt, if you heard the difference between the original drummer for Extreme and the 3 songs Mangini played on Waiting For The Punchline. you'd see he's very creative.  I'm not saying Paul Geary wasn't a good drummer, but the creativity of Mangini was great for the songs.

King, I'm not familiar with that album at all. Which were the 3 tracks MM played on?

[King Postwhore]

He played drums on "Hip Today", "Leave Me Alone" and "No Respect".

[bosk1]

Phew... mammoth reading session to catch up.

 Yeah.  But you can always start with the summary thread for finding out the official information.  I've been updating it as fast as we get info., and it's much better organized now.

Bosk, that thread has been helpful. I've been at work and have not been able to participate in the thread here, but I've been trying to read as much as possible.

Cool.  Not to pat myslef on the back, but I'm pretty proud of it, actually.  I wish there were more "one-stop" threads that were that well organized for important stuff like this.  Glad you find it helpful.

[Demolition]

I was watching the video's again and wondered who the guy is that sits in on the interviews with the drummer's.  He has longer gray hair and a beard.

[cyberdrummer]

Frank Solomon, DT's manager.

[Funkafonik]

Matt, if you heard the difference between the original drummer for Extreme and the 3 songs Mangini played on Waiting For The Punchline. you'd see he's very creative.  I'm not saying Paul Geary wasn't a good drummer, but the creativity of Mangini was great for the songs.

+1
That album is in fact the only recorded work where you can hear Mangini's creativity. Other work where he kinda had creative influence would be in Gary Cherone's Tribe of Judah, where he played on some songs on the album, and on tour. I have a few bootlegs and he was simply amazing! I've always wondered why Steve Vai didn't wanna create with him in the studio, ah well, his loss! I'm so psyched to finally hear what Mangini can do in a band like DT!

[dongringo]

Here's another one of his posts that was quite revealing;

"The whole thing with all us guys audition footage is....you're seeing 5 minutes (of what some editor thinks.... is creating "drama" for reality TV)
If you notice.....all of the drummers with the exception of Mike was presented as if they had a "flaw" in their playing.....and that certainly wasn't the case.
What you didn't see are the 2 hours and 55 minutes of kick ass jams, tunes played exact, etc......each drummer had.

Another thing that needs to be considered in my case is.....
I auditioned for DT because I was asked.......not because I wanted to be the new DT drummer.
Too much commitment for me to stop what I have going on in my life.

I have a snake collection (over 100 animals) that has generated more income than DT would be able to pay me. For me to stop that.......would take a lot.

This drum thing is fun and all but, it doesn't make up even half of my yearly income.
For me to consider that gig....meant I had to move out of a really big passion (and security) to do something......I've done already (touring) and am doing still through education and my own projects.

One of the questioned asked by RR was "how would getting this gig change your life"

My answer was....."I'm not looking to change my life."
That was a big shock to everyone listening! Haha.

Cheers,
D"

So he just wasted DT's time. He auditioned basically just so he could say he did it?  Real cool! I lost all respect for this guy.

[zebolasha]

have you seen this interview before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-jF9zkYZY

It's not about DT
though I don't want this guy to be the new drummer really
He is so weird!

[Aniland]

To turn up the level of cheese...

Does anyone think the last video will end with footage of the full version audition of The Spirit Carries On with the new drummer?

This would explain why Mangini wasn't shown playing that song in his footage thus far. OH MY GOD YOU CRACKED THE CASE. Jenkins, take a lesson from this chap.

[robwebster]

have you seen this interview before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-jF9zkYZY

It's not about DT
though I don't want this guy to be the new drummer really
He is so weird!

I think he's pretending to be Italian. And not a native English speaker. I'm not sure why.

Or more likely, he's got an Italian interviewer and so he's lapsing into Italian speech patterns and rhythms.